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[Bob]

The cat is out of the bag, now. Do not under estimate the power of grassroot id...s who have been brainwashed since there were kids in the religious boarding schools. As soon as this practice still exist there will not be significant change. A little background about these boarding schools, they are typical the children who fail to enter or to compete the favourable state (or to some extents privately funded) schools. That ended up in boarding schools mainly because they are not smart enough to compete. In the religious boarding schools, they do not mingle with other communities, religions, to embrace diversity away from reality and therefore could easily be brainwashed.

it is the same with co-habitation law, when it is was still under consideration a lot of people were saying Indonesia is moderate and rational. Boom approves unanimously.
These types of people could easily be motivated by hatreds. A small amount of pocket money and lunch will do. The political party will need support from the voters like this to maintain their existence.

How does a kid fail to get into a government SD, SMP, or SMA?

 

[snpark]

How does a kid fail to get into a government SD, SMP, or SMA?

Maybe they get expelled or just don't go or aren't registered or street kids etc
If you are homeless and hungry and someone offers to feed you and give you a bed in exchange you say "rumplestiltskin has skills" 5 times a day, you would

 

[Helpful Herbert]

How does a kid fail to get into a government SD, SMP, or SMA?

Well that's an easy one. It is when they do not have enough money to get into the state system that they end up in the religious boarding school system. It has happened in my own extended family. You might say, isn't the state system free? Well it is free in terms of no official fees for tuition, but there are lots of other things that parents have to pay for (one that springs to mind is all the different uniforms they have to wear, sometimes a different one every day). So there are loads of kids whose families cannot afford it, and the religious schools are subsidised to a much greater extent by the ministry, Saudi donors, etc. and pretty much completely free (the "price" being the religious indoctrination). A similar thing used to happen 50 years ago with Catholic schools in places like Ireland and Australia.

 

[fastpitch17]

How does a kid fail to get into a government SD, SMP, or SMA?

Mainly financial reasons since the free Indonesian public school system is far from free for the limited income parents. Poor grades in SM system can also lead a parent to send their child to an Islamic private school since they are cheaper but most of the ones chosen are not boarding schools. Their curriculum is simpler and most teachers are not as qualified as the public system is. Then there are the parents who only want their children to be basically raised and educated in a closed Islamic boarding school for whatever reason of which I may never understand. The teachers in these will be the owner and then could be anyone they can get to agree to do it. While I understand that there are a few very good Islamic boarding schools scattered throughout Indonesia, they are the ecceptions.

For many with financial issues, many children are denied education by their parents past SMP or in some cases even earlier. Boys are normally put to work of some kind and the girls await parents choices for their future hubands or are put into some type of domestic servatude until the future husband is found. Some girls just run away. Parents seem to care only that they have one less mouth to feed.

 

[fastpitch17]

If one wanted to break down the national education budget you would find the religious based schools get more money than the public school. By religious based I can not include any religion besides the majority one. I have always found this to be rediculas.

The entire education budget should go to the state sponsored public education system with over site of finances. Religious based schools should be tuition or privately funded. Catholic schools do very well and are tuition based. Many Muslim students attend for the reasons of better organization and education. If the education budget went to public education it could improve the teacher corps, offer better learning opportunities, and keep the buildings up.

These religious schools would need to collect from parents in the form of tuitions and could gather public funding. It would be good if the Mosque started donating towards them instead of always trying to make their property more prettier.

The thing is. It will never change. Public school principals will continue to collect hundreds of juta with all new students every year with no transparancy. Private Islamic schools will continue to collect gov money and whatever they can from students and spend as little as posdible. They are all for profit businesses. School administrative personnel at public schools benefit. Owners of private and boarding schools benefit. The kids no matter what, lose. The government talks of constantly improving infrastructure. The children are the infrastructure that should be built.

 

[pantaiema]

How does a kid fail to get into a government SD, SMP, or SMA?

You have got a good explanation, from the previous postings. People might be thinking state owned Junior High School, and Senior High Schools are totally free well not really.

The tuition fee, e.g regular monthly payment (e.g SPP) should be free for State Owned School and to some extents the Schools who get Operational Funding (BOS) from the State but this is not what happen in reality. There is still fees although this is significantly lower than privately funded schools. The schools teachers in Indonesia are poorly paid so the head teachers must be creative to generate a small extra income for their teachers welfare.

Also, SPP is not the only fees that need to be paid.
Other Fees that still need to be paid by the parent:
Development fund (SSP/BPP) this is one off payment. These could be a few millions depending on the parents income and status.

Other small fees that still need to be paid annually:
Registration and re-registration Fees
School uniform. They need to buy it from the school
Books, Laptop, Internet.

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Also, in the previous post I was referring more to favourable, a selective state funded schools. To get entry to the schools such as SMAN 8, Jakarta are very competitive.
There are also Private schools such as Catholic High School St Louis, East Java, Kanisius Jakarta. To enter such schools the kids will need to have both wealthy parents and Intelligent above average of Indonesian school kids.

Those who graduate from these favourable, selective schools are more likely to pass the entrance examination to enter the most prestigious state universities in Indonesia. Keep in mind to enter the most prestigious state universities using the subsidised routes (not the non subsidised route) in Indonesia is extremely competitive.
Below is an example of medical school at the University of Indonesia (UI). It is only about 2.9% of the test takers pass the test to get accepted in the subsidised route. It is quite similar level of competitiveness to enter IIT in India, or Beijing, Tsinghua university in China.

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Also do not forget that religious boarding school although not the main stream schools they get heavily funded, subsidised by the government and private interests. Otherwise how do you think they could survive if the pupils are mainly come from disadvantage families. Does the clerics managing the school have money?? The fact those who are entering those schools are mainly from disadvantage families, might have a light disability, such as mild retardation neither fit to the main stream schools nor the disabled schools. I need to clarify here I am using disadvantage and disability which is god given and people inherited from births not meant to criticise.

 

[Pak Tani]

If one wanted to break down the national education budget you would find the religious based schools get more money than the public school.

Do you have a link for that? And are these all the religious schools or only the ones (pondok pesantren) that teach the national curriculum and where the students follow the ujian nasional and get regular diploma's?

 

[fastpitch17]

Do you have a link for that? And are these all the religious schools or only the ones (pondok pesantren) that teach the national curriculum and where the students follow the ujian nasional and get regular diploma's?

The national budget gets published every year when in comes out. Are there pesantren that teach the national curriculum?

 

[Pak Tani]

The national budget gets published every year when in comes out.

Cool. What's the breakdown of the educational budget you talk about in post #165

Are there pesantren that teach the national curriculum?

Glad you asked:
"Dengan adanya aturan ini, pesantren akan resmi menjadi lembaga pendidikan formil yang diakui ijazahnya, sebagaimana jenjang pendidikan umum. Hal ini tentunya akan menimbulkan konsekuensi berupa penyiapan sumber daya, pembiayaan, dan lain-lain."

The fact those who are entering those schools are mainly from disadvantage families, might have a light disability, such as mild retardation neither fit to the main stream schools...

Is that a fact indeed?
Here you have your 'mildly retarded, disadvantaged' competing on international levels.

 

[Bob]

You have got a good explanation, from the previous postings. People might be thinking state owned Junior High School, and Senior High Schools are totally free well not really.

The tuition fee, e.g regular monthly payment (e.g SPP) should be free for State Owned School and to some extents the Schools who get Operational Funding (BOS) from the State but this is not what happen in reality. There is still fees although this is significantly lower than privately funded schools. The schools teachers in Indonesia are poorly paid so the head teachers must be creative to generate a small extra income for their teachers welfare.

Also, SPP is not the only fees that need to be paid.
Other Fees that still need to be paid by the parent:
Development fund (SSP/BPP) this is one off payment. These could be a few millions depending on the parents income and status.

Other small fees that still need to be paid annually:
Registration and re-registration Fees
School uniform. They need to buy it from the school
Books, Laptop, Internet.

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Note: You could use google translate to translate it into English
Also, in the previous post I was referring more to favourable, a selective state funded schools. To get entry to the schools such as SMAN 8, Jakarta are very competitive.
There are also Private schools such as Catholic High School St Louis, East Java, Kanisius Jakarta. To enter such schools the kids will need to have both wealthy parents and Intelligent above average of Indonesian school kids.

Those who graduate from these favourable, selective schools are more likely to pass the entrance examination to enter the most prestigious state universities in Indonesia. Keep in mind to enter the most prestigious state universities using the subsidised routes (not the non subsidised route) in Indonesia is extremely competitive.
Below is an example of medical school at the University of Indonesia (UI). It is only about 2.9% of the test takers pass the test to get accepted in the subsidised route. It is quite similar level of competitiveness to enter IIT in India, or Beijing, Tsinghua university in China.

Program Sarjana (S1) - SIMAK UI

simak.ui.ac.id

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Also do not forget that religious boarding school although not the main stream schools they get heavily funded, subsidised by the government and private interests. Otherwise how do you think they could survive if the pupils are mainly come from disadvantage families. Does the clerics managing the school have money?? The fact those who are entering those schools are mainly from disadvantage families, might have a light disability, such as mild retardation neither fit to the main stream schools nor the disabled schools. I need to clarify here I am using disadvantage and disability which is god given and people inherited from births not meant to criticise.

So more 'can't afford' rather than 'fail to get into', got it. 'Fail to get into' indicates denial of admission, like one who applies and is rejected.

 

[pantaiema]

Is that a fact indeed?

Here you have your 'mildly retarded, disadvantaged' competing on international levels.

Depend what you mean with fact, post#163 above is one example from extended family. I personally know a few people who send their children with mild disability and come from disadvantage family to boarding schools.
You will not find a lot of publications about boarding school in Indonesia for obvious reasons, not many funding for research for this is available, they will not get access to collect the data, and for political reason they might end up like Ahok.
Who are going to send their children to the schools to be radicalised, to have a narrow minded views (as they do not mingle) if they have a better alternative. People might want to study the background of convicted terrorists in Indonesia, where did they initially learn to have a radical view, thinking that blowing people with bomb is justifiable.

Indonesian terrorists 'infiltrating Islamic schools' - UCA News

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"At least 198 Islamic boarding schools have ties to terrorist networks, according to Indonesia’s National Counterterrorism Agency"
The sensible parents will not send their children to be radicalised, brainwashed by for instance extreme clerics such as ABB, RS, etc.
Like anything in life, there is always be exception rather than the rule. The example you mention in the previous post regarding one student from a boarding school is only one student and he comes from one of the best boarding schools in Indonesia.
How many of these pupils from boarding schools have ended up study Medicine, Engineering in the most prestigious universities in Indonesia. Compare them with the number of pupils from other favourable, selective SMAN. Many of these pupils graduated from boarding school if they get excepted not because they could compete nationally in the entrance examination but because they have a special route for political reasons.

So more 'can't afford' rather than 'fail to get into', got it. 'Fail to get into' indicates denial of admission, like one who applies and is rejected.

Not get accepted based on their merits, financial circumstances (to some extents) is where most (if not all) admission based on. It is where most of prestigious schools, universities all around the world have been using to select the best candidates.

 

[Bob]

Depend what you mean with fact, post#163 above is one example from extended family. I personally know a few people who send their children to boarding with mild disability and disadvantage family.
You will not find a lot of publications about boarding school in Indonesia for obvious reason, not many funding, they will not get access, and for political reason they might end up like Ahok.
Who are going to send their children to the school like this if they have a better alternative. You might want to study the background of convected terrorist in Indonesia, where do they study.

Indonesian terrorists 'infiltrating Islamic schools' - UCA News

At least 198 Islamic boarding schools have ties to terrorist networks, counterterrorism chief says

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"At least 198 Islamic boarding schools have ties to terrorist networks, according to Indonesia’s National Counterterrorism Agency"
Like anything in life, there is always be exception rather than the rule. And you are giving example of one of the best among boarding schools.
How many of these pupils from boarding school end up study medicine, Engineering in the most prestigious universities in Indonesia. Compare them with the number of pupils from other favourable, selective SMAN. Many of the if they get excepted are using the special route, political reason, not by competing nationally in the entrance examination.

Not get accepted based on their merits, financial circumstances (to some extents) is where most (if not all) admission is based on. It is where most of prestigious schools, universities all around the world have been using to select the best candidates.

It seems that you saying that most prestigious universities base their admissions on ability to pay, correct? If so, that's not the case. But we're not discussing Oxford, Cal, NUS, and the like; we're discussing government schools in Indonesia. My point was that 'unable to afford' is not the same as 'denied admission', which is what 'fail to get into' implies.

 

[pantaiema]

It seems that you saying that most prestigious universities base their admissions on ability to pay, correct? If so, that's not the case. But we're not discussing Oxford, Cal, NUS, and the like; we're discussing government schools in Indonesia. My point was that 'unable to afford' is not the same as 'denied admission', which is what 'fail to get into' implies.

Prestigious state universities in Indonesia still have limited place for heavily subsidised route until today but the number of these places keep decreasing. If these boarding schools could produce similar quality of output like other favourite, selective high schools, they must be able to compete on the same level playing field for these limited places.
In the past there was only subsidised route exist so the students compete solely based on their abilities, merits.
There is already discussion about this in this thread.

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[jstar]

The new Indonesian Minister of Youth and Sports says he will do everything possible to secure the organization of the World Beach Games in Bali. There are concerns that the governor of the island will oppose Israeli participation in the multi-sport event.

Ario Bimo Nandito Ariotedjo was sworn in as the new Minister of Youth and Sports by President Jokowi last Monday. Ariotedjo says he shares the opinion as Jokowi, namely that politics and sports should be kept separate.

Minister Ariotedjo does not want the World Beach Games, which will take place in Bali from 5 to 12 August this year, to suffer the same fate as the U20. Israeli athletes also participate in this multi-sport event.

So far, Governor Koster has not made himself heard. The new minister of sports would rather not wait for that. He says he will talk to all stakeholders as soon as possible to ensure that the World Beach Games in Bali continue according to plan.

 

[jstar]

Minister Ariotedjo is a busy bee who has a full agenda. The SEA Games are just around the corner. These Games, which are rather important in Southeast Asia, will take place in Cambodia from 5 to 17 May. And then there are the Asian Games that take place in China four months later.

The minister has been instructed by President Jokowi to prepare the Indonesian teams efficiently in the run-up to these Games. Priority must be given to sports with Indonesian medal potential.

Ariotedjo replaces Zainudin Amali as Minister of Youth and Sports. Amali exchanged his ministerial post for the position of vice president of the Indonesian football association PSSI. Perhaps that’s even reaching . At 32, Ariotedjo is currently the youngest minister in Jokowi's cabinet.

 

[ChrisTex]

Priority must be given to sports with Indonesian medal potential.

In many ways, this is where Indonesia fails and being left behind. Not just in sports, but in general. By only focusing on what they think they are good at, there are plenty of missed opprotunities to improve and be good in other areas.

Another example Great soccer nation, we are not seems to blame the government, but when in reality, there is plenty blame to go around including those who run the different fields.. GBK alone charges outrageous prices, but majority of the time, fields are empty. They have even increased prices. In some places where there are fields for sports, they look like shit as they aren't being taken care of. Instead of grass, you have dirt, rocks, and who knows what else.

While the article does make a fair statement about not being short on talent(not just in soccer), Indonesia is short on developing that talent.

 

[snpark]

Hold my non alcoholic beer.

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[gemima]

Hold my non alcoholic beer.

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FFS this is ridiculous now.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Seems to be retarded.

 

[ChrisTex]

Seems to be retarded.