Bali deports expats

[Bob]

Not going to be easy, but 'bisa' .. the governor of Bali needs to come up with some policy or measure, that's why he is looking at Bhutan. My advice .. steal the good ideas. Maybe "visa khusus Bali (VKB)" .. extra "kerja untuk imigrasi" ...

That's really not doable given Bali's location and how many foreigners are there. It's not like Aceh or Papua at the ends of the country with very few foreigners to manage.
Anyway the governor will soon enough realize if he hasn't already that such a plan isn't feasible economically either. What would they do with all the empty plebian tourist infrastructure and the unemployed?
For years they've tried to boost tourist numbers, culture and environment be damned, to get the monero. There's way too much at stake financially to abruptly put up fences.

 

[Samoerai]

No way for VKB. Absolutely impossible. Visa is not under his authority. Bali is just a province in Indonesia. He is not in the position to refuse anybody with valid documents to enter the country.
He just want to get sympathy after ridiculous u20 statement to save his a*$

There are other measures he can impose .. like 'extra tourists tax' ... done already in many places (even in Holland). Not just "incoming tourist tax" for tourists coming arriving in Bali, but tax on every service in Bali. Staying in a hotel, tourists have to pay 'tourist tax' ... that's going to hurt people who can't afford it. The governor can even impose on other things, like 'tourist tax' in restaurants or taxis ... tourist attractions.

The governor better not read my posts ... it's a damn good idea .

 

[jstar]

Nothing new under the sun. See country 15:

Daftar 25 Negara yang Terapkan Pajak Turis Mulai 2022, Ada Indonesia

Beberapa negara yang menerapkan pajak wisatawan adalah Indonesia, Amerika Serikat, Thailand, dan Perancis.

travel.kompas.com

 

[Samoerai]

Nothing new under the sun. See country 15:

Daftar 25 Negara yang Terapkan Pajak Turis Mulai 2022, Ada Indonesia

Beberapa negara yang menerapkan pajak wisatawan adalah Indonesia, Amerika Serikat, Thailand, dan Perancis.

travel.kompas.com

I see ... but this is only 1x tourists have to pay tax ... on arrival?

 

[kripik-pisang]

His initial premise is clearly wrong. Before they started to promote tourism to richer individuals, back when it was mostly backpackers and movie stars there were no real problems. So following his logic you would have to say that richer tourists are the problem.

 

[snpark]

Or new money

 

[jstar]

It all started with David Bowie…ah no in 1597 when some Dutch arrived.

 

[flavus]

Same with airlines here. Hit 30 and you are sacked. Nevermind you have the experience we need, but you look like an old hag[/airlines logic].

Not just airlines - so many job descriptions in Indonesia would be illegal in OECD countries. Specifying appearance, maximum age, marital status (eww)...

The most bizarre thing is when such job ads get posted in places that should advocate for a higher ethical standard ... like church bulletins (ok, not really that bizarre to my cynical half)

 

[Pak Tani]

Not just airlines - so many job descriptions in Indonesia would be illegal in OECD countries. Specifying appearance, maximum age, marital status (eww)...

If you compare this with the norms and values that apply in the West, you would regard it a lot as discrimination. But I don't get the impression that Indonesians themselves often feel discriminated against by such job seekers, for example.
I think that many have a thick skin or they see it as the right of the employer, for example, to look for someone who he thinks fits within the organization.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

On my laptop this week, which is controlled by my head office, there is a compulsory background picture about LGBT++ week, with pictures of various bencong etc. If a company here tried to do that and impose their beliefs on their staff it would create a huge problem. Just another example of the big cultural differences in approaches to the world of work.

 

[Balifrog]

On my laptop this week, which is controlled by my head office, there is a compulsory background picture about LGBT++ week,

The world has gone mad in the West....

What happened to freedom of opinion ?

 

[flavus]

On my laptop this week, which is controlled by my head office, there is a compulsory background picture

Wow, which country / company? Here the most IT will do is pre deploy the standard wallpapers, up to you if you want to use them or something else (as long as you don't pick something against company policy)

 

[jstar]

Dutch people no longer welcome in Bali after they banned Indonesians from running club

Two Dutch men are no longer welcome on the Indonesian island of Bali, after they allegedly did not admit Indonesians to a running club. The immigration service has imposed an entry ban on the expats.

According to Indonesian media, the two men had organized a silent disco running event on the island. Complaints soon came in that participants with Indonesian names and phone numbers were automatically rejected.

An Indonesian woman wrote on the social media platform Threads that, when she sent the organization of Entourage Bali a message to join, she received a message that her application would be reviewed. Her husband, who she said had a Western name and a foreign phone number, was immediately accepted.

The immigration service announced that foreigners are not allowed to organize events in Indonesia or act as event organizers.

The running club announced on Instagram that it was never the intention to ward off Indonesians. 'Entourage was founded to help people who are new to the island connect with others and do fun activities together during their stay. [...] Our community consists of members from many countries, including Indonesia.'

According to the organization, Indonesians even form 'the largest group of participants' in the event. 'However, we have made mistakes in the automated approval for our WhatsApp groups,' the club said.

Nederlanders niet meer welkom op Bali nadat ze Indonesiërs zouden weren uit hardloopclubje

Twee Nederlandse mannen zijn niet meer welkom op het Indonesische eiland Bali, nadat ze Indonesiërs niet zouden hebben toegelaten tot een hardloopclub. De immigratiedienst heeft de expats een inreisverbod opgelegd.

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[snpark]

The problem also was this group blocking off whole roads and areas for their fun runs and creating traffic and making undue headache and disturbance for everyone

 

[jstar]

I’m still somewhat uncertain what to think about all this.

If you’d create a group or club for people with blue eyes or from Congo or for women with obesity, you would only accept those who meet the criteria right? Would that be illegal?

This Entourage aimed at digital nomads. I could imagine very well the assumption an Indonesian in Indonesia (Bali) would probably not meet this profile.

Well -as we say in my language- it’s easy to find a stick when you want to hit a dog. So the prohibition of foreigners organizing events was a good enough reason for Imigrasi to investigate; one detail though; both Dutch have a KITAS, one on investment the other as company director.

Anyway, Stephen and myself will have to readdress our plans to organize a pride parade.

 

[snpark]

Having a group wasn't the problem
The event was.

They blocked off roads and etc etc and were apparently rude offensive racist to any and all complaints, setting off flares and shouting at locals

That was the problem

 

[Balifrog]

Anyway, let this be a warning shot for all them digital gipsies in Cangu, that this is not their country, and that they are just tolerated here....
Personally I would deport 90% of them !

 

[snpark]

Bali 'Tourist-Only' Run Club Controversy Gets International Attention

Bali’s big run club controversy was all over social media and the topic of discussion in every coffee house in Bali over the weekend.

thebalisun.com

 

[El_Goretto]

Having a group wasn't the problem
The event was.

They blocked off roads and etc etc and were apparently rude offensive racist to any and all complaints, setting off flares and shouting at locals

That was the problem

Every single running event blocks public roads. According to the organizers, they had authorisation. So if that was the case, then that's a non-issue.

I haven't seen anything regarding offensive racist remarks, or shouting at locals. Surely, this would be the bigger headline.

I'm not defending the organizers, but this feels like public hysteria, as usual. But even worse, is the general hypocrisy and racism going around. So many are jumping on the band-wagon and throwing disgusting racist remarks at tourists and other foreigners.

And then the reactionism from the immigration department, taking the high horse over enforcing legality, calling this "a state within a state". Oh please! All these visa violations have been helped by corrupt officials within the immigration department itself, some of them arrested not long ago for huge corruption and extortion scandals that had been going on for years, out in the open, because everybody knows what's going on with agents and calo.

All these people with pitch forks and so on should probably look inward first at their own problems.

And lastly, there are a million clubs in Indonesia for everything! Every single car and motorbike model (not just car brand) has their own club and community. Should I make a big deal when I can't join the Avanza Veloz Community with my Citroen C3 Aircross? And don't get me started on clubs and communities based on religion and ethnicity. It's just how clubs and communities work! If they want to accept outsiders, fine. If they don't fine as well!

Rant over.

 

[Balifrog]

Every single running event blocks public roads. According to the organizers, they had authorisation. So if that was the case, then that's a non-issue.

I haven't seen anything regarding offensive racist remarks, or shouting at locals. Surely, this would be the bigger headline.

I'm not defending the organizers, but this feels like public hysteria, as usual. But even worse, is the general hypocrisy and racism going around. So many are jumping on the band-wagon and throwing disgusting racist remarks at tourists and other foreigners.

And then the reactionism from the immigration department, taking the high horse over enforcing legality, calling this "a state within a state". Oh please! All these visa violations have been helped by corrupt officials within the immigration department itself, some of them arrested not long ago for huge corruption and extortion scandals that had been going on for years, out in the open, because everybody knows what's going on with agents and calo.

All these people with pitch forks and so on should probably look inward first at their own problems.

And lastly, there are a million clubs in Indonesia for everything! Every single car and motorbike model (not just car brand) has their own club and community. Should I make a big deal when I can't join the Avanza Veloz Community with my Citroen C3 Aircross? And don't get me started on clubs and communities based on religion and ethnicity. It's just how clubs and communities work! If they want to accept outsiders, fine. If they don't fine as well!

Rant over.

I partially agree with you.
The case of the bule husband being accepted but his Indo wife rejected, well publicized was probably the drop that caused the vase to overflow...
Arriving at a certain point of mediatization, the authorities can't simply let it go without showing they're doing something.