DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

[serious_fun]

China is not happy because they have to arrange for planes to bring home their citizens...

losing face internationally after making errors which facilitated the spread of the virus...trying to pressure countries in the region...pointing fingers and trying to blame others...trying to avoid isolation.

but cannot imagine another country will be happy if the same 'travel ban' happened to them.

The communists aren't applying travel bans and restrictions? Perhaps those hurt feelings don't apply to the locked down cities on the mainland.

Nonetheless, China has advised their citizens not to travel abroad weeks ago.

If only they had listened. ?

A horrible situation, and we expect an outbreak here in Hong Kong soon.

 

[make_batik_great_again]

According to the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids , Tobacco kills over 480,000 people in the U.S. and over 8 million worldwide each year. Smoking kills at least 214,000 people each year in Indonesia.

Imagine the serious panic if the Corona virus killed just 100,000 Indonesians. Probably topple the government.

Same applies to deaths due to alcohol. People do not behave logically, especially when it comes to fears.

Regarding tobacco...there are even pics which warn people from smoking, but so many still do it. But regarding this virus, some are so afraid that they avoid any contact to any Chinese person (change the elevator or side of the street etc.). But if the person holds a cigarette in the hand, he is probably more dangerous to the Chinese person than the other way around.

 

[serious_fun]

People do not behave logically, especially when it comes to fears.

Here in HK people are waiting for HOURS and even overnight in order to buy some face masks:

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1506748-20200205.htm?spTabChangeable=0

 

[jstar]

China has advised their citizens not to travel abroad weeks ago.

If only they had listened.

Hmm, not sure. If I would have paid for a trip and the planes would still fly? And 'vacation' has been extended anyway....probably from their perspective also safer on Bali than in PRC.

 

[dafluff]

The fact that no case of novel coronavirus has been detected in Indonesia is concerning. It is statistically unlikely, and if true nothing short of a miracle.

The problem is that if there are undetected carriers in Indonesia, they may spread the disease, and Indonesia's ability to deal with an outbreak is orders of magnitude lower than China's.

WHO concerned Indonesia appears to be coronavirus free

It comes as an Australian living in Bali, who has been diagnosed with pneumonia, criticises local testing procedures and handling of his case.

www.theage.com.au

 

[serious_fun]

The fact that no case of novel coronavirus has been detected in Indonesia is concerning. It is statistically unlikely, and if true nothing short of a miracle.

I read recently that Indonesian labs haven't had the proper reagents in order to test quickly:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/t...s-vulnerability-revealed-20200130-p53wc9.html

 

[make_batik_great_again]

Indeed, a bit strange that there is no corona case in this country. I read that in Japan for example there are already 45 infected people. Thailand 19. But Indonesia despite being a travel destination for Chinese people and also regarding trade connected to China has no cases?

 

[make_batik_great_again]

WHO concerned Indonesia appears to be coronavirus free

It comes as an Australian living in Bali, who has been diagnosed with pneumonia, criticises local testing procedures and handling of his case.

www.theage.com.au

Interesting story. If you feel really sick, the service at hospitals here can be really annoying. One time I went to a hospital because of a bowel infection. I asked them to do a chair test, but they responded that they will only do it if I stay in hospital for at least one night (I arrived in the morning, so there was no reason for staying a night). The only logical explanation was them being able to charge me more if I stay overnight.

Although feeling really sick, I left and looked for another hospital because I could not trust them after feeling getting ripped off and did not want to support that 'service'.

But the next hospital was really good. They took good care, did the necessary tests and I was 'allowed' to leave at the same day after getting the diagnose and medication. Was completely healthy after a few days.

Probably always a good idea to get information on good and bad hospitals before arriving at a new place...or at least before you get sick

 

[Dave70]

losing face internationally after making errors which facilitated the spread of the virus...trying to pressure countries in the region...pointing fingers and trying to blame others...trying to avoid isolation.

This Wuhan coronavirus is an entirely new kind of virus so nobody knows how to handle it and errors were inevitable. Anyway, Afu Thomas has a message for people like you, please take a listen.

 

[Balifrog]

Here in HK people are waiting for HOURS and even overnight in order to buy some face masks:

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1506748-20200205.htm?spTabChangeable=0

Which is completely ridiculous...

 

[waarmstrong]

Yes, there have been stories here about face masks being sold out in places like Cheyenne Wyoming

 

[jstar]

According to the BBC, Foxconn, the tech company that produces products such as the Apple iPhone, will also start to produce face masks because of the shortage. The company hopes to produce two million masks a day by the end of this month.

 

[dafluff]

A sad story out of China today, the doctor who initially warned of a possible SARS like outbreak (which later turned out to be the novel coronavirus) has succumbed to it.

Dr Li Wenliang was the first to warn his colleagues that he noticed several SARS like cases. For this he was initially reprimanded by Chinese officials.

In a bizzare subplot to this story, Dr Li, was initially declared dead at 21:30 local time and the news triggered a huge wave of popular reaction on Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter. Then apparently he was put on life support again and local media was instructed to report that he was in critical condition. He was declared dead a second time at 2:58 am.

Dr Li Wenliang was 34 years old.

'Hero who told the truth': Chinese rage over coronavirus death of whistleblower doctor

Demands for freedom of speech in the wake of Li Wenliang’s death have been censored by the authorities amid widespread outpouring of anger

www.theguardian.com

Wuhan hospital announces death of whistleblower doctor Li Wenliang

Li Wenliang, the Chinese whistleblower doctor who warned the public of a potential "SARS-like" disease in December 2019, has died, according to Wuhan Central Hospital. The confirmation follows a series of conflicting statements about his condition from the hospital and Chinese state media outlets.

edition.cnn.com

 

[dafluff]

With flights suspended to and from China, stranded Chinese citizens in Indonesia have been offered evacuation flights by their government. Even to Wuhan, where about 200 Chinese tourists in Bali are from. Unclear if there are any takers...

China offers its citizens a free flight back to coronavirus epicentre from Bali

As Australia and other countries evacuate their residents from the epicentre of the coronavirus, China is offering hundreds of its own citizens a free flight from Bali back to Wuhan.

www.abc.net.au

 

[make_batik_great_again]

In case some of you heard or read about the Canadian teen:

WNA Kanada Suspect Corona Setelah dari Indonesia, Ini Kata Kemenkes

Baru dari Indonesia, WNA Kanada tiba-tiba pingsan di Malaysia dan diduga terjangkit virus corona.

www.suara.com

There is an update on that and, therefore, officially still no corona case in or from Indonesia:

Health Minister: Canadian teen who collapsed at KLCC not a coronavirus case

PUTRAJAYA: The Canadian girl who collapsed at KLCC is not a Wuhan coronavirus (2019-nCoV) case, says Datuk Seri Dr Dzulkefly Ahmad.

www.thestar.com.my

 

[Dave70]

Indonesia says no need to test citizens evacuated from Wuhan for novel coronavirus as they are healthy

Dr Waworuntu said that it would be costly to test all those currently under quarantine.

The reagent - a compound used in chemical analysis to detect coronavirus - involved for one test would cost a billion rupiah (US$73,035), she claimed. Each person is tested at least twice to ensure accuracy.

Indonesia says no need to test citizens evacuated from Wuhan for novel coronavirus as they are healthy

JAKARTA: A senior Indonesian health official said there is no need to conduct novel coronavirus tests on citizens quarantined after being evacuated from Wuh

www.channelnewsasia.com

 

[dafluff]

Indonesia says no need to test citizens evacuated from Wuhan for novel coronavirus as they are healthy

Dr Waworuntu said that it would be costly to test all those currently under quarantine.

The reagent - a compound used in chemical analysis to detect coronavirus - involved for one test would cost a billion rupiah (US$73,035), she claimed. Each person is tested at least twice to ensure accuracy.

Indonesia says no need to test citizens evacuated from Wuhan for novel coronavirus as they are healthy

JAKARTA: A senior Indonesian health official said there is no need to conduct novel coronavirus tests on citizens quarantined after being evacuated from Wuh

www.channelnewsasia.com

I agree that there is no reason to test those people as they are a) not showing any symptoms and b) are already under quarantine. Testing would serve no purpose.

But I am dumbfounded by the cost of testing. That means that the 35,000 or so confirmed cases in China cost $2.5 billion to test so far. That seems grossly expensive.

 

[Dave70]

Does hand sanitiser prevent the spread of coronavirus?
Yes. Alcohol-based hand sanitisers are not only effective at preventing the transmission of coronavirus, but the transmission of viral infections in general. According to Public Health Canada, they need to have around 60 or 70 per cent alcohol content, which is the case for most over-the counter hand sanitisers.

Hand Sanitiser, Washing Hands Prevents Spread Of Coronavirus

Whether you have symptoms or not, hand sanitisers prevent the spread of viral infections.

www.huffingtonpost.com.au

Some years ago alcohol-based hand sanitisers were widely-available in Indonesia but now it has disappeared in many Indonesian supermarkets replaced by halal-certified products. Wet Tissues too are alcohol-free now.

“If you can’t find hand sanitizers in stores, make it yourself. Mix clean water with alcohol and carry it wherever you go,” said Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul at the conference.

Thailand encourages people to make their own hand sanitizer amid coronavirus outbreak

BANGKOK – Thailand’s health authorities on Thursday encouraged people to make hand sanitizers and masks at home to guard against the spread of the new coronavirus. Thailand, which has reporte…

nypost.com

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Apparently the reason that it hasn't taken hold in Indonesia is that the virus needs cold conditions. Singapore, with AC everywhere, is ideal for it to spread. So I would say the most dangerous places to go at the moment would be the Shangri-La or Grand Hyatt or places like that. Although even there the AC is never as cold as it is in Singapore.

 

[R Cameron]

the virus needs cold conditions.

I hadn't seen that reported yet, could you share a link to an article about that?