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[fastpitch17]

US / CIA involvement in overthrowing governments, rigging elections, invading countries

United States involvement in regime change - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

To make it easier go directly to the 1945 / 1991 period...
And then 1991 till now.

US is the worst bully on earth.

At least they are more transparent about it. Russia, China, N. Korea, and Iran all run their tech savvy influencers around the world. Their hacking is no different when it comes to disruptions and espionage that anything the US has done. I think Putin probably leads in the assassination category. Israel is right up there too for not minding their own business.

Sure, the CIA has some successes and some failures. Why not count the people who have celebrated the successes and the ones who were disappointed with the failures?

 

[fastpitch17]

And none of this has anything to do with one conspiracy nut thinking the US is going to remove Prabowo.

If there is anything interesting to watch in Indonesian politics it will be the race for dynasties here. Jokowi' son with Prabowo relative running for Jakarta governor and what looks to be Jokowi's son in law vs Ahok for N. Sumatra governor. Might as well follow something interesting.

 

[Balifrog]

Sure, the CIA has some successes and some failures. Why not count the people who have celebrated the successes and the ones who were disappointed with the failures?

Can you tell me, among the Wiki list of US interventions since 1945 above, which one made the invaded people happy ?

 

[Dave70]

At least they are more transparent about it. Russia, China, N. Korea, and Iran all run their tech savvy influencers around the world. Their hacking is no different when it comes to disruptions and espionage that anything the US has done. I think Putin probably leads in the assassination category. Israel is right up there too for not minding their own business.

Sure, the CIA has some successes and some failures. Why not count the people who have celebrated the successes and the ones who were disappointed with the failures?

American apologist, as Marianne Williamson said "let's end toxic masculinity cowboy stuff".

 

[MamangDudul]

Can you tell me, among the Wiki list of US interventions since 1945 above, which one made the invaded people happy ?

Also why should 1.4 Billion chinese people not be happy then? Hey, if all the hacking and what not brings their country advantages..so why not?

 

[Pak Tani]

United States involvement in regime change - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Thanks for the link, interesting read. Allow me to quote:

Starting in 1957, Eisenhower ordered the CIA to overthrow Sukarno. ....The CIA instructed CAT pilots to target commercial shipping in order to frighten foreign merchant ships away from Indonesian waters, thereby weakening the Indonesian economy and thus destabilizing the government of Indonesia. The CIA aerial bombardment resulted in the sinking of several commercial ships and the bombing of a marketplace that killed many civilians. Pope was shot down and captured on 18 May 1958, revealing U.S. involvement, which Eisenhower publicly denied at the time. The rebellion was ultimately defeated by 1961.

I do not understand why some people keep downplaying the atrocities committed by their country (by comparing it to Russia, China, and North Korea.)

 

[John indonesia]

Yep, Allan Pope was following orders during a war. In the end he became a valuable asset for Sukarno to get weapons and planes from the US.

Can you name the war, please? A document showing the declaration of war, or just news from the time showing how the war started will be fine

 

[John indonesia]

The others are PDF files. I won't open them on my phone so will wait until I get home. I don't trust links because someone might slip some undesirable things in them. Have more protection at home.

They are CIA files so your point is a valid concern

 

[Dave70]

I see fastpitch17 hit a dislike for my above.
Why?

I probably hold the record in this forum for getting the most dislike/disagree on past threads discussing China and Russia, but I kept going. And never hit those buttons myself on anyone... so far.

 

[fastpitch17]

Can you name the war, please? A document showing the declaration of war, or just news from the time showing how the war started will be fine

So you read nothing about Allan Pope yourself. Figures.

 

[fastpitch17]

They are CIA files so your point is a valid concern

I have no problems with who initiated the original post. They didn't post it in this forum now, did they?

 

[fastpitch17]

I probably hold the record in this forum for getting the most dislike/disagree on past threads discussing China and Russia, but I kept going. And never hit those buttons myself on anyone... so far.

I have maybe given out 2 since this forums inception. This is the only one who cried about it. Boo hoo.

 

[MamangDudul]

I have maybe given out 2 since this forums inception. This is the only one who cried about it. Boo hoo.

The internet age, why do we even care if we get a red or green symbol from someone. Like it means anything. It's just a quick way agree or disagree, then we can discuss or not. Someone will always agree or disagree with us.

 

[John indonesia]

I probably hold the record in this forum for getting the most dislike/disagree on past threads discussing China and Russia, but I kept going. And never hit those buttons myself on anyone... so far.

I generally prefer the 'like' button.

 

[John indonesia]

I have maybe given out 2 since this forums inception. This is the only one who cried about it. Boo hoo.

Cried ? I simply suggests your reasons for the dislike were rendered invalid after I posted the CIA links.
It was you who expressed distrust in the CIA and claimed their PDF files might well contain malware

 

[John indonesia]

I have no problems with who initiated the original post. They didn't post it in this forum now, did they?

Perhaps you can explain why you distrust the CIA

 

[John indonesia]

So you read nothing about Allan Pope yourself. Figures.

Other than his history of terrorist bombings and his return to service without any punishment for multiple murders, not much.
Why are you supporting a murderer?

 

[harryopal1]

DISTRUST EVERYONE!

 

[fastpitch17]

Perhaps you can explain why you distrust the CIA

Who said I distrust the CIA. I was referring to who put the links in this forum. You of course. Why should I trust you?

 

[fastpitch17]

Other than his history of terrorist bombings and his return to service without any punishment for multiple murders, not much.
Why are you supporting a murderer?

Who are you calling a murderer? How can you say that about someone following the orders of their nation? That is the same as calling all the uniformed men and women of the armed forces murderers. How dare you call those that are willing to give their lives for their nation murderers? That is as low as one can go. You should be ashamed.