Vaccine effectiveness and Herd Immunity

[macvert]

A good dose of common sense, and not watching too much TV or social shit media is usually enough to have a fair idea of what makes sense and what not.

Agree totally, I didn't own a TV for years before I left Australia & not into social media at all. One thing I do miss though is ABC talk back radio, real people talking about real stuff.

I could podcast or stream ABC radio I suppose but I'm not really into it, so IndoExpat will have to do ....

 

[Nimbus]

And for my curiosity, I read many of the posts in here. Seems like every body are scientist... but how many exactly that really in the field and deal with the research?

I was wondering when this argument would arrive, because it arrived early on other forums. Fear not, I have the answer.

The overwhelming consensus by doctors and medical scientists is that Covid vaccines are relatively safe and necessary. For the most part I’m only reiterating their points, despite not being one.

Now.

Those of you who are anti vaccination. What are your scientific credentials? What makes you competent to say that the vaccines do more harm than good?

I’m waiting.

 

[Balifrog]

Interesting ......

 

[Dave70]

Interesting ......

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I didn't know there are 14 variants already, some variants I never heard of, like Epsilon and Eta.

Anyway, I guess that's the privilege of being wealthy, a wealthy country that is.

 

[Dave70]

I’m waiting.

You will be waiting in vain. I suggest you name names.

 

[nosox]

Omicron is an anagram of moronic
This means absolutely nothing. I just put it here to lighten a heavy thread

 

[Vulgarian]

Strap-on backwards is no parts

 

[Missnaughty]

I was wondering when this argument would arrive, because it arrived early on other forums. Fear not, I have the answer.

The overwhelming consensus by doctors and medical scientists is that Covid vaccines are relatively safe and necessary. For the most part I’m only reiterating their points, despite not being one.

Now.

Those of you who are anti vaccination. What are your scientific credentials? What makes you competent to say that the vaccines do more harm than good?

I’m waiting.

Please note. I am not anti vaccine. I am against the mandate. FYI, we do not need a credential to ask “the scientist” more proof that show the vaccine is efective. IT IS THEIR JOB (who has the credential) to give us 100% assurement that the vaccine will work. So far, I do not see the vaccine work and those who do have real credential to answer gave information that always change. Until now… I do not even know what the heck that vaccine gonna do to our body. Even my doctor can answer that question.. they all just said it is safe.

Do I really need a credential of a scientist to ask for assurement and proof???

 

[Missnaughty]

"It could be worse if there are no vaccine." But, how do we know if there is nothing to compare? The ones who died are those who were in old age and have underlying conditions. Isn't is the same as those who died unvaccinated? old age and underlying conditions.

And with the virus keep mutating, how our body will react after the mRna vaccine injection? is there enough research and study? @Nimbus, I dont have knowledge and credentials, therefore I questioned the ones who has the credentials and knowledge. And as you know, CDC and FDA have not given satisfactory answers!

COVID surge in Singapore despite 80 percent vaccination

The government had begun lifting restrictions, having adopted a “living with Covid” policy, but has been forced to reverse course in a bid to slow the rapid rise of cases.

www.wsws.org

 

[R Cameron]

Your willful ignorance is exhuasting.

 

[Nimbus]

Please note. I am not anti vaccine. I am against the mandate. FYI, we do not need a credential to ask “the scientist” more proof that show the vaccine is efective. IT IS THEIR JOB (who has the credential) to give us 100% assurement that the vaccine will work. So far, I do not see the vaccine work and those who do have real credential to answer gave information that always change. Until now… I do not even know what the heck that vaccine gonna do to our body. Even my doctor can answer that question.. they all just said it is safe.

Do I really need a credential of a scientist to ask for assurement and proof???

Your failure of logic is breathtaking.

You demand scientific credentials from anybody advocating the vaccine, yet you say that nobody needs such credential when questioning it.

It doesn’t work that way.

 

[Balifrog]

A new record broken ?
Trials will probably be done "live", directly on the population ?

• Moderna Chief Medical Officer Paul Burton sees a possibility that the new coronavirus variant may elude current vaccines and believes the drugmaker can have a reformulated one by early 2022.
• “If we have to make a brand new vaccine, I think that’s going to be early 2022 before that’s really going to be available in large quantities,” Burton said on the BBC’s “Andrew Marr Show," according to a Bloomberg report. "The remarkable thing about the mRNA vaccines, the Moderna platform, is that we can move very fast."

 

[Missnaughty]

Your failure of logic is breathtaking.

You demand scientific credentials from anybody advocating the vaccine, yet you say that nobody needs such credential when questioning it.

It doesn’t work that way.

I wouldn’t ask if I work in the field and have the credential. I would be the one who tell people.

Like I said.. FDA and CDC do not help either.

 

[waarmstrong]

Now, now, now; let's leave the name calling to the Trumpies.

 

[Missnaughty]

Now, now, now; let's leave the name calling to the Trumpies.

This is people’s problem.. they are too scared to ask question.. because they are afraid to be labeled as Trumpies or Fox News fans or Tucker’s followers . I know I am not..

Anyone count how many times “the authorities” and the vaccine makers have changed their fact on vaccine that they made?

 

[Nimbus]

I wouldn’t ask if I work in the field and have the credential. I would be the one who tell people.

Like I said.. FDA and CDC do not help either.

Yet here you are sarcastically calling forum member as experts, implying that we can’t support Covid vaccines without having scientific credentials.

If we’re not qualified in supporting the vaccines without having credentials, you are not qualified to question it without having the same credentials. On the flip side, If you can question it without being a scientist, then we can support it without being a scientist.

There is a name for your behavior, it’s called Double Standard.

 

[Missnaughty]

Yet here you are sarcastically calling forum member as experts, implying that we can’t support Covid vaccines without having scientific credentials.

If we’re not qualified in supporting the vaccines without having credentials, you are not qualified to question it without having the same credentials. On the flip side, If you can question it without being a scientist, then we can support it without being a scientist.

There is a name for your behavior, it’s called Double Standard.

You are full of negative thoughts. My question is just an honest question not trying to be satcastic, as I’ve seen so many people trying to explain the vaccine and the disease scientifically … made me wonder no? Seems like everyone are the virus expert.. as for me… and you saw my post all based on common knowledge and logic of 1+1 = 2. I am using a simple logic and simple question. It should be answered with simple answer.. yes or no. Not maybe…

1. Does the vaccine work? They said yes
If yes, why are we still in the same condition as before? People still die after receiving the vaccine. The one who died are still the old age and people with underlying condition. Many of the unvaccinated survived. So?

2. Have the scientist done enough research of the mRna technology of the long term side effect to human body after receiving the vaccine?

3. Is it fair to mandate a vaccine that still have uncertain fact? Please compare this vaccine against flu vaccine, tbc, whooping cough…

Do I really need to have credential to throw these questions to public?

 

[R Cameron]

I refuse to use seatbelts or birth control since neither is 100% effective.

 

[Nimbus]

And for my curiosity, I read many of the posts in here. Seems like every body are scientist... but how many exactly that really in the field and deal with the research?

You are full of negative thoughts. My question is just an honest question not trying to be satcastic, as I’ve seen so many people trying to explain the vaccine and the disease scientifically … made me wonder no? Seems like everyone are the virus expert.. as for me… and you saw my post all based on common knowledge and logic of 1+1 = 2. I am using a simple logic and simple question. It should be answered with simple answer.. yes or no. Not maybe…

1. Does the vaccine work? They said yes
If yes, why are we still in the same condition as before? People still die after receiving the vaccine. The one who died are still the old age and people with underlying condition. Many of the unvaccinated survived. So?

2. Have the scientist done enough research of the mRna technology of the long term side effect to human body after receiving the vaccine?

3. Is it fair to mandate a vaccine that still have uncertain fact? Please compare this vaccine against flu vaccine, tbc, whooping cough…

Do I really need to have credential to throw these questions to public?

You don’t get to question our credentials when your only defense is “common knowledge and logic”, especially after you demonstrated that your logic is highly suspect.

 

[dafluff]

Seems like everyone are the virus expert.. as for me… and you saw my post all based on common knowledge and logic of 1+1 = 2. I am using a simple logic and simple question. It should be answered with simple answer.. yes or no. Not maybe…

This is forum is called ExpatIndo, not VirusExperts. So it is weird of you to come here and ask for credentials. If you really need to see credentials to satisfy your questions, I suggest you Google a relevant forum and ask there?

1. Does the vaccine work? They said yes
If yes, why are we still in the same condition as before? People still die after receiving the vaccine. The one who died are still the old age and people with underlying condition. Many of the unvaccinated survived. So?

It has been explained to you several times how it can be shown that vaccination reduces death and severe illness. Here is one, earlier in the thread: https://expatindo.org/community/threads/vaccine-effectiveness-and-herd-immunity.6234/#post-79158

That you are unable or refuse to grasp the explanation is your problem. I don't think you are actually this ignorant, so I'm thinking you're trolling.