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[Pak Asam Manis]

I was going to hold back from posting again on this thread because I think it's pretty much burned itself out..

But since you mentioned my name..

I won't respond to you.. but I will respond to the French Prime Minister, Manuel Valls who is obviously lurking somewhere on this Forum and is reading my posts.

... Thanks for agreeing with me Monsieur Valls.. hold to your principles and good luck in the next election.

Well like they say mate it's a free country he he he ... post or don't post, as you like ... respond or don't respond, as you like ... wear a burkini (or a nun's habit), or don't wear one, as you like ... etc.

 

[Pak Asam Manis]

There you go, Pak AM ... if you are clever enough other posters will do your work for you.

Considering the actual depths of my lazyness, that would actually be a great help indeed ...

 

[ukcouple]

Well like they say mate it's a free country he he he ... post or don't post, as you like ... respond or don't respond, as you like ... wear a burkini (or a nun's habit), or don't wear one, as you like ... etc.

That says it all..

Nuf said..

 

[Pak Asam Manis]

Amin.

 

[ukcouple]

... that these women are being brainwashed and oppressed, etc. You can definitely find this in ukcouple's posts...

Let me respond to your post in a different way..

If we took a poll of the posters on this forum .. I think the majority would agree with you, not me.

I guess many are teachers or former teachers or involved in social services in some way.

We are in Indonesia so many are Muslim, either from birth or because they married here.

For sure most are to the left of the political spectrum and what many would consider "politically correct"

Someone with an opposite opinion always provokes a strong reaction. See the number of f**k off, racist, bigot, tirades we've seen on this thread alone.

Anyway.. sorry if I cut you off before. That's not good etiquette on any forum. It's been a stressful day.

 

[Puspawarna]

For sure most are to the left of the political spectrum and "politically correct"

Just FYI, I am pretty far left and yet the idea of political correctness, not to mention the use of the term as a way to demean the views of others, annoys the crap out of me. Stay tuned for a thread on the subject in the not-too-distant future!

 

[ukcouple]

Just FYI, I am pretty far left and yet the idea of political correctness, not to mention the use of the term as a way to demean the views of others, annoys the crap out of me. Stay tuned for a thread on the subject in the not-too-distant future!

That would make a good topic.

Why does the term politically correct demean someone.?

 

[Pak Asam Manis]

Let me respond to your post in a different way..

If we took a poll of the posters on this forum .. I think the majority would agree with you, not me.

I guess many are teachers or former teachers or involved in social services in some way.

We are in Indonesia so many are Muslim, either from birth or because they married here.

For sure most are to the left of the political spectrum and "politically correct"

Someone with an opposite opinion always provokes a strong reaction. See the number of f**k off, racist, bigot, tirades we've seen on this thread alone.

Anyway.. sorry if I cut you off before. That's not good etiquette on any forum. It's been a stressful day.

There is no doubt in my mind that you have the right, sorry mod gods, privilege to express your opinions here, whether they are in line with the majority or the minority.

Posters who seem to be holding the "minority" viewpoint on a given thread do sometimes get sort of ganged up on here, maybe sometimes appropriately so (if they are saying something that many find offensive, for example), and maybe sometimes inappropriately.

I have seen, on the "erstwhile" forum, two female Muslim (Indonesian) posters get pretty savagely attacked (in a virtual sort of way) for simply expressing their sincere views and opinions concerning some aspects of Islam or what they believed as Muslims. I even got "infracted" myself over there for the way I responded to some of those I perceived as their "attackers" (I deserved the infraction in that case, as I admitted to the mod team ... at the time I did not care about being infracted, I wanted to say what I wanted to say the way I wanted to say it, full stop).

I don't consider myself "politically correct" and I don't think that concept is particularly germane to this discussion, but that is probably one of many differences between us, and that's fine.

I'm also not sure whether it's true that the majority of active posters on this forum would agree more with my position on this than with yours.

Anyway, good for you for sticking for your arguments, I stick for mine too and we don't trespass against each other by holding different points of view. No need to apologize.

 

[ukcouple]

.. I'm also not sure whether it's true that the majority of active posters on this forum would agree more with my position on this than with yours.

my feeling is most would agree with you..

If i had the time i would go back over this thread and count.

 

[Dan]

To be fair, France has a history of enforcing freedom from religion, which is one step beyond freedom of religion. Rather than simply enforcing secularism, it tends to enforce atheism from time to time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristianization_of_France_during_the_French_Revolution

With good reason.

One of my fondest memories of my great great grandmother (yes, she was still alive when I was a child) was when she told us that the nuns and priests were having affairs and burying their aborted offspring in the churchyard under cover of darkness. I learned much later in life that it was propaganda from the French Revolution (please note she wasn't a participant, it merely continued in the minds of the French).

The French people have a deep mistrust of clergy, I think, and sometimes it bleeds over into religion. To be fair, none of my French ancestors were religious at all. Not even remotely so, though they still sometimes held weird, Bible-inspired beliefs. My great grandmother insisted that God wasn't real, and told me so when I was four. But Adam and Eve were real people.

She also warned me against miscegenation, and told me that blacks and whites make the most beautiful babies but should never mix. True story.

 

[ukcouple]

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[Nimbus]

With good reason.

One of my fondest memories of my great great grandmother (yes, she was still alive when I was a child) was when she told us that the nuns and priests were having affairs and burying their aborted offspring in the churchyard under cover of darkness. I learned much later in life that it was propaganda from the French Revolution (please note she wasn't a participant, it merely continued in the minds of the French).

The French people have a deep mistrust of clergy, I think, and sometimes it bleeds over into religion. To be fair, none of my French ancestors were religious at all. Not even remotely so, though they still sometimes held weird, Bible-inspired beliefs. My great grandmother insisted that God wasn't real, and told me so when I was four. But Adam and Eve were real people.

She also warned me against miscegenation, and told me that blacks and whites make the most beautiful babies but should never mix. True story.

Interesting. I believe miscegenation is still on the books in Louisiana, although it hasn't been enforced in a while, except by a judge back in 2009.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/03/louisiana.interracial.marriage/index.html?iref=24hours

The majority of mixed race kids I know are indeed gorgeous. Alicia Keys is one of them, she's jaw dropping beautiful.

 

[jstar]

Agree with you on Alicia (soon to be seen on The Voice)...

Interesting. I believe miscegenation is still on the books in Louisiana, although it hasn't been enforced in a while, except by a judge back in 2009.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/03/louisiana.interracial.marriage/index.html?iref=24hours

The majority of mixed race kids I know are indeed gorgeous. Alicia Keys is one of them, she's jaw dropping beautiful.

....but in fact the Louisiana case and its relation to France makes no sense: The judge there is from British descent while the ex senator challenging him is in fact from a old French bloodline.

 

[Nimbus]

....but in fact the Louisiana case and its relation to France makes no sense: The judge there is from British descent while the ex senator challenging him is in fact from a old French bloodline.

I was going on an off-topic tangent. Today Louisiana is as French as French Fries. In other word: not really French.

 

[waarmstrong]

One of the things i said was ".. for Muslims the Q'uran is the divine word of God as handed down to the Prophet Mohammad by the Angel Gabriel"

It's the central religious text of all Islam. A Revelation from God.

It is interpreted in different ways though and therein lies the root of so many present day conflicts. Sunni and Shiite for one.

One of these days (on the Islam Megathread), i'll challenge Dan to give us a simple explanation of the differences. Perhaps he already has.

(By the way I've changed the spelling of Koran to Q'uran.)

That's not the point. What was essentially false was the dichotomy presented in your post contrasting Muslims as dogmatic versus Christians as adaptable and nuanced.

 

[Dan]

....but in fact the Louisiana case and its relation to France makes no sense: The judge there is from British descent while the ex senator challenging him is in fact from a old French bloodline.

Not necessarily so, lots of people have non-French surnames but are largely of a French background. Unlike my great grandmother, a woman born of two French immigrants from the early 20th century, the Cajuns seemed to have zero qualms about miscegenation. Nearly all of us have African and Native ancestry, yours truly included. I way surpass the one drop rule, I have two identifiable black (or really Creole) ancestors.

Another interesting factoid about Louisiana's "white" population. http://www.nola.com/news/baton-rouge/index.ssf/2014/12/1_in_8_white_louisianians_has.html

 

[waarmstrong]

Let me respond to your post in a different way..

If we took a poll of the posters on this forum .. I think the majority would agree with you, not me.

I guess many are teachers or former teachers or involved in social services in some way.

We are in Indonesia so many are Muslim, either from birth or because they married here.

For sure most are to the left of the political spectrum and what many would consider "politically correct"

Someone with an opposite opinion always provokes a strong reaction. See the number of f**k off, racist, bigot, tirades we've seen on this thread alone.

Anyway.. sorry if I cut you off before. That's not good etiquette on any forum. It's been a stressful day.

Nice, but failed, try casting yourself as a victim. What provokes the strongest reaction are ill informed and unsupported comments emanating from any corner.

 

[Puspawarna]

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The majority of mixed race kids I know are indeed gorgeous. Alicia Keys is one of them, she's jaw dropping beautiful.

Here's tip (Nimbus probably doesn't need it since he has been in the US for a long time, but others may find it useful): if you say that to mixed race or minority people in America, they may find it very patronizing.

I happen to agree that mixed race kids tend to be especially gorgeous (and I think that's a popular belief here in Indonesia) and I don't particularly see why anyone would be offended by it. (Maybe they think it harks back to slave masters raping their slaves, and therefore takes the topic too lightly? Or maybe because it reduces human beings to a pile of chromosomes? Both? Something else?)

I've learned not to say anything though, since I have no important point to make (if I did, I'd speak up anyway, of course).

I share this in case any of you find yourself talking to Americans with non-white heritage and the topic comes up - you may be surprised at the reaction you get.

 

[Nimbus]

Here's tip (Nimbus probably doesn't need it since he has been in the US for a long time, but others may find it useful): if you say that to mixed race or minority people in America, they may find it very patronizing.

I happen to agree that mixed race kids tend to be especially gorgeous (and I think that's a popular belief here in Indonesia) and I don't particularly see why anyone would be offended by it. (Maybe they think it harks back to slave masters raping their slaves, and therefore takes the topic too lightly? Or maybe because it reduces human beings to a pile of chromosomes? Both? Something else?)

I've learned not to say anything though, since I have no important point to make (if I did, I'd speak up anyway, of course).

I share this in case any of you find yourself talking to Americans with non-white heritage and the topic comes up - you may be surprised at the reaction you get.

Oh, in general I avoid saying an American woman is beautiful to her face, because some would think that I'm hitting on her. If she's far younger then it's worse because I can be seen as an old perv. You can compliment her dress, her shoes, her hair, her voice, etc. all day long, just not her beauty.

Race is a sensitive topic that's best avoided, except with the closest of friends or with fellow foreigners, who are typically not as sensitive about the subject. My being a non white foreigner gives me a little lattitude in committing social faux pas, but I try not to overuse it.

 

[ukcouple]

JStay tuned for a thread on the subject in the not-too-distant future!

in the cage i hope..