American chained up in Bali for jogging during Nyepi.

[Vanhelsing]

At least it wasn't another Australian disrespecting the Balinese this time. I think it completely reasonable for individuals such as this idiot who blatantly disrespect local traditions such as Nyepi to be placed on the next flight home, or better still, enact a law with a minimum sentence of a month inside Kerobokan. The only problem with this idea being there wouldn't be room for those serving time for more severe crimes such is the quantity of these halfwits.

By Cindy Wockner
Friday, 27 March

An American tourist in Bali has been chained up by authorities and returned to his villa after local security found him out walking the streets on Nyepi, Bali’s silent day when everyone is asked to stay inside and observe local custom.

“They detained me for 30 minutes and after discussion, they had to let me go ... it’s your religious holiday and you are hurting people because they won’t follow what you tell them, come on.”

Whilst there is no legislation to stop foreigners in Bali from venturing out on Nyepi Day, it is expected that ex-pats and visitors will obey tradition for everyone to remain inside.

full. https://7news.com.au/news/bali/coro...by-officers-for-walking-the-streets--c-767409

 

[R Cameron]

I think it completely reasonable for individuals such as this idiot who blatantly disrespect local traditions such as Nyepi to be placed on the next flight home

I'm curious if you would have the same opinion if it was a foreigner in a different part of Indonesia chained up for publicly eating food during Ramadan?

 

[Vanhelsing]

I guess my frustration lay with the seemingly endless incidents of tourists behaving badly on Bali.

 

[ChrisTex]

I'm curious if you would have the same opinion if it was a foreigner in a different part of Indonesia chained up for publicly eating food during Ramadan?

I think this is an apples and oranges argument as it is not uncommon to see people eating publicly during Ramadan. Maybe it depends where you live that might be an issue. From my experience in Jakarta and Solo, it isn't an issue.

I don't agree that everyone should be chained up for something like this, but we don't know how aggressive the guy was and chaining him up was the only way they could take him to the station by reasonable force.

 

[snpark]

He wasn't locked up for specifically being outside but for all the aggression and attitude and disrespect during the discussion during the incident when he started acting like a prick and trying to push the religious police people.
Had he just said sorry he would have been fine

Instead he became loud and obnoxious and tried forcing his way past them.

Hence the arrest

 

[R Cameron]

It sounds as though he was going out for a quiet jog, only after being confronted did it become heated, and who's fault is that? There's a difference between trying to provoke cultural and religious divide and simply going about your life quietly while others follow their culture/religion. If he was out blasting music or shouting in the street the real police could probably legitimately get involved, but if he was just jogging or walking outside quietly?

I agree that tourists (and expats) should show respect to local religions and customs, but I don't agree that their lives need to follow all the rules and standards of that religion/custom (unless it's written into actual law, I suppose). I also think that cultural/religious enforcement groups should be stripped of any semblance of authority. They're entitled to ask politely for people to follow their custom, but chaining someone up should be left for legal offenses and legal authorities.

 

[El_Goretto]

Problem is with so many tourists in Bali, if they start making exceptions then all tourists will just go about their business as usual and it's not going to be so quiet anymore.

It's just one day, don't be a dick about it.

 

[snpark]

You should watch the full unedited video then

 

[snpark]

Part of the reason tourists go to bali is for the culture so why complain when they get there. Ubud would be great with more casinos. Etc etc and everyone knows Nyepi is enforced strictly. I mean they even close the airport and the internet

And as posted, he was arrested for the aftermath not for just being outside

 

[vocalneal]

But yes as stated should just have apologized and gone back home. But normal rules don't apply to him. Just another self righteous, self engrossed American. Many of them about.

 

[IndoTom]

At least it wasn't another Australian disrespecting the Balinese this time. I think it completely reasonable for individuals such as this idiot who blatantly disrespect local traditions such as Nyepi to be placed on the next flight home, or better still, enact a law with a minimum sentence of a month inside Kerobokan. The only problem with this idea being there wouldn't be room for those serving time for more severe crimes such is the quantity of these halfwits.

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By Cindy Wockner
Friday, 27 March

An American tourist in Bali has been chained up by authorities and returned to his villa after local security found him out walking the streets on Nyepi, Bali’s silent day when everyone is asked to stay inside and observe local custom.

“They detained me for 30 minutes and after discussion, they had to let me go ... it’s your religious holiday and you are hurting people because they won’t follow what you tell them, come on.”

Whilst there is no legislation to stop foreigners in Bali from venturing out on Nyepi Day, it is expected that ex-pats and visitors will obey tradition for everyone to remain inside.

full. https://7news.com.au/news/bali/coro...by-officers-for-walking-the-streets--c-767409

This is a prime example of extremists implementing religious Sharia (law) on people of other faiths.

 

[Balifrog]

This is a prime example of extremists implementing religious Sharia (law) on people of other faiths.

Come on, it's ONE day per year... Whats the point of trying to defy the rule just for the fun it ? Maybe one of those US Youtubers that try to piss off police bragging on their rights of this and that ?

And as in ANY country, if you dont like the rulez , just move on.
This kind of guys just contribute to give a bad reputation that later reflects on all bulé.

A bit like the Bogans who think tattoos can replace a shirt in a restaurant.....

 

[snpark]

Or the people who complain a small road is closed for a few hours for a funeral or wedding ceremony and want to start a fight about it

 

[rabbit_39]

Or the people who complain a small road is closed for a few hours for a funeral or wedding ceremony and want to start a fight about it

It's a slippery slope You say that about a few illegal road closures, then when they close the road in front of your house, and you can't leave for emergencies, you'll just wait a few hours? I'm sure you will.

Breaking the rules for personal gain.... Isn't that the description for corruptors?

Rules are rules. You bend them, you go right up to them but you never break them without a good reason. And personal gains are never a good reason.

 

[rabbit_39]

This is a prime example of extremists implementing religious Sharia (law) on people of other faiths.

Well, to be honest, don't think about it as a tourist coming there for the week. But think of the locals who live there who don't practice the religion. If you're saying the tourists are inconvenienced and oppressed religiously for that one day, think of the locals who live there and have been inconvenienced and oppressed all their lives.

 

[atlantis]

You should watch the full unedited video then

Do you have a link to it?

 

[snpark]

I know plenty of happy Muslims in Bali. Even wearing hijab. One is a young girl married to a Canadian. And she's perfectly happy living there and accepted by all

 

[snpark]

Atlantis not a specific link but after the story went viral there's numerous videos on YouTube shot from different phones and angles

 

[snpark]

Well re the road closures etc that's part of Asian culture and community. Not just here but Thailand etc. And we talking kampung / semi kampung. If it was a real emergency like an elderly getting sick or pregnant woman and you explained, I'm pretty sure they would all assist and probably carry your car out over the chairs.

Besides I don't see anyone moaning when the Lamborghini club of Indonesia blocks the road so they can do rolling photoshoot?
Like I said, if these things bother you, Asia is not for you. Embrace it as part of the community.

In the UK it only happens when the Queen has some silver jubilee or they win the World Cup. The last of which was 1977 I think?

 

[rabbit_39]

Like I said, if these things bother you, Asia is not for you. Embrace it as part of the community.

It should bother everyone not just me or a few people. Breaking the law for personal benefits should never be "part of the community". Perhaps that's why corruption is so rampant, AND acceptable in Asia.