Mobil Rakyat...new cars

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…..Was a super fun car …..wasn't much to look at but a great small car.

Yeah good old times.

My worst cars were also the ones I had most fun with. Matra Simca Bagheera and Princess from British Leyland. Of course it was not only the car but your age and the spirit of the times / zeitgeist played a major role as well.

 

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Austin Princess? Very 70's
And Fiat did the Simca in UK

 

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Somebody asked my opinion about a Suzuki Swift of 2015. It had 98K km on the odometer. For his daughter.

First of all, the Swift is not sold anymore in Indonesia. And in fact this car was from an older generation, over here the 2010-2014 model of the rest of the world was still continued afterwards (in 2015). Instead of a 1,2, they put a 1,4 liter engine under the hood and face-lifted the dashboard.

Something else, is that of course the odometer reading is no coincidence and it’s manipulated; there’s a psychological threshold for many people at 100.000 km. Add to that that the price of 148 juta is double (!) the second hand price in Western Europe and only 30 juta less than the sticker price at the time.

Last but not least Suzuki saves money on the safety features for the markets in South and East Asia. So a small Suzuki in Europe is ’more safe’ than one ever here or in India or so (over there I would buy an Ignis but here…).

So I advised against it.

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I had this one in 2012, bought second hand with 4.000 km on it. It had 1.5 liter engine (european had 1.4 at the time),same one that goes in small Suzuki pick-up, very stable, fun to drive and fast. Consumption was a problem with that engine,in good Jakarta jam 14-16 l/100 km or more.

I think the replacing model for the Indonesian market is Suzuki Ignis.

 

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Austin Princess? Very 70's
And Fiat did the Simca in UK

A tiny bit later than the 70ies. That was the only one I -as poor student- could afford at the time. It rotted away and I became an expert in applying the fiberglass repair kit.
The Bagheera was cool; 3-seater with polyester body. Nobody knew what it was (“Wow is this a Ferrari?”). But the gearbox was a disaster.

Swift…..It had 1.5 liter engine (european had 1.4 at the time) ….. fun to drive and fast

Yeah they switched in ‘10 or so from the 1.5 to the 1.4 liter. But Europe went from a 1,3 to a 1,2 at the same time. The complaint with the latest model which was introduced last January, is the lack of oomph. Even when it is lighter than previous versions.

The production of the Suzuki Swift moved from Indonesia to Thailand when there was a new generation. I think the focus on the Ertiga (3 row MPV) was a major reason to cancel the model. Of course they did continue the Baleno, which was -as so often- a sedan version which is nothing more but a hatchback with a trunk. Practically all of those recent Suzuki’s have the same platform btw, they call it HEARTECT.

 

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A tiny bit later than the 70ies. That was the only one I -as poor student- could afford at the time. It rotted away and I became an expert in applying the fiberglass repair kit.
The Bagheera was cool; 3-seater with polyester body. Nobody knew what it was (“Wow is this a Ferrari?”). But the gearbox was a disaster.


Yeah they switched in ‘10 or so from the 1.5 to the 1.4 liter. But Europe went from a 1,3 to a 1,2 at the same time. The complaint with the latest model which was introduced last January, is the lack of oomph. Even when it is lighter than previous versions.

The production of the Suzuki Swift moved from Indonesia to Thailand when there was a new generation. I think the focus on the Ertiga (3 row MPV) was a major reason to cancel the model. Of course they did continue the Baleno, which was -as so often- a sedan version which is nothing more but a hatchback with a trunk. Practically all of those recent Suzuki’s have the same platform btw, they call it HEARTECT.

The Chevrolet Sprint based on the Suzuki Swift was a 1 liter 3 cylinder turbo charged engine. It also had 12 inch tires. Under the hood looked so funny. The intercooler for the turbo looked like a mail slot sticking through the grill.

 

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The Honda Jazz is a rather viable (and much cheaper!) alternative for the HR-V if you’re looking at 2017-2019 second hands.

This would be an example of a nice alternative.

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Jual Mobil Toyota Yaris 2022 S GR Sport 1.5 di Jawa Barat Automatic Hatchback Merah Rp 214.500.000 - 13431220 - Mobil123.com - TOYOTA YARIS GR - Mobil123.com

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Jazz is a car- car though? Small thing

Yaris also
I mean not like a rush or terios SUV people carrier minivan

But an actual car car lol
Jazz small. Can't fit 4 adults really and bags

 

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Yeah good old times.

My worst cars were also the ones I had most fun with. Matra Simca Bagheera and Princess from British Leyland. Of course it was not only the car but your age and the spirit of the times / zeitgeist played a major role as well.

Nearly bought a Bagheera in my (very) young days....

Ended up with a Matra Rancho, much more convenient to carry my wind surfing board.

Cars were fun in those days, now they are plainly boring.

 

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Jazz is a car- car though? Small thing

Yaris also
I mean not like a rush or terios SUV people carrier minivan

But an actual car car lol
Jazz small. Can't fit 4 adults really and bags

Nah. Jazz is in fact similar to a HR-V which was developed on the same platform. They also both have the ‘smart seats’ in the rear. Very interesting for bicycles etc.

Yaris and Jazz have always been competitors in the B segment. A 4+ meter length for a car is not small, let’s call it compact. In that segment you’d have a Polo or 208 in Europe. Which have the size now of the Golf or 305 from 15 years ago; everything grows.

 

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The Toyota Innova is available as a hybrid version. The turbo diesel disappears. The model is officially called:

KIJANG Innova Zenix Hybrid EV​

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There’s something rather special with this car; due to the very hot weather in Indonesia, it uses nickel–metal hydride (Ni-MH) batteries. So no Li-Ion. They go under the front seats which could be a bit of a safety concern with banjir, but according to a Toyota engineer, it has a proven impermeable housing.

The battery which is produced locally in Karawang, is also quite a bit cheaper than in other hybrids, it would cost approx. 30 juta to replace. It only has a capacity of 1.3 kWh (6,5 aH). The warranty will be 8 years or 160.000 km.

The prices start at 458 million for the model G and go up to 611 million for the Q, which has captain seats and ottoman on the second row.

A direct competitor would be the Wuling Almaz Hybrid which costs IDR 470,000,000

You see the Innova Hybrid quite often on the streets now. Honestly I didn’t expect it to be a success. No news on any possible fertility impact.

Toyota -together with the other Japanese manufacturers- have presented quite some EV’s in the Chinese car expo btw. Prototypes but also models that could make it to market very soon.

After many years we still don’t see the Solid State batteries. The current thinking is 2027. Which is 3-5 years later than what they announced before, it seems to be a moving target.

 

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The Suzuki Jimny is a bit the victim of its own success. Everywhere there are long queues and the quota per country are limited. In the U.K. for instance, 4,500 people want one while they only get 2,000 per year. In Belgium its status is sold out without any indication of order period.

The prices are also rather steep, in most European countries it costs €30K. Then a price of 350 Juta rupiah over here, is not even that bad.

The Suzuki Jimny 5-door has arrived. They told me there are only three colors, the apple green, black and red. I like the front / grille of the 3-door much better, not so much chrome.

The prices are going crazy, from the top of the line version they start to approach the 500 juta?!

 

[jstar]

Talking about hybrids, Mitsubishi has launched a hybrid version of the Xpander in Thailand. The price there is approx. 450 juta. Which is extremely steep for a car that was designed at the time to compete with a 250 juta Avanza.

The expectation is that it will be introduced in RI very soon, probably already in June. It is not known if the Cross version of the Xpander will also become available in a hybrid version.

 

[jstar]

If you’re in the market for a 3-row PHEV (plug-in hybrid), this might interest you.

Chery will introduce the Pro Max version of its Tiggo 8 in Indonesia. It should be able to drive 75 km on the battery and electric motors before the 1,5 liter engine kicks in.

 

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Yangwang U8
Check it out

 

[Wisnu]

If you’re in the market for a 3-row PHEV (plug-in hybrid), this might interest you.

Chery will introduce the Pro Max version of its Tiggo 8 in Indonesia. It should be able to drive 75 km on the battery and electric motors before the 1,5 liter engine kicks in.

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I was looking for 3 rows medium size PHEV early this year for short distance daily use as well as traveling to more remote.
Unfortunately no more Outlander; and BMW is out of my budget. Visited GIAS 2023 and IIMS February 2024, no manufacturer able to confirm for bringing PHEV to Indonesia.
Very impressive with Cherry, so we grab Tiggo 8 pro turbo, good size, powerful engine 256 HP, with nice ADAS (very helpful but could be annoying for typical roads here.
Later when our offgrid PV hut ready, will get the EV (considering Omoda).
For scooter, I choose EV scooter Selis Emax (very disappointed - no power, terrible suspension, poor handling and battery, ) - then I get Yamaha Xmax.

 

[jstar]

For scooter, I choose EV scooter Selis Emax (very disappointed - no power, terrible suspension, poor handling and battery, )

We have a Volta 401 here. Not bad, dual battery slot and 1.500 watt. It doesn’t make the advertised 120 km, but 100 is feasible.

EV here is perfectly possible but you really need to try to go for a combination with wall box and solar panels.

Normally I’m not so in favor for PHEV but in countries like RI with less charging stations, it could make sense. If you make longer trips, like often drive between JKT and Bandung for instance, or even further, it would be ‘best of both worlds’ combined. If you drive around in a smaller area in Bali or SulUt or the DKI (with many smaller roads) and go home every evening it is ‘the worst of both worlds’ and rather useless. I mentioned smaller roads since the self-charging (recharging) concept works best if it slows down and hits the brakes a lot.

The bigger SUV’s from Toyota and Hyundai for instance, are definitely coming in HEV/PHEV/BEV versions.

 

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Akio Toyoda -former CEO and President of Toyota and now Chairman of the Board- apologizes on behalf of Toyota for "misconduct" by Daihatsu. Daihatsu,which is a subsidiary of Toyota, has messed around with safety testing. Which has far-reaching consequences.

In several models, Daihatsu made adjustments to test cars during crash tests so they scored better in safety tests. In the Toyota Yaris Ativ, Perodua Axia and Toyota Agya (all models developed by Daihatsu) they modified the inside of the driver's front doors during crash tests to improve the side impact test results.
Daihatsu itself also apologizes "for violating the trust that customers and other stakeholders have in us and for causing great inconvenience,".

Toyota says it is launching an extensive investigation into the consequences and which other models are involved. As a wholly owned subsidiary of Toyota, Daihatsu develops various models itself and is also responsible for the full certification of its models.

As we know, various models are not only known as Daihatsu, but also as Toyota. The aforementioned Toyota Yaris Ativ, for example, was developed by Daihatsu and uses the same technology as, for example, the Daihatsu Rocky. The Perodua Axia and the Toyota Agya mentioned are actually slightly modified versions of the Daihatsu Ayla.

Toyota may fear that more shared models have been victim to tampering. Which use Daihatsu's DNGA platforms, and there are quite a few. Daihatsu already says that there may still be cars in development where certification has not been done properly. There are definitely cars produced in Thailand and Malaysia involved, Indonesia’s Agya is not certain.

The scandal is spreading and it seems that multiple Japanese (car) companies have not been completely correct in their safety testing and reporting.

Toyota temporarily stops supplying three car models in Japan. Two Corolla variants and the Yaris Cross. Toyota acknoledges reporting incorrect data based on pedestrian and passenger protection tests. Other manufacturers such as Honda, Mazda and Suzuki have also been scrutinized by the Ministry of Transport.

The irregularities came to light because the ministry had asked 85 manufacturers and suppliers to specifically report violations, following a scandal at Toyota subsidiary Daihatsu. That brand reported having manipulated safety tests for years, at least since 1989. As a result, production was shut down and Toyota also had to lower its production targets.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/03/business/toyota-mazda-halt-shipments-japan-safety/index.html

Japan has a system of final checks for industrial products. Those must guarantee that the delivered product corresponds to the homologation. What always emerges in these scandals is that companies fake the final checks on a large scale. They do not do the tests, or not according to the rules, or fill in fraudulent data to comply with the homologation.

 

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On the 3 row 7 seater as (plug in) hybrid version:

Hyundai is introducing a completely new version of its Santa Fe.

I kind of like it, a very boxy design, bit like a love baby between Range Rover and Ford Explorer/Expedition.

It will be available as 7 or 6 seater. So then the second row are captain’s seats.

Of course we don’t know yet which version Indonesia will get. I think the chance is high there won’t be a plug-in version here.

 

[jstar]

The GIAS, the Indonesian car expo in BSD, is scheduled for July. There are some smaller spin offs in other large cities (on Java). The main brands will be represented.

There is also a hall dedicated to motorcycles and accessories.

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GAIKINDO Indonesia International Auto Show (GIIAS) will be back at 2024 at Indonesia Convention Exhibition (ICE) – BSD City

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