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As an American I can say that the US has no culture. Sure, the Indians did and have some semblance of it yet. As for the masses, nope. One might say that this group has this and that group has that and another group is this. Put them together as Americans, you have American soup. A taste of this and a taste of that but together. They are soup.
 
Gee Fastpitch 17 you are sounding like the grumpy old man in your picture... Not without good reason. I see today that at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore the Chinese Defence Minister Dong Jun has declared Beijing will use force to stop Taiwanese independence. He also spoke threateningly about the Philippines and protecting China's sovereignty in the South China Sea. It looks like China's assessment is that America is weakening as a major power.
 
Gee Fastpitch 17 you are sounding like the grumpy old man in your picture... Not without good reason. I see today that at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore the Chinese Defence Minister Dong Jun has declared Beijing will use force to stop Taiwanese independence. He also spoke threateningly about the Philippines and protecting China's sovereignty in the South China Sea. It looks like China's assessment is that America is weakening as a major power.
China may be thinking that the US's involvement in Ukraine with weapons and how they are sending arms to Israel weakens the US supply for their own use. I think even China knows that militaristicly, they are not in a position to take on the US.
 
China may be thinking that the US's involvement in Ukraine with weapons and how they are sending arms to Israel weakens the US supply for their own use. I think even China knows that militaristicly, they are not in a position to take on the US.
Yes, I don't think they are eager to take on the US but probably see it as a good time to push hard on their own agenda while the US is preoccupied with its internal politics.
 
I daresay the present PRC leadership probably shares the expressed view of Mao that in the event of conflict it didn't matter if they lost a million people which makes it tougher to guess just how confrontational the US is prepared to be.
 
I daresay the present PRC leadership probably shares the expressed view of Mao that in the event of conflict it didn't matter if they lost a million people which makes it tougher to guess just how confrontational the US is prepared to be.
It would take place at sea and in the air. If those millions start swimming like fish or flying the US may get worried. How long has China been rattling the swords and saying our way or else.
 
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It would take place at sea and in the air. If those millions start swimming like fish or flying the US may get worried. How long has China been rattling the swords and saying our way or else.

Yes don't cross that red line, the one that Biden uses for Gaza
 
Americans for a lack of culture this same country has a long history of producing great cultural contributors across the whole spectrum of the arts.
Second cup of tea spilled....
Don't you realize that France, England, Germany, China, Japan, Korea all have a cultural history going back 100's if not 1000's of years ?
 
China may be thinking that the US's involvement in Ukraine with weapons and how they are sending arms to Israel weakens the US supply for their own use. I think even China knows that militaristicly, they are not in a position to take on the US.
China doesn't want to confront or invade the US.
They just try to make you understand "Yankee, stay home and don't try to mess in my turf"
And rigthly so.
Besides that, anybody that reads a bit of history knows that Taiwan historically belongs to China !
Tian Kai Chek, his army and followers came from China after losing the civil war against Mao ....
 
China doesn't want to confront or invade the US.
They just try to make you understand "Yankee, stay home and don't try to mess in my turf"
And rigthly so.
Besides that, anybody that reads a bit of history knows that Taiwan historically belongs to China !
Tian Kai Chek, his army and followers came from China after losing the civil war against Mao ....
The original inhabitants of Taiwan may not agree.
 
Different times and quite long time ago, during the cold war.

In Wikileaks we can see that Indonesia is pretty irrelevant these days for the CIA and rarely mentioned . Ascencion of China could change this though, and need for buffer states in the region (Indonesia is on of the last neutral bufffer states remaining in the world).
I disagree.
The CIA (Using the NED, IRI, USAID, and others) tried to interfere with the last election and are still active in a large number of Indonesian groups.
They failed and their man lost all credibility with pretty much everyone.

However, if you read a few press outlets that are involved with the above, the anti-government stories are there.
One came up about air con units being scarce due to government regulations - That was an out and out lie. Only three outlets printed that story whilst the rest gave it the attention it deserved - None because it was a lie.
The truth is the industry was opposed to the regulations and suggested they might cause supply difficulties - Not there were shortages.

Chinese investment in Indonesia is extremely high and, more importantly, Chinese companies have pretty much bought up Indonesia's nickel reserves.
Let's move to BRICS. Indonesia is a major player in ASEAN and is pushing to dump the US Dollar. That will have an impact on the US domestic economy sooner or later.
Add Indonesia's position on out little blue ball, and control of Indonesia means control (or blockade) of China's oil imports, and most of that country's exports.

In other words, Indonesia is central to US foreign policy in the region.
 
Who are you calling a murderer? How can you say that about someone following the orders of their nation? That is the same as calling all the uniformed men and women of the armed forces murderers. How dare you call those that are willing to give their lives for their nation murderers? That is as low as one can go. You should be ashamed.
I say Pope is a murderer because he dropped bombs on civilians and killed them
I say Tim McVeigh is a murderer because he dropped bombs on civilians and killed them.
I say Khan and his killers are murderers because they dropped bombs on civilians and killed them (London).

There was no war, but there was a terrorist campaign in each case.
Pope is a criminal just like the others, and deserves the death penalty, just as they others did.

Being your terrorist is no excuse, he's still a terrorist murderer.
Khan ordered the London killing as the CIA (and probably US president) ordered the Indonesian murders.
Khan was guilty of doing exactly the same as your president.
Why is one wrong but the other acceptable?
 
Who said I distrust the CIA. I was referring to who put the links in this forum. You of course. Why should I trust you?
They were CIA sites.
It makes no difference who posts them, you said you didn't trust the links.
Can we now agree, the CIA did as I claimed - The CIA says it's fact, so perhaps you can rethink your opinion.
 
I said "compared with the US" !

US : see the above list....
Cuba, Panama, Granada, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan...just to mention a handfull

Overthrowing other people’s governments: The Master List

By William Blum

Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)

  • China 1949 to early 1960s
  • Albania 1949-53
  • East Germany 1950s
  • Iran 1953 *
  • Guatemala 1954 *
  • Costa Rica mid-1950s
  • Syria 1956-7
  • Egypt 1957
  • Indonesia 1957-8
  • British Guiana 1953-64 *
  • Iraq 1963 *
  • North Vietnam 1945-73
  • Cambodia 1955-70 *
  • Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
  • Ecuador 1960-63 *
  • Congo 1960 *
  • France 1965
  • Brazil 1962-64 *
  • Dominican Republic 1963 *
  • Cuba 1959 to present
  • Bolivia 1964 *
  • Indonesia 1965 *
  • Ghana 1966 *
  • Chile 1964-73 *
  • Greece 1967 *
  • Costa Rica 1970-71
  • Bolivia 1971 *
  • Australia 1973-75 *
  • Angola 1975, 1980s
  • Zaire 1975
  • Portugal 1974-76 *
  • Jamaica 1976-80 *
  • Seychelles 1979-81
  • Chad 1981-82 *
  • Grenada 1983 *
  • South Yemen 1982-84
  • Suriname 1982-84
  • Fiji 1987 *
  • Libya 1980s
  • Nicaragua 1981-90 *
  • Panama 1989 *
  • Bulgaria 1990 *
  • Albania 1991 *
  • Iraq 1991
  • Afghanistan 1980s *
  • Somalia 1993
  • Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
  • Ecuador 2000 *
  • Afghanistan 2001 *
  • Venezuela 2002 *
  • Iraq 2003 *
  • Haiti 2004 *
  • Somalia 2007 to present
  • Honduras 2009 *
  • Libya 2011 *
  • Syria 2012
  • Ukraine 2014 *
 
Overthrowing other people’s governments: The Master List

By William Blum

Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)

  • China 1949 to early 1960s
  • Albania 1949-53
  • East Germany 1950s
  • Iran 1953 *
  • Guatemala 1954 *
  • Costa Rica mid-1950s
  • Syria 1956-7
  • Egypt 1957
  • Indonesia 1957-8
  • British Guiana 1953-64 *
  • Iraq 1963 *
  • North Vietnam 1945-73
  • Cambodia 1955-70 *
  • Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
  • Ecuador 1960-63 *
  • Congo 1960 *
  • France 1965
  • Brazil 1962-64 *
  • Dominican Republic 1963 *
  • Cuba 1959 to present
  • Bolivia 1964 *
  • Indonesia 1965 *
  • Ghana 1966 *
  • Chile 1964-73 *
  • Greece 1967 *
  • Costa Rica 1970-71
  • Bolivia 1971 *
  • Australia 1973-75 *
  • Angola 1975, 1980s
  • Zaire 1975
  • Portugal 1974-76 *
  • Jamaica 1976-80 *
  • Seychelles 1979-81
  • Chad 1981-82 *
  • Grenada 1983 *
  • South Yemen 1982-84
  • Suriname 1982-84
  • Fiji 1987 *
  • Libya 1980s
  • Nicaragua 1981-90 *
  • Panama 1989 *
  • Bulgaria 1990 *
  • Albania 1991 *
  • Iraq 1991
  • Afghanistan 1980s *
  • Somalia 1993
  • Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
  • Ecuador 2000 *
  • Afghanistan 2001 *
  • Venezuela 2002 *
  • Iraq 2003 *
  • Haiti 2004 *
  • Somalia 2007 to present
  • Honduras 2009 *
  • Libya 2011 *
  • Syria 2012
  • Ukraine 2014 *


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