No Indonesian Culture

[centurion]

Hollywood is culture ?

Culture (/ˈkʌltʃər/) is an umbrella term which encompasses the social behavior, institutions, and norms found in human societies, as well as the knowledge, beliefs, arts, laws, customs, capabilities, and habits of the individuals in these groups.[1] Culture is often originated from or attributed to a specific region or location.

Culture - Wikipedia

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[jstar]

Not many countries have a unique culture that's practiced by the big majority of the population. There's Japan and...?

North Korea?

 

[Samoerai]

But isn’t entertainment a part of culture? Just like culinary, habits, opinions and view on things, laws, ….

In the US example I would even add ‘fast food’ and ‘individual freedom’ to their culture. As well as striving for the ‘American dream‘ perhaps.

If someone would say Balinese Dance is not part of the Bali's culture ... orang Bali will be marah.

 

[Samoerai]

Culture (/ˈkʌltʃər/) is an umbrella term which encompasses the social behavior, institutions, and norms found in human societies, as well as the knowledge, beliefs, arts, laws, customs, capabilities, and habits of the individuals in these groups.[1] Culture is often originated from or attributed to a specific region or location.

Culture - Wikipedia

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From this link under "arts":
In the Western tradition, the three classical branches of visual art are painting, sculpture, and architecture.[7] Theatre, dance, and other performing arts, as well as literature, music, film and other media such as interactive media, are included in a broader definition of the arts.[1][8]

 

[Samoerai]

Is the kumpulan "arisan" not part of Indonesian social behaviour and a part of Indonesian personal "saving system"?

 

[jstar]

I never really understood the whole arisan thingy. Luckily my wife was always able to turn down the invitations from neighbors and friends.

For those who might not be familiar with that: It’s a bit a concept of rotational borrowing. So the (mostly) ladies put money in a pot and then the one who is lucky (in a draw) gets everything. Next time the same (excluding the previous winners for payout of course). And then again and again till everybody got the full pot once.

So theoretically it’s a good way to save money (if you’re last in the chain) and great to get a loan (if you’re on of the first to collect). Also the meetings and gatherings are deemed to be socially advantageous. But I wonder why they introduced ‘arisan online’ then? That’s even riskier. And to save for a bigger purchase, why not put money aside (e.g. in a deposito) yourself and collect at least some interest?

 

[centurion]

Is the kumpulan "arisan" not part of Indonesian social behaviour and a part of Indonesian personal "saving system"?

It is part, but arisan saving models exist around the world

 

[jstar]

It’s called ROSCA in a financial term.

Rotating savings and credit association - Wikipedia

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[Bob]

If someone would say Balinese Dance is not part of the Bali's culture ... orang Bali will be marah.

Isn't Balinese dance more than entertainment though?

 

[Samoerai]

Isn't Balinese dance more than entertainment though?

Yes, that's my point. Balinese dances are part of their culture, not only entertainment.

 

[jstar]

Of course certain things can be made culturally owned (if that word combination even exists). I guess then we enter UNESCO territory. As with Champagne,

Belgian customs destroyed a transport of 2,352 cans of American beer with the marking "The Champagne of Beers" since the word 'champagne' is protected and was thus used illegally. The Champagne Committee announced this in a press release.

Miller High Life, "The Champagne of Beers," has fallen afoul of strict European laws on "champagne"

Customs officials destroyed more than 2,300 cans of the American beer for violating regulations that protect France's champagne industry.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[ChrisTex]

Well you have to be high if you think it is 'champagne of beers'.

 

[flavus]

Bumping an old thread, but ... I've been reflecting on this recently. For those with children born or growing up in Indonesia (whether from mixed marriages or not) ... which parts of your home culture do you want to pass along, and which parts of "Indonesian culture"?

Asking from the opposite POV - as a Chinese-Indonesian migrating to the US, I'm wondering what exactly I want to pass on. Cuisine? Likely. Language? Maybe not - even those from more strongly defined national origins tend to lose the ability to speak their original language after a couple of generations. The traditional Asian reluctance to speak up or be seen as confrontational - definitely not passing that on...

 

[Samoerai]

Bumping an old thread, but ... I've been reflecting on this recently. For those with children born or growing up in Indonesia (whether from mixed marriages or not) ... which parts of your home culture do you want to pass along, and which parts of "Indonesian culture"?

Asking from the opposite POV - as a Chinese-Indonesian migrating to the US, I'm wondering what exactly I want to pass on. Cuisine? Likely. Language? Maybe not - even those from more strongly defined national origins tend to lose the ability to speak their original language after a couple of generations. The traditional Asian reluctance to speak up or be seen as confrontational - definitely not passing that on...

There is the Indonesian culture ... batik .. not only for clothing but also for interior styling. And the culture of dance shows at every wedding and event.

 

[flavus]

There is the Indonesian culture ... batik .. not only for clothing but also for interior styling. And the culture of dance shows at every wedding and event.

Hard pass on dance shows... haha. TBH I rarely see it even in the weddings I attended in Indonesia, and my wife and I prefer the minimalist way people in Sweden get married - no extravagant parties

Batik, could be. Like Indonesian cuisine, it's also strictly speaking not uniquely Indonesian though

But just as ethnic boundaries tend to be seen as less significant among Indonesians abroad compared to in Indonesia, I suppose the same is also true of national boundaries - who cares if, say, a restaurant or a dish is Malaysian, Singaporean, or Indonesian - it's rare enough to see any here.

 

[Samoerai]

Hard pass on dance shows... haha. TBH I rarely see it even in the weddings I attended in Indonesia, and my wife and I prefer the minimalist way people in Sweden get married - no extravagant parties

Batik, could be. Like Indonesian cuisine, it's also strictly speaking not uniquely Indonesian though

But just as ethnic boundaries tend to be seen as less significant among Indonesians abroad compared to in Indonesia, I suppose the same is also true of national boundaries - who cares if, say, a restaurant or a dish is Malaysian, Singaporean, or Indonesian - it's rare enough to see any here.

 

[Samoerai]

I see .. so far the weddings I attended had the dance shows. The only thing I enjoyed .. because I cannot speak bahasa indonesia .. i get bored.

 

[SamR]

Bumping an old thread, but ... I've been reflecting on this recently. For those with children born or growing up in Indonesia (whether from mixed marriages or not) ... which parts of your home culture do you want to pass along, and which parts of "Indonesian culture"?

Asking from the opposite POV - as a Chinese-Indonesian migrating to the US, I'm wondering what exactly I want to pass on. Cuisine? Likely. Language? Maybe not - even those from more strongly defined national origins tend to lose the ability to speak their original language after a couple of generations. The traditional Asian reluctance to speak up or be seen as confrontational - definitely not passing that on...

This is a tricky question. I would say that even within one aspect of culture, not everything should be passed on.

I want to say that the kekeluargaan thing, that sense of being part of a tight-knit extended family as opposed to "just" being a nuclear family is something worth passing on. Living in Australia, it's amazing to see that outside of grandparents, my caucasian friends have little to do with their extended family. The parents might be close to their siblings but I notice my caucasian friends keep their distance from their cousins. Granted, this might be a small sample and I know Italians and Greeks are more closer to their extended families.

The other side of that though, the side that should not be passed on is if being part of the big family crosses over into becoming not respecting people's boundaries. I think it's still too easy for people in Indonesia to dismiss "Got a girlfriend/boyfriend yet?", "When are you going to get married?", "When are you going to have kids?" type of questions as "basa basi" and not consider that those kind of comments can be seen as social pressureby the recipient.

 

[snpark]

Language and food but doesn't apply to me until I have kids
But at least bule mix kids grow up Multi lingual. Usually
And mum teaches them how to cook rice like uncle Nigel

 

[snpark]

Uncle Roger even