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[ChrisTex]

Bali Governor Wayan Koster also says no to Israeli athletes at World Beach Games | Coconuts

Bali Governor Wayan Koster reaffirmed his position of rejecting Israeli athletes from entering the island ahead of the 2023 World Beach Games (official name: 2023 ANOC World Beach Games), which are scheduled to be held in Bali from Aug 5-12.

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This s is why we can't have nice things.

 

[snpark]

Seems to be retarded.

Soon to be retired

 

[fastpitch17]

This didn't seem to work.
Wonder if this is anothed event to be taken away?

Sports Minister: 'Communication Is Key' for Israel's World Beach Games Participation

Sports Minister Dito Ariotedjo will put forth communication to overcome hurdles to Israel's participation in the Bali World Beach Games.

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[pantaiema]

This s is why we can't have nice things.

Bali will need to show its assets to the world. I think many people like to see the game played in ANOC World Beach Games. Is watching beach volleyball not a nice things. Let alone you could watch fit, tall athletes are playing and to watch for free. Who do not like to watch the fit, tall athletes like Zara Dampney, Marketa Slukova, Jennifer Kessy, etc playing beach volley ball in Bali with all of the designer outfits. This is the image from Zara Dampney for instance waiting the ball to come back. Look at that flat tummy.

British Beach Volleyball with Zara Dampney

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I fail to understand, what not to like. I think it is more attractive than watching anorexia models in designer fashion show in New York, Paris, London, Milan, Tokyo.
This is what happen if politics and sport get mixed up. In Indonesia it is probably much more to do with religious extremism. You might miss something nice in your life.

 

[snpark]

Bali will need to show its assets to the world. I think many people like to see the game played in ANOC World Beach Games. Is watching beach volleyball not a nice things. Let alone you could watch fit, tall athletes are playing and to watch for free. I fail to understand, what not to like.

Well it's not going to be in Bali now is it? I think you missing the point

 

[pantaiema]

Well it's not going to be in Bali now is it? I think you missing the point

Well I am already aware about that right from the beginning ...

 

[ChrisTex]

Bali will need to show its assets to the world. I think many people like to see the game played in ANOC World Beach Games. Is watching beach volleyball not a nice things. Let alone you could watch fit, tall athletes are playing and to watch for free. Who do not like to watch the fit, tall athletes like Zara Dampney, Marketa Slukova, Jennifer Kessy, etc playing beach volley ball in Bali with all of the designer outfits. This is the image from Zara Dampney for instance waiting the ball to come back.

British Beach Volleyball with Zara Dampney

www.redeye.org.uk

I fail to understand, what not to like. I think it is more attractive than watching anorexia models in designer fashion show in New York, Paris, London, Milan, Tokyo.
This is what happen if politics and sport get mixed up. In Indonesia it is probably much more to do with religious extremism. You might miss something nice in your life.

You completely missed the point. It isn't about not liking or wanting to watch the Beach Games. It is about the Bali governor who ran his mouth about Israel in the U20 World Cup. Indonesia loses the hosting rights. Now he is doing the same thing with the World Beach Games which is going to cause even more eyebrows to raised and I wouldn't be surprised if Bali lost those hosting rights.

Due to this, people are going to miss out enjoying these events because Indonesia is allowing politicians to act completely stupid and not take respopnsibility. I have seen a few youth tournaments(Dallas Cup) and a U20 Olympic games(Spain vs Japan) where some of those players had or are now playing in some of the top leagues in Europe. Imagine if you could have seen a player that turned out to be the next Pele, Maradona, Cristinao Ronaldo, Messi, Dennis Bergkamp, etc..., but you didn't because of a politician taking away that enjoyment.

Different organizations are going to think twice about Indonesia hosting things. Hence we can't have nice things.

 

[snpark]

And also now all those Indonesian athletes will be banned from competing in the beach games at the new venue
More sports sanctions for Indonesia etc
Soon blue chip companies will start to pull out
Then it ends up not just McDonald's and Coke and Schweppes but BMW Tesla 3M and so on

If Kanye West was a country.

 

[pantaiema]

You completely missed the point. It isn't about not liking or wanting to watch the Beach Games. It is about the Bali governor who ran his mouth about Israel in the U20 World Cup. Indonesia loses the hosting rights. Now he is doing the same thing with the World Beach Games which is going to cause even more eyebrows to raised and I wouldn't be surprised if Bali lost those hosting rights.

Due to this, people are going to miss out enjoying these events because Indonesia is allowing politicians to act completely stupid and not take respopnsibility. I have seen a few youth tournaments(Dallas Cup) and a U20 Olympic games(Spain vs Japan) where some of those players had or are now playing in some of the top leagues in Europe. Imagine if you could have seen a player that turned out to be the next Pele, Maradona, Cristinao Ronaldo, Messi, Dennis Bergkamp, etc..., but you didn't because of a politician taking away that enjoyment.

Different organizations are going to think twice about Indonesia hosting things. Hence we can't have nice things.

What point am I missing, I already now that like U20, ANOC World Beach Game will have the same fate.
Naming Indonesian football players to become Pele, Maradona, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi is insensible?? Dream on ... I will bet my bottom dollar if it ever happens at least for a few generations to come.

How much money have been spent on Football ??
The ANOC World Beach Game, U-20 will be more to do with promoting tourism in Bali rather than sport aspiration for the young generation to become a superstar. Let alone a superstar in Beach Sport and in football, the weakest points in sport for Indonesia. Aspiration is totally different with reality.

The well known theory of Comparative advantage from David Ricardo focus on what you are good at the lowest opportunity costs.

Focus more on for instance, Badminton, Archery, Weightlifter, Mixed Martial Art where Indonesia is good at, or at least have potential.

That is the way the funding in sport in GB has been managed and just see the result in the few latest Olympic games. Despite the relatively small populations compared to other top countries medals in Olympic.

 

[snpark]

Well let's wait for the world badminton championship

Or the next Olympics when Indonesia is banned still because of sanctions

 

[jstar]

Badminton, Archery, Weightlifter, Mixed Martial Art where Indonesia is good at, or at least have potential

You’re forgetting Wall Climbing.

The crux is support. Support in time to train, facilities and infrastructure, trainers, financial support if it’s not a popular sport (read: where you can make a lot of money).

It‘s not for nothing that there are so many Chinese-Indonesian badminton players. They got favorable economic, social and sporting conditions in the era of the Dutch East Indies, Later the ethnic Chinese were still able to train and compete successfully, even during the Suharto times. Now their dominance can still be explained coming from richer environments and getting adequate support.

So -unlike you- I’m not so convinced that there could not be a tennis or football player from Indonesia in the world top. But the ministry needs to provide, you guessed it….support. Golf is very popular here btw, much more so than Japan or South Korea. But there are only 3 top players. Same with football, many more international players from Japan.

 

[snpark]

Yes but golf is elitist and mahal and needs 20 acres of back yard
At least badminton kids play in the gang in kampung. 2 old rackets. A shuttlecock and a washing line. No space needed.

 

[pantaiema]

You’re forgetting Wall Climbing.

The crux is support. Support in time to train, facilities and infrastructure, trainers, financial support if it’s not a popular sport (read: where you can make a lot of money).

It‘s not for nothing that there are so many Chinese-Indonesian badminton players. They got favorable economic, social and sporting conditions in the era of the Dutch East Indies, Later the ethnic Chinese were still able to train and compete successfully, even during the Suharto times. Now their dominance can still be explained coming from richer environments and getting adequate support.

So -unlike you- I’m not so convinced that there could not be a tennis or football player from Indonesia in the world top. But the ministry needs to provide, you guessed it….support. Golf is very popular here btw, much more so than Japan or South Korea. But there are only 3 top players. Same with football, many more international players from Japan.

This picture is one of the reason why I love watching Beach Volley Ball. This is much more beautiful to watch rather than watching the anorexia models with swimsuit on the catwalk.
And the Bank BRI on the background will be remembered.
In case of ANOC World Beach Game, Bali will be remembered by International tourists who are yet to visit Bali.

 

[snpark]

This picture is one of the reason why I love watching Beach Volley Ball. This is much more beautiful to watch rather than watching the anorexia models with swimsuit on the catwalk.
And the Bank BRI on the background will be remembered.
In case of ANOC World Beach Game, Bali will be remembered by International tourists who are yet to visit Bali.

Men's beach volleyball obviously?

Or are you just being sexist and misogynistic

 

[fastpitch17]

This picture is one of the reason why I love watching Beach Volley Ball. This is much more beautiful to watch rather than watching the anorexia models with swimsuit on the catwalk.
And the Bank BRI on the background will be remembered.sjre
In case of ANOC World Beach Game, Bali will be remembered by International tourists who are yet to visit Bali.

Hope you know that the beach games are alot more than just T&A.

Sure, a big part of hosting something like the beach games is to draw tourist. Normally one would kd spend mullions of dollars on tourist related advertising but with something like this, the international media will be presenting it for free.

Bringing an international event here may not highlight local participants but it could influance a future participant or bring interest to a young individual to pursue something they have seen that is not presently encouraged by the local sport industry.

International events are also contributors to the local economies where events are held. Thousands of people come as participants, coaches, support staff, and family that would not be there spending money if the tournament wasn't there.

A lot more than just eye candy to keep you up for awhile.

 

[gemima]

This picture is one of the reason why I love watching Beach Volley Ball. This is much more beautiful to watch rather than watching the anorexia models with swimsuit on the catwalk.
And the Bank BRI on the background will be remembered.
In case of ANOC World Beach Game, Bali will be remembered by International tourists who are yet to visit Bali.

While you are salivating over the T&A its worth remembering those athletes are forced to wear the skimpy outfits and I'm sure many of them would prefer to wear more comfortable shorts (longer than the mandated 10cm) and less revealing tops. The men are allowed to wear shorts and tank tops.

 

[ChrisTex]

What point am I missing, I already now that like U20, ANOC World Beach Game will have the same fate.
Naming Indonesian football players to become Pele, Maradona, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi is insensible?? Dream on ... I will bet my bottom dollar if it ever happens at least for a few generations to come.

How much money have been spent on Football ??
The ANOC World Beach Game, U-20 will be more to do with promoting tourism in Bali rather than sport aspiration for the young generation to become a superstar. Let alone a superstar in Beach Sport and in football, the weakest points in sport for Indonesia. Aspiration is totally different with reality.

The well known theory of Comparative advantage from David Ricardo focus on what you are good at the lowest opportunity costs.

Focus more on for instance, Badminton, Archery, Weightlifter, Mixed Martial Art where Indonesia is good at, or at least have potential.

That is the way the funding in sport in GB has been managed and just see the result in the few latest Olympic games. Despite the relatively small populations compared to other top countries medals in Olympic.

Now where did I say Indonesia would have and produce he next greatest football/soccer player? The answer no where. I said the U20 WC might have the next one, but I never said which country.


You keep missing the point and this is not the first time.

 

[jstar]

For Gemima…

But seriously, there are more types of sports than volleyball in this tournament of course.

As there is: Aquathlon (is a run/swim/run combination), Beach Handball, Beach Football (which started in -where else?- Brazil), Beach Tennis (which is a mix between tennis and volleyball), Beach Waterpolo (which must be somewhat weird), Beach Wrestling (see pictures), Individual Kata (from Japan, choreographed pattern of martial arts movements), Open Water Swimming 5km, 3x3 Basketball (it looks a bit like korfbal), AirBadminton (which uses a wind-resistant AirShuttle), Surfing, Beach Sprint Rowing (that’s in coastal boats and combines running, racing, navigation) and WingFoil Racing (which looks a bit like windsurfing).

And they expected almost 1.600 athletes, which is quite a lot if you include the officials, fans and team support staff. So they will miss out on quite some potential income.

.

 

[pantaiema]

While you are salivating over the T&A its worth remembering those athletes are forced to wear the skimpy outfits and I'm sure many of them would prefer to wear more comfortable shorts (longer than the mandated 10cm) and less revealing tops. The men are allowed to wear shorts and tank tops.

Well, I do not think they are forced to wear thongs, bikinis in those sport events. They do because they want to attract attention, more likely to get contract from modelling, advertising agents. Wearing such outfits will need regular maintenance, at least regular waxing along the bikini lines.

This is just an example sort of the outfit worn by the famous swimmers Michael Phelps in the swimming pool in the Olympic games. Some females swimmers also wear these outfits in international sports events. Also these are just a few examples where female athletes in beach volleyball are wearing. If you search for it you will find a lot of them with different outfits.

 

[jstar]

I think you’re right and that the ‘mandatory bikini’ is an urban myth. If you see the lady players from Egypt for instance …