Mobil Rakyat...new cars

Because it’s the Japanese model where they introduce the facelift first. In Indonesia the car manufacturers and especially Toyota and Honda are not so concerned about fuel consumption and pollution. And they very often offer car models with older model ICE (internal combustion engine) instead of the electrified hybrids they sell in Europe and the US. Even without turbo, just full atmospheric engines.
 
Is that for all the HRV or only that Vezel model?
They are the same. Just different names depending on the country. Like X-Trail or Rogue, Pajero or Montero, Fusion or Mondeo, Yaris or Vios or Belta, …
 
But this one is the hybrid so maybe the grill different for that? Like the EV Porsche has different grill since no air intake cooling required
 
I can say the exact opposite about our BRV. We bought it new and it has been a great car 5 years later. 2 batteries, a set of tires and a window switch is all we have needed so far, other than oil changes, etc. It could die tomorrow but so far, it has been great. Especially considering the price. Still feels really solid even on a bad road.

I guess you’re lucky you don’t have the last model…


But kidding aside, even the previous model has some well-known issues…


The majority of the concerns seem to be front suspension and rubber connections.

With existing models and buying a second hand it is quite easy to find user experiences and the typical problems of a car. And then make a decision whether it’s worth it or not. With a brand new model that’s obviously not so eh … obvious.
 
I love this thread! Perfect place to ask for advice.

So I need a new car (well second hand probably). It needs to have the following characteristics:
  • somewhat modern (last car was a 2012 VW Golf TSI, so looking for something 5yo tops)
  • must be comfortable, so suspensions are important (no straight rear axle)
  • does not have to be huge as it's mostly my wife and me
  • will mostly be driven by my wife as I wfh. Probably won't be used for commuting anyway.
  • a bit of ground clearance for the odd camping trip (no need for full on awd or 4x4)
  • around 200jt (can push to 250 for the hidden gem)

I like the Mazda CX-3 and Hyundai Kona. Also like the new HR-V but a bit out of price range. These would be great for my wife.

I like Subarus and looked at XV and Forester but they are starting to be a bit old. And this is mostly to please me (gimme that 2.5L Turbo engine).

Any recommendations?
 
I really like the CX-3. But it is already canceled in Europe and the US so I don’t know how long it will last. Also, in depreciation Mazda is one of the worst Japanese. That could be a good thing if you want to have a look at the more expensive CX-30. Mazda doesn’t really believe in engine downsizing which does have consequences.

For a smaller SUV in urban use I would currently go for the Daihatsu Rocky or its Toyota counterpart. And not the Yaris Cross. Will come back later with the rationale and some more alternatives.
 
Has to be new?
2nd hand HRV would be good
Or brand new 200jt?
Try the Daihatsu version of the Rush (Terios?)
Identical apart from the Toyota badge

And for 200 don't knock some of those Chinese things. Wulang etc

As long as the engine is 1.6 + you will be ok for hills

Can seat 5/ 7. A/c in the back with actually vents and switches. Even airbags.

Anyway many people have asked the same question so is in the previous pages for sure
 
I love this thread! Perfect place to ask for advice.

So I need a new car (well second hand probably). It needs to have the following characteristics:
  • somewhat modern (last car was a 2012 VW Golf TSI, so looking for something 5yo tops)
  • must be comfortable, so suspensions are important (no straight rear axle)
  • does not have to be huge as it's mostly my wife and me
  • will mostly be driven by my wife as I wfh. Probably won't be used for commuting anyway.
  • a bit of ground clearance for the odd camping trip (no need for full on awd or 4x4)
  • around 200jt (can push to 250 for the hidden gem)

I like the Mazda CX-3 and Hyundai Kona. Also like the new HR-V but a bit out of price range. These would be great for my wife.

I like Subarus and looked at XV and Forester but they are starting to be a bit old. And this is mostly to please me (gimme that 2.5L Turbo engine).

Any recommendations?

If I read your requests, a subcompact SUV or crossover might make sense. I don’t see why a three row people mover, even if everybody gets one, would be an interesting choice.

There we have:
  • Nissan Magnite. Now 4 years in the market. They wanted to position it as a Datsun at first before that brand was dismantled, so that gives you an idea about the level of luxury and safety equipment. It has a 1 liter engine. At the high end of your budget. A bit more and you’d have a 2021 Kicks e-Power, which is somewhat bigger and which has an interesting drive train (sequential hybrid).
  • Suzuki Grand Vitara. This 1,5 liter mild hybrid exists one year in Indonesia. Definitely interesting quality wise since it’s a system developed by Toyota. Price will be a problem since even 2nd hands are still 315 juta and upwards. There are obviously smaller Suzuki’s but unlike in Europe, the safety features seem to be subpar in India and Indonesia. Also, the traffic here makes you wonder how safe you are in a ‘giant’ Suzuki.
  • Daihatsu Rocky. There are two engine versions available; a 1,2 liter atmospheric and a 1 liter turbo. The latter is more expensive and in this climate a turbo can overheat rather easily. The Raize is the Toyota version. These cars are also involved in the current scandal*


Some other considerations:

In your price range, a HR-V would have to be from 2018 or so. Six years is rather old for a car here. The same applies to a CX-3 btw, perhaps that one would even have to be older. Don’t forget it’s in fact based on a Mazda 2. Pricewise a Kona is even less interesting.

An Indonesian Yaris Cross is somewhat larger than its extremely popular European counterpart and in fact a very different car. It’s based on a new Daihatsu platform. The price is very steep.

I would not touch a Subaru anymore. You might remember the import tax issues and the cars that stood idle for years. You don’t want such a 2nd hand. And currently the Indonesian dealership network still has not recovered.

* There is quite a scandal around Daihatsu (and thus Toyota) currently, they have been cheating on safety tests. (Which does not automatically mean you can’t trust the cars, but still). The amazing thing is that the organization in Indonesia is behaving like an ostrich and wants to avoid recalls.
 
I love this thread! Perfect place to ask for advice.

So I need a new car (well second hand probably). It needs to have the following characteristics:
  • somewhat modern (last car was a 2012 VW Golf TSI, so looking for something 5yo tops)
  • must be comfortable, so suspensions are important (no straight rear axle)
  • does not have to be huge as it's mostly my wife and me
  • will mostly be driven by my wife as I wfh. Probably won't be used for commuting anyway.
  • a bit of ground clearance for the odd camping trip (no need for full on awd or 4x4)
  • around 200jt (can push to 250 for the hidden gem)

I like the Mazda CX-3 and Hyundai Kona. Also like the new HR-V but a bit out of price range. These would be great for my wife.

I like Subarus and looked at XV and Forester but they are starting to be a bit old. And this is mostly to please me (gimme that 2.5L Turbo engine).

Any recommendations?
Petrol Kona is not sold anymore in Indonesia, just Europe and US, probably because it competes with much cheaper KIA (sold more expensive in Indonesia) and Hyundai Creta,made for the local market.

Great car, preety fast, fuel efficient and sporty, but had to change the shock absorbers at 60.000, a 9 million cost,
 
In the news about S Dewi's suami KPK etc, they confiscated a Mini Cooper and a RR - turns out that he has TWO, both costing several hundred thousand $ each
They mentioned he hadn't paid the tax

For ONE Rolls Royce EVERY YEAR his tax is 99juta - 100million a year EVERY year just for one car on top of the billions to buy it, and he has 2? Why (well I mean I guess they were free if he was taking the money etc)

But such an impractical car here but the tax is crazy

Not just to buy it but then every year on top. The mind boggles of their stupidity

When I worked for a billionaire in Jersey (a tax haven island) he had an ex demo Bentley in a garage gathering dust and a silver gull wing mercedes (McQueen?) but his daily car was a bright yellow VW beetle called Noddy

He didn't waste money poncing about Jersey at 20mph in a fancy car
If they did a sweep and pulled over every Bentley, Rolls, Lambo, Ferrari etc.... in Jakarta over the course of a month I am sure that a very high % of them don't have the proper paperwork, taxes, not registered under the real owner and other problems. I am also sure if they investigated how the owner came up with funds for the car, the majority would be through corruption. The problem with this, and the reason it will never happen, is that a large percentage of the owner's of these types of cars are politicians, police, military and other government officials.
 
I would say: rich people.

Obviously this is thread about cars so I don’t want to go into the ‘parking garages full with unregistered and uninsured supercars‘ again. But for those interested, see what this guy has done in his life, and yes, there is a link to Lamborghini! :car:
 
Has to be new?
2nd hand HRV would be good
Or brand new 200jt?
Try the Daihatsu version of the Rush (Terios?)
Identical apart from the Toyota badge

And for 200 don't knock some of those Chinese things. Wulang etc

As long as the engine is 1.6 + you will be ok for hills

Can seat 5/ 7. A/c in the back with actually vents and switches. Even airbags.

Anyway many people have asked the same question so is in the previous pages for sure

HR-V is definitely on the top of the list. Seems like a no brainer, so many on the road. But damn is it boring.

And as mentioned, most likely second hand. I would prefer a higher model a few years old than a brand new entry market car.

Terios/Rush, hard no. Too big, I don't need a 7 seater. And that rear-axle design is just too uncomfortable.

If I read your requests, a subcompact SUV or crossover might make sense. I don’t see why a three row people mover, even if everybody gets one, would be an interesting choice.

There we have:
  • Nissan Magnite. Now 4 years in the market. They wanted to position it as a Datsun at first before that brand was dismantled, so that gives you an idea about the level of luxury and safety equipment. It has a 1 liter engine. At the high end of your budget. A bit more and you’d have a 2021 Kicks e-Power, which is somewhat bigger and which has an interesting drive train (sequential hybrid).
  • Suzuki Grand Vitara. This 1,5 liter mild hybrid exists one year in Indonesia. Definitely interesting quality wise since it’s a system developed by Toyota. Price will be a problem since even 2nd hands are still 315 juta and upwards. There are obviously smaller Suzuki’s but unlike in Europe, the safety features seem to be subpar in India and Indonesia. Also, the traffic here makes you wonder how safe you are in a ‘giant’ Suzuki.
  • Daihatsu Rocky. There are two engine versions available; a 1,2 liter atmospheric and a 1 liter turbo. The latter is more expensive and in this climate a turbo can overheat rather easily. The Raize is the Toyota version. These cars are also involved in the current scandal*


Some other considerations:

In your price range, a HR-V would have to be from 2018 or so. Six years is rather old for a car here. The same applies to a CX-3 btw, perhaps that one would even have to be older. Don’t forget it’s in fact based on a Mazda 2. Pricewise a Kona is even less interesting.

An Indonesian Yaris Cross is somewhat larger than its extremely popular European counterpart and in fact a very different car. It’s based on a new Daihatsu platform. The price is very steep.

I would not touch a Subaru anymore. You might remember the import tax issues and the cars that stood idle for years. You don’t want such a 2nd hand. And currently the Indonesian dealership network still has not recovered.

* There is quite a scandal around Daihatsu (and thus Toyota) currently, they have been cheating on safety tests. (Which does not automatically mean you can’t trust the cars, but still). The amazing thing is that the organization in Indonesia is behaving like an ostrich and wants to avoid recalls.

That Nissan Magnite is not too bad. That 1L Turbo engine outputs decent horsepower for its size.

Raize, no. I just don't like that car.

I like the style of the Kona very much and also the fact that it's quite unique. I don't like driving the same car as everyone else.

Petrol Kona is not sold anymore in Indonesia, just Europe and US, probably because it competes with much cheaper KIA (sold more expensive in Indonesia) and Hyundai Creta,made for the local market.

Great car, preety fast, fuel efficient and sporty, but had to change the shock absorbers at 60.000, a 9 million cost,

Good to know about the shocks. I guess I would see it as an opportunity to upgrade to something better.


200jtaan but they're all 280jt+, too big, and basically what you see everywhere on the road. None of these is attractive to me.


Thanks, I know how to make a search and use filters too 😅
 
I thought the HRV was cool. Not the big CRV

The HRV is sporty looking. Fast 1.6 engine.
The interior is lovely very snug leather panoramic sunroof, you can even change the colours of the interior display.

I was very impressed. I bought one for a gf a few years back yes it was a top of the range prestige trim automatic blah blah I think 372jt
But I would imagine you can get one 2020+ for 200jt
Especially if the new ones have facelifts

People looking to renew after 3-4 years

But definitely a cool care. Very sporty and comfortable inside.

Not the CRV it's bigger clumsier boring brother
 
HR-V is definitely on the top of the list.

I thought the HRV was cool.

Personally I would prefer this over a 5 or 6-year old HR-V with an atmospheric 1,5 with a fuel system that is often faulty, questionable rear brakes and possibly airbags from the Takata screw-up era.

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I realize you want something ‘cool’ and not so anonymous but don’t forget it’s your spouse who will drive the car.
 
The Honda Jazz is a rather viable (and much cheaper!) alternative for the HR-V if you’re looking at 2017-2019 second hands.
 
There are obviously smaller Suzuki’s but unlike in Europe, the safety features seem to be subpar in India and Indonesia. Also, the traffic here makes you wonder how safe you are in a ‘giant’ Suzuki.

Somebody asked my opinion about a Suzuki Swift of 2015. It had 98K km on the odometer. For his daughter.

First of all, the Swift is not sold anymore in Indonesia. And in fact this car was from an older generation, over here the 2010-2014 model of the rest of the world was still continued afterwards (in 2015). Instead of a 1,2, they put a 1,4 liter engine under the hood and face-lifted the dashboard.

Something else, is that of course the odometer reading is no coincidence and it’s manipulated; there’s a psychological threshold for many people at 100.000 km. Add to that that the price of 148 juta is double (!) the second hand price in Western Europe and only 30 juta less than the sticker price at the time.

Last but not least Suzuki saves money on the safety features for the markets in South and East Asia. So a small Suzuki in Europe is ’more safe’ than one ever here or in India or so (over there I would buy an Ignis but here…).

So I advised against it.

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Somebody asked my opinion about a Suzuki Swift of 2015. It had 98K km on the odometer. For his daughter.

First of all, the Swift is not sold anymore in Indonesia. And in fact this car was from an older generation, over here the 2010-2014 model of the rest of the world was still continued afterwards (in 2015). Instead of a 1,2, they put a 1,4 liter engine under the hood and face-lifted the dashboard.

Something else, is that of course the odometer reading is no coincidence and it’s manipulated; there’s a psychological threshold for many people at 100.000 km. Add to that that the price of 148 juta is double (!) the second hand price in Western Europe and only 30 juta less than the sticker price at the time.

Last but not least Suzuki saves money on the safety features for the markets in South and East Asia. So a small Suzuki in Europe is ’more safe’ than one ever here or in India or so (over there I would buy an Ignis but here…).

So I advised against it.

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Had a 1987 Chevrolet Sprint Turbo that was based on the Suzuki Swift of that era. Was a super fun car and made me a lot of money showing people that it would actually outrun their "sports" cars at the time. It got over 40 MPG on top of being a fun little car. I sold it with over 100,000 miles on the odometer but it was still running great. It wasn't much to look at but a great small car.
 

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