Are you ready for Jokowi-Prabowo 2024?

[Samoerai]

Close but no cigar, but warm for a first guess
If you google me I can tell you I am not Korean and not American or any of the other top 5 or 6 and I don't work for One and Only hotels (he died)

In fact years ago I opted out of Google search so even I myself find it difficult to look for myself sometimes

F1 signed partnership with Singapore Flyer in 2007. I just check your profile on LI. All about Bali and Dubai. Gotcha! Right?

 

[snpark]

F1 signed partnership with Singapore Flyer in 2007. I just check your profile on LI. All about Bali and Dubai. Gotcha! Right?

I have LinkedIn?? Really? Hhhhmm that's not me
Maybe a fake
I have never used it or needed it or signed up for it

 

[snpark]

But correct on F1 rocks was 2007
Paperwork was done in 2006 I believe
Somewhere I still have the tissue from Beverly Hills Hotel bungalows or it might have been the LA Downtown Hilton where we sketched out the family tree etc for the company and who would do what with Bernie and so on

 

[Samoerai]

I have LinkedIn?? Really? Hhhhmm that's not me
Maybe a fake
I have never used it or needed it or signed up for it

Yes, I could be wrong. On the LI profile it says "... with excellent communication skills".

 

[snpark]

Yes, I could be wrong. On the LI profile it says "... with excellent communication skills".

Not me then lol
Send me the link

 

[snpark]

"Please" lol

 

[Samoerai]

"Please" lol

I will send the link in DM.

 

[pantaiema]

Anies doesn't have either of the largest Muslim organizations. Without them, you have little chance.

Anies is a skilled public speaker, orator. I recall a particular instance when I watched him deliver a lengthy speech without any written notes or script. People even drew comparisons between him and Indonesia's first President, Sukarno. However, at the same time, there were doubts about the accuracy especially when naming figures, statistics of his statements.

He has a reputation for telling voters what they want to hear. An example of this is seen in post #74. Now, with his vice presidential candidate promising "Free Fuel for Motorbike Owners," it seems like a perfect pairing.

Although the vice presidential candidate comes from the National Awakening Party (PKB), which traditionally has strong ties to NU, the largest Muslim organization in Indonesia, I remember reading somewhere that NU denied that the current PKB truly represents their views.

 

[nd_eric_77]

I am warming up to the Prabowo-Gibron ticket... As far as I can see, neither of them has ties to extremist religious organizations. In my mind, the biggest issue is avoiding theocratic laws. Of course, domestic and foreign policy are important as well, but everybody tends to do the same thing on those fronts regardless of who is elected.

 

[Vulgarian]

In fact years ago I opted out of Google search so even I myself find it difficult to look for myself sometimes

As a young man I googled myself far too often and now I need glasses

 

[snpark]

As a young man I googled myself far too often and now I need glasses

So you goggled yourself

 

[pantaiema]

I am warming up to the Prabowo-Gibron ticket... As far as I can see, neither of them has ties to extremist religious organizations. In my mind, the biggest issue is avoiding theocratic laws. Of course, domestic and foreign policy are important as well, but everybody tends to do the same thing on those fronts regardless of who is elected.

In the previous general elections, PS had a strong connection with FPI and was rumored to be involved in numerous protests and unrest. However, once he secured a government position, his involvement in such activities seemed to decrease.

Individuals possess the potential for transformation, particularly when faced with consecutive electoral defeats. It's crucial to acknowledge that Joko Widodo can no longer pursue the presidency, making him a non-competitor. But Joko Widodo still retains a substantial voters, making it a prudent approach for someone aspiring to become president to nurture a strong connection with him.

Regarding tie to extremist religiose organisation, AFAIK PS continues to enjoy support and maintains a close bond with radical Muslims, although it may not be as publicly accessible as in the prior election,

CIA Front Group Preparing A "Color Revolution" In Indonesia?

An interesting read...though using dated information to form the hypothesis: LEAKED: CIA FRONT PREPARING COLOR REVOLUTION IN INDONESIA Apparently based on leaked files dispatched from the Indonesian office of the International Republican Institute (IRI) back to headquarters in Washington...

www.expatindo.org

Pengakuan Gus Yusuf: Anies Sebut Kelompok 212, FPI, dan HTI Merapat ke Prabowo |Republika Online

Kepada Gus Yusuf, Anies mengaku siap diadu dengan Prabowo dan Ganjar baca sholawatan.

news.republika.co.id

Punya Histori, Prabowo Paling Berpeluang Didukung 212 dan FPI

Pengamat politik Pangi Syarwi Chaniago menakar arah dukungan kelompok 212 dan eks FPI. Menurut dia, kelompok tersebut bakal merapat ke Prabowo Subianto

www.jpnn.com

Membaca Arah Dukungan Kelompok 212, Dinilai Cenderung Tetap Dukung Prabowo di 2024

Umam menilai dari tiga nama capres yang saat ini muncul, GNPF Ulama dan PA 212 hampir tidak mungkin mendukung bakal capres PDIP, Ganjar Pranowo.

www.liputan6.com

Prabowo, HOW LOW CAN YOU GO? Kotor bener mainnya

Ckckck. #prabowo #prabowosubianto #pa212 #rizieq ________________________________________________________________Follow us on Instagram : https://www.instagr...

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For those who has concern about corruption and human right, radical religious organisations, do your own research.

This is another article about him quite recently published in the Jakarta Post, a respected newspaper.

Once disgraced, ex-general Prabowo tipped for presidency after makeover

The two-time presidential loser announced on Sunday he will contest the post for the third time in the February election, with President Joko "Jokowi" Widodo's son as his running mate.

www.thejakartapost.com

 

[serious_fun]

Prabowo scares me. My hope is that concerns for/about international investment would temper the amount of corruption in Indo if he were to be elected.

 

[pantaiema]

Prabowo scares me. My hope is that concerns for/about international investment would temper the amount of corruption in Indo if he were to be elected.

Keep in mind that Anies was considered as an underdog when he ran against Ahok for the position of Jakarta's governor, but he emerged to be the winner.

It's unpredictable when money, religious sentiments play a role in the equation. Not to mention if you are a skilled public speaker, and have the ability to convince voters saying what they want to hear. PS although is not as talented as Anies in public speaking, but he now gets a major boost from Joko Widodo's grass root voters after selecting Joko Widodo's son, Gibran, as his running mate for vice president.

Don't overlook the strong possibility that, in this presidential election, there will likely be two rounds since no candidate is expected to secure an outright majority. In the second round, there's a significant likelihood that PS will win, as it may receive support from Anies voters, extremist religious groups, or even moderate one, and corrupt business conglomerates that might contribute to its campaign funds. The powerful businessmen have a solid interest to preserve the legacy of corruption. Only very few of Indonesian conglomerates are successful in the global market, generating profits by selling high-end products, services on a global scale. Majority are amassing wealth getting concession in exploitation of natural resources, monopolies, wasteland acquisitions, and illicit payments thorough bribery to win governmental projects.

The digital footprint, is sometimes difficult to conceal once in the public domain.
Compare and contrast this person and the party nominating them: Ente punya uang berapa" How much money do you have ?" this is the first question PS will ask to nominate someone to become governors, mayors, regents, etc

And this person and the party nominating him

In MahfudMD's nomination case, the party leader, Instead of asking about how much money could you bring, she asked him, "What do you need? Just tell us."

 

[centurion]

Prabowo scares me. My hope is that concerns for/about international investment would temper the amount of corruption in Indo if he were to be elected.

Corrupion in Indonsia in Jokowi's time went trough the roof, and Prabowo with the Crown Prince would be just a continuation of that policy.

But Prabowo as CIA trainee, would be definitevely more pro-business,international included, than the incumbent government.

 

[harryopal1]

Corrupion in Indonsia in Jokowi's time went trough the roof, and Prabowo with the Crown Prince would be just a continuation of that policy.

But Prabowo as CIA trainee, would be definitevely more pro-business,international included, than the incumbent government.

"Corrupion in Indonsia in Jokowi's time went trough the roof...." Perhaps that is because corruption was much better hidden previously. During Jokowi's presidency there has been a steady flow of arrests of department heads and other with their snouts in the trough who have been arrested, convicted and gaoled. A more "pro-business international" is likely see more cutting of corners and less regards for the environment or people disadvantaged by major developments.

 

[Hawk256]

Not saying that it is the case with current candidates but most modern elections were summed up pretty good by South Park. And it seems to hold true world wide. In the end you can choose between a douche and a turd sandwich.

 

[centurion]

"Corrupion in Indonsia in Jokowi's time went trough the roof...." Perhaps that is because corruption was much better hidden previously. During Jokowi's presidency there has been a steady flow of arrests of department heads and other with their snouts in the trough who have been arrested, convicted and gaoled. A more "pro-business international" is likely see more cutting of corners and less regards for the environment or people disadvantaged by major developments.

Probably because Jokowi administration basically dismantled the KPK in 2019, the commission for fighting against corruption, and abolished its independancy. Arrests for corruption were pretty visible 2004-2014, as the KPK was independent, and after 2019 less, or they are turned against political oponents mostly (does not mean opponents are innocent, means that they do not much investigate the supproters of the government)

Jokowi's right hand is against anti-corruption actions.

Luhut Pandjaitan's statement on KPK's caught red-handed operation sparks controversy | INSIDER - Indonesia Business Post

Coordinating Minister for Maritime Affairs and Investment Luhut Binsar Pandjaitan said the KPK's caught red-handed operation gave a negative image to the state.

indonesiabusinesspost.com

None of the presidential candidates, neither Jokowi in the last presidential campaign has the corruption as a topic.

 

[gemima]

Keep in mind that Anies was considered as an underdog when he ran against Ahok for the position of Jakarta's governor, but he emerged to be the winner.

That was because he played the old religion card and got Ahok sent to jail ultimately. I was in Jakarta during this time and had lots of chats with locals and 9/10 taxi drivers told me they would vote for Anies because he was a muslim (that they couldn't have a non-muslim leader, and not only that, Ahok insulted Islam so they all absolutely hated him...I was surprised how high the vote was for Ahok in the end!). I don't think his victory is very meaningful because of how charged that election was.
Anies does not have this advantage this time.
He is very book-smart but I think he struggles to bring any warmth across when he speaks (and I don't know anyone who thinks he was better than Ahok during his governor role). I am by no means an expert but I expect him to be 3rd when the first round of voting takes place.

 

[pantaiema]

That was because he played the old religion card and got Ahok sent to jail ultimately. I was in Jakarta during this time and had lots of chats with locals and 9/10 taxi drivers told me they would vote for Anies because he was a muslim (that they couldn't have a non-muslim leader, and not only that, Ahok insulted Islam so they all absolutely hated him...I was surprised how high the vote was for Ahok in the end!). I don't think his victory is very meaningful because of how charged that election was.

Indonesia is not theocratic states like Iran, Afghanistan, yet specific religions wield significant influence, and politicians can exploit religious sentiments. There remains a substantial segment of the population susceptible to manipulation and mobilization especially.

A notable example of this is the case of Ahok being charged with blasphemy. Those accustomed to living in more secular societies might perceive his comments as relatively insignificant. Comparing this to individuals like Anjem Choudhary, Abu Hamza, Omar Bakri Muhammad, Abu Walaa, Yacub Tadshi, Ebu Tejma, and others and their statements and actions, it becomes apparent that in other countries, or even within Indonesia, people have made more substantial remarks and actions without facing imprisonment. Just look at examples how many place of worships have been burnt.

Anies does not have this advantage this time.
He is very book-smart but I think he struggles to bring any warmth across when he speaks (and I don't know anyone who thinks he was better than Ahok during his governor role). I am by no means an expert but I expect him to be 3rd when the first round of voting takes place.

People have observed both his statements and actions during his tenure as Jakarta's Governor.
https://www.expatindo.org/community...or-jokowi-prabowo-2024.6001/page-4#post-97477 Post #74
Therefore, unless the voters make irrational decisions, I doubt he would succeed in the second round of the election.

However, as I noted in my earlier posting #112, PS may exploit and benefit from religious sentiments in the second round.