Big Improvement In West Java Schools

[Hawk256]

They also tell the masses to give a portion of their wealth to the Church, Mosque, Etc, to make God happy. Since when does God need money?

Islam says nothing about giving money to the Mosque. However, you are required to give 2.5% of your wealth to help the poor, including widows and orphans. Don't see how that is a bad thing. You probably spend more than that on coffee. Of course the Mosque has a donation box to help keep the lights on and the building habitable but no one is coerced into putting money into it.

 

[fastpitch17]

You know the prayer times generally change every day, right?

Sure, according to a schedule that was created by someone years down the road after the 5 times a day car drive by. Really, are the times so important or are the five times a day more important?

 

[Shadrach]

Islam says nothing about giving money to the Mosque. However, you are required to give 2.5% of your wealth to help the poor, including widows and orphans. Don't see how that is a bad thing. You probably spend more than that on coffee. Of course the Mosque has a donation box to help keep the lights on and the building habitable but no one is coerced into putting money into it.

You make it sounds so nice. Wouldn't it be great if All Muslims,Christians,Etc. were so kind and thoughtful. There would be no Wars, Hunger, and Suffering!

 

[Hawk256]

Sure, according to a schedule that was created by someone years down the road after the 5 times a day car drive by. Really, are the times so important or are the five times a day more important?

It's based on the position of the sun so there is no schedule in the traditional sense and yes the times are very important.

 

[Hawk256]

You make it sounds so nice. Wouldn't it be great if All Muslims,Christians,Etc. were so kind and thoughtful. There would be no Wars, Hunger, and Suffering!

I'm not making it sound anyway other that what it is if someone follows the Quran and Hadith.

 

[Hawk256]

His wives spent most of their time at home naked unless there was a visitor and then they covered their treasures.

This is absurd and I have no idea where you could have possible heard it. The prophet spent days traveling and days with different wives and you actually think the others just sat around naked until he came around? Seriously?

 

[Hawk256]

And why is it God only talks to the leaders, and not the common people?

Wanted to clarify this misconception as well. In Islam, other than Adam and Moses, God has never spoken directly to another prophet. Gabriel in the one that conveyed gods message to Muhammed. Faith is what gives you salvation. If you knew without a doubt that God existed, you would get no leeway in breaking the rules. Look at what happened to Adam for breaking the only rule he had.

 

[Nicho]

Why 7 mosque's in a village approximately 1 kilometer square ? 3 lavishly decorated multi story mosque's and 5 small home converted want to be's . Are there that many different sectors /interpretations of the Muslim religion ? Calls to prayer can start at 3.15am here and can still be going at 7am and on and off throughout the day with the whole prayer played over massive P/A systems , with 7 mosques constantly increasing the volume to try and be the dominate one .Evening calls or prayers start about 5pm and can be still going at 8-9pm . And they wonder why kids fall asleep during class at school and adults are in a daze all day . 95% of the population are bankrupt while the Imam/ Pendeta's etc all drive new cars and live in lavish houses that the uneducated , brainwashed pay for . 7.08pm here now and the evening call /prayers which started at 5pm have just finished , but I guarantee there will be more throughout the night . 20 years ago it was 5am and 5pm for approximately 15 minutes with a 3pm call if there had been a death but has increased both in time and volume as the amount of mosque's and self titled 'wantabe" Imam's , Pendeta's grew , 2 to 7 . I was invited to a Christmas celebration several years ago at the local Christian Church . several of the village officials , Kepala Desa , Notarias etc were also invited "all Muslim's" . They sat through the service/celebration's fiddling and talking on there I Phones and got up and walked out well before it finished ! The higher there position the ruder more self inflated they are !

 

[Hawk256]

95% of the population are bankrupt while the Imam/ Pendeta's etc all drive new cars and live in lavish houses that the uneducated , brainwashed pay for . 7.08pm here now and the evening call /prayers which started at 5pm have just finished , but I guarantee there will be more throughout the night . 20 years ago it was 5am and 5pm for approximately 15 minutes with a 3pm call if there had been a death but has increased both in time and volume as the amount of mosque's and self titled 'wantabe" Imam's , Pendeta's grew , 2 to 7

There are 5 calls per day. If you are hearing the Mosque outside of those times, it is not "normal" procedure. I have heard these complaints before but so so far never witnessed them, maybe I'm just lucky.

Not sure where you live in but most of the Imams I know are far from wealthy. I'm sure some are doing well but it's not the mosques money that made them that way. Mosques are mostly built by rich people who want the blessings of building a mosque that will give them credit even after they die. Of course some money is donated but no one is getting their arm twisted or going hungry for their donation.

 

[Shadrach]

Wanted to clarify this misconception as well. In Islam, other than Adam and Moses, God has never spoken directly to another prophet. Gabriel in the one that conveyed gods message to Muhammed. Faith is what gives you salvation. If you knew without a doubt that God existed, you would get no leeway in breaking the rules. Look at what happened to Adam for breaking the only rule he had.

OK nowI have to ask. How in the world does anyone know this for sure? Is this guy Gabriel a Prophet? And what is Adam and Moses doing in the Islamic faith? Aren't they from the Christian religion? And if you can't see, hear, feel, or touch God, then how does someone know He/She exists? Yes I said He/She. How does anyone know that God is a Man? And Not a Woman?
I'm sorry but I just can't get behind all these stories of Adam eating an Apple, and being told not to eat it by God. Then that means Adam heard God and was not a Prophet! And the snake tempting them,
And what exactly did happen with Adam and Eve? The story goes, they got kicked out of Paradise. Well at that time, since they were the only two people on the Planet, it must have been pretty clean. i would have called that a Paradise too! And they must have had a lot of Sex to start the Human race! or Moses going up to a mountain top, then coming down with the ten commandments. Maybe he was smoking the Burning bush? I don't know anything about Muhammed, or Buddha, or the Hindu Gods, or Taoist. I just heard some of the Christian stories.
Sorry, but all these stories were written by Man or a Woman, so who's to say if they're true or not.
I guess a person has to have Blind Faith, and believe these stories to be true, and that God exists and makes all the rules.

 

[Shadrach]

Why 7 mosque's in a village approximately 1 kilometer square ? 3 lavishly decorated multi story mosque's and 5 small home converted want to be's . Are there that many different sectors /interpretations of the Muslim religion ? Calls to prayer can start at 3.15am here and can still be going at 7am and on and off throughout the day with the whole prayer played over massive P/A systems , with 7 mosques constantly increasing the volume to try and be the dominate one .Evening calls or prayers start about 5pm and can be still going at 8-9pm . And they wonder why kids fall asleep during class at school and adults are in a daze all day . 95% of the population are bankrupt while the Imam/ Pendeta's etc all drive new cars and live in lavish houses that the uneducated , brainwashed pay for . 7.08pm here now and the evening call /prayers which started at 5pm have just finished , but I guarantee there will be more throughout the night . 20 years ago it was 5am and 5pm for approximately 15 minutes with a 3pm call if there had been a death but has increased both in time and volume as the amount of mosque's and self titled 'wantabe" Imam's , Pendeta's grew , 2 to 7 . I was invited to a Christmas celebration several years ago at the local Christian Church . several of the village officials , Kepala Desa , Notarias etc were also invited "all Muslim's" . They sat through the service/celebration's fiddling and talking on there I Phones and got up and walked out well before it finished ! The higher there position the ruder more self inflated they are !

Sounds torturous to me! I tried to make that point about the Priests, Amams, Pedeta's living Fat, dripping in Gold, but that was ignored, and told the pittance of money just goes to poor widow's and orphans, and fixing up the Temple. And why were all these Muslim's going to a Christian ceremony? I bet if they were rude like that at a Muslim ceremony they'd get their high and mighty Ass's kicked!

 

[Hawk256]

OK nowI have to ask. How in the world does anyone know this for sure? Is this guy Gabriel a Prophet? And what is Adam and Moses doing in the Islamic faith? Aren't they from the Christian religion? And if you can't see, hear, feel, or touch God, then how does someone know He/She exists? Yes I said He/She. How does anyone know that God is a Man? And Not a Woman?

You really don't know the first thing about Islam if you have to ask any of those questions. That is fine but be careful of parroting things you have no idea about and the misinformation it creates. Just to help you get started though, Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same god and have a lot of the same stories. Islam believes however that over time, the Torah and the Bible were corrupted by man and were no longer the word of God. The Quran was sent down to correct that. Gabriel is an angel. And finally God is not a man nor a woman. He defies human understanding according to Islam. Seriously, do at least a little research so that you can talk intelligently about the subject. Feel free to point out any issues you have but make sure that they are informed decisions, not something you heard on the internet.

 

[Bob]

Sure, according to a schedule that was created by someone years down the road after the 5 times a day car drive by. Really, are the times so important or are the five times a day more important?

Car drive by? The five daily prayers should be done at the prescribed times so they're both important.

 

[fastpitch17]

Car drive by? The five daily prayers should be done at the prescribed times so they're both important.

Who decided just when these times would be? When did the times first start being used? Are we to just assume there was a traveling sundial guy going from the early Mosque to Mosque? Are we just following the ME for times or is someone out there in the morning and evening dark searching for the sun? That's one of the oddities of Indonesia's Islam. They follow the rules created when one was in closer proximity to Mecca. Could travel there more easily. Clothing and style was developed for a hot dry area.

 

[fastpitch17]

This is absurd and I have no idea where you could have possible heard it. The prophet spent days traveling and days with different wives and you actually think the others just sat around naked until he came around? Seriously?

I read it in one of the History of Mohammed publications. It was even mentioned here that the Arabic word originally in the Quran was to cover their treasures that had been changed to cover it all referred to cover their busoms which in and of itself would apply that women were at least partially naked. Would it not?

 

[Shadrach]

You really don't know the first thing about Islam if you have to ask any of those questions. That is fine but be careful of parroting things you have no idea about and the misinformation it creates. Just to help you get started though, Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same god and have a lot of the same stories. Islam believes however that over time, the Torah and the Bible were corrupted by man and were no longer the word of God. The Quran was sent down to correct that. Gabriel is an angel. And finally God is not a man nor a woman. He defies human understanding according to Islam. Seriously, do at least a little research so that you can talk intelligently about the subject. Feel free to point out any issues you have but make sure that they are informed decisions, not something you heard on the internet.

I did say, I knew nothing about many of the things you speak of. That I only have heard some Christian fairy tales. Now you give some more juicy ones. Gabriel is an Angel! And The Quran was sent down. Sent down from Where? And please proof to me how Gabriel is an Angel. Is He White, Black, Asian, does he have Wings like all the images, is Jesus a White Man? Like I said, people that believe this, either have to be Smoking some good Weed, or have a vivid imagination, or just Blind Faith!
Myself, before I believe in something, I like to feel it, or see it with my own eyes first. For example, I have seen many Gold Statues, and Cloth with Golden threads, in Catholic Churches. And here in Bali, I have seen Elaborate Doors at the Temples, Painted with Gold. And I have seen many Catholic Priests and Mangku's wearing huge Gold rings. All of this while many of the worshipers barely can put food on their tables, but are told to give money to the Church, and Temple. And work to build these structures for free, while their children go hungry!
I cannot say anything about Islam and the Imams, because I have not been in the Mosque, or seen how they worship personally. I know some Mosque are huge and have beautiful elaborate tile work.
So Hey, if you and others want to believe these things, and pray to your Gods, be my guest. More power to You!

Sorry moderators, we seem to have gotten off track from Schools to Religion! I think it's just a reflection of our mind's. They tend to Wander!

 

[Hawk256]

I read it in one of the History of Mohammed publications. It was even mentioned here that the Arabic word originally in the Quran was to cover their treasures that had been changed to cover it all referred to cover their busoms which in and of itself would apply that women were at least partially naked. Would it not?

If that translation was correct then it may mean something like that but the translation isn't correct and even women of a harem didn't wait around naked. Just a little critical thinking should tell you to take that with a grain of salt. Not every history publication gives the facts and no one seems to agree that the word would ever have meant treasures. The closest argument would be bosom and even that is dismissed by most.

 

[Hawk256]

is Jesus a White Man?

Jesus is most definitely not a white man. You can thank Christianity for that deptiction.

 

[fastpitch17]

If that translation was correct then it may mean something like that but the translation isn't correct and even women of a harem didn't wait around naked. Just a little critical thinking should tell you to take that with a grain of salt. Not every history publication gives the facts and no one seems to agree that the word would ever have meant treasures. The closest argument would be bosom and even that is dismissed by most.

I try to eliminate salt as much as possible but maybe a grain.

The closest argument being bosom would still indicate topless. As for being dismissed by most today, well, of course it is. Can't be having the women outside their personal tents now, can we. You keep referring to interpretations. They originated from one individual who interpreted things to fit how he feels about things. A personal interpretation that spreads. Such are the Hadiths. A long list of personal interpretations. If any religion is going to have a main holy book to follow, then follow that and not assortments if personal interpretations that in most cases came hundreds of years after the main text. It isn't just Islam. How do religions even consider an interpretation of something not even mentioned in the original text? If it isn't there then really, did the author even want it to be?

 

[Shadrach]

I try to eliminate salt as much as possible but maybe a grain.

The closest argument being bosom would still indicate topless. As for being dismissed by most today, well, of course it is. Can't be having the women outside their personal tents now, can we. You keep referring to interpretations. They originated from one individual who interpreted things to fit how he feels about things. A personal interpretation that spreads. Such are the Hadiths. A long list of personal interpretations. If any religion is going to have a main holy book to follow, then follow that and not assortments if personal interpretations that in most cases came hundreds of years after the main text. It isn't just Islam. How do religions even consider an interpretation of something not even mentioned in the original text? If it isn't there then really, did the author even want it to be?

The original text was written by a Man/Woman also. Like Lewis Carroll, they were Smoking the Burning Bush, and had Stars in their Eyes!
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