Covid-19th deaths in Indonesia, friends or relatives

[Lantern]

I started to "agree" with this post but settled for "like" instead since, as a non-Indonesian, I don't want to characterize Indonesians as a group as having "extra thick skulls." Nimbus can say that, since he himself is Indonesian.

In fact, I don't doubt that there is a particular mix of inadequate education, misinformation, and cultural tendencies that lead some Indonesian communities to have a high rate of head-in-the-sand or other counter-productive behaviors. But that's just human nature being manifested in a specific set of circumstances. We're all just primates, only some of us are the product of more advantageous circumstances than others.

Speaking of head in the sand.....

 

[Puspawarna]

I can't get the video to play. Is there a source other than FB?

 

[fastpitch17]

I think Indonesia is past the point for flattening the curve to fit in the health care capacity anyway. But even then, there are some benefits to flattening the curve.

1. Reduce number of simultaneous cases to make area isolation and tracing purposes more effective.
2. Delay getting sick. If you were to get Covid-19, you would rather have it 6 months from now than today.
3. Reduce transmission rates if possible to below 1, so that the virus dies out in the wild. Then any recurring local outbreaks must be quickly isolated.

There are good and bad ways for one to think the curve can be flattened.
The bad is simple, miscommunication and poor management.
Otherwise.
Wearing mask by everyone, no exceptions.
Social distancing by everyone.
No crowds of any kind over 5 individuals if for official purposes and social distancing is maintained.
Businesses that remain open must have social distancing policies in place.
No religious or social gatherings what so ever.
Restaurant go take out and delivery only
All policies enforced by law enforcement with hefty fines, not jail.
Medical personnel and facilities are ensured equipment needed.
Testing, even rapid testing takes place nationwide.
Contact investigations take place for all positive results quickly. Days matter, weeks are a waste of time.

I am reaching back a bit to my time in the military and then with the DOD as a Public Health Specialist. Granted, my access to patients was primarily for interview purposes for contact exposure mainly for VD and Food Born illnesses. I was one to track symptoms and record data to watch movements and direct medical personnel to areas of concern. I was involved with one Hepatitis threat on the verge of an epidemic and a Dengue fever epidemic that I was able to manage and keep out of the tent city of Vietnam refugees totalling over 35 thousand at that time. Funny how all that stuff you were trained for comes back when things heat up in relation to it. Now, just hope I never need to dig out that Biological Warfare med stuff even though, some of this has similarities as to how it is attacked.

 

[john madden]

Not in Indonesia, not a friend or relative, but covid19, and sad news. Vale john prine

 

[fastpitch17]

Here's the thing. As long as you have a government that is transparent, keeps everyone informed of what is actually going on, ensures whatever is needed medically is covered, and can offer some level of comfort, the actual spread of the virus is totally controled by each and every individual. While it affects a population, it still remains an individual's fight. If we make sure we are safe and everyone follows the same safety precautions, the virus can not spread. It disapeers in your area. If anyone breaks away from keeping themselves safe, they are in fact contributing to the problem and a threat to everyone.

Also, keep in mind this coronavirus will probably move with the seasons shifting Hemispheres and in all likelihood, will be back.
Jmho

 

[Lantern]

I can't get the video to play. Is there a source other than FB?

Try this. Occupy Democrats aren't exactly fair and balanced but I assume the video is genuine.

 

[Nimbus]

Try this. Occupy Democrats aren't exactly fair and balanced but I assume the video is genuine.

And my cousin would say “The virus is God’s creation, so it won’t harm people visiting his house.”

USA, the most religious developed country in the world.

 

[Puspawarna]

Try this. Occupy Democrats aren't exactly fair and balanced but I assume the video is genuine.

It worked, thank you!

Can someone tell me the reference at the end - I assume it is a scene from a movie (where the guy says something along the lines of, "That was the most idiotic and irrational thing anyone has ever said, completely devoid of sense, and we are all now dumber for having heard it"). It was certainly apt.

 

[Supir Angkot]

 

[Nimbus]

Another pastor defying the order to limit crowds in Louisiana.

Louisiana pastor cited for defying coronavirus order hosts hundreds on Palm Sunday

Spell has already been hit with six misdemeanors for services he has held since Gov. John Bel Edwards announced an order against large gatherings.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[scouser59]

Another pastor defying the order to limit crowds in Louisiana.

Louisiana pastor cited for defying coronavirus order hosts hundreds on Palm Sunday

Spell has already been hit with six misdemeanors for services he has held since Gov. John Bel Edwards announced an order against large gatherings.

www.nbcnews.com

What is wrong with these radical religious nuts !

 

[Nimbus]

What is wrong with these radical religious nuts !

My cynical mind thinks that the collection plate doesn’t get filled if people stay home.

 

[nosox]

What is wrong with these radical religious nuts !

hardly the first time religious "logic" has left us scratching our heads

 

[atlantis]

My cynical mind thinks that the collection plate doesn’t get filled if people stay home.

Here in Manado the churches messages are heard several times a day. They exhort people to pray at home... and in all messages a long (and loud) emphasis is done on the importance to send uang derma to the church despite not going there. If Coronavirus fills coffins it shouldn't deplete Church coffers.

 

[Nimbus]

Here in Manado the churches messages are heard several times a day. They exhort people to pray at home... and in all messages a long (and loud) emphasis is done on the importance to send uang derma to the church despite not going there. If Coronavirus fills coffins it shouldn't deplete Church coffers.

The vast majority of churches here are closed, and somehow they still function. I imagine they don’t draw as much money in, because it’s harder to guilt people when they’re not around. If the pastor is the money type and he’s used to a certain level of expenditure, he might get into financial trouble.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

I wonder if this will be the event that finally makes people realise they don't need to keep giving money to religious leaders, that praying doesnt really have any effect, and that they will not actually go to hell. Without that constant daily nagging and social pressure, people might be able to think for themselves? Of course the religious establishment will do their best to stop it happening, since their whole livelihoods are at risk if people stop obeying them ...

 

[Pak Tani]

I wonder if this will be the event that finally makes people realise they don't need to keep giving money to religious leaders, that praying doesnt really have any effect, and that they will not actually go to hell. Without that constant daily nagging and social pressure, people might be able to think for themselves? Of course the religious establishment will do their best to stop it happening, since their whole livelihoods are at risk if people stop obeying them ...

People tend to become more religious at times of distress. So for those with unpure intentions this is a great moment to cash in on people's fears. Dreaming of a G5 and lotssss of money.