The US presidential debate - Trump Biden!

Trump's misstatements included that as president he would have capped the cost of insulin before Biden did, that Democratic states allow executing babies after birth, that there were no terrorist attacks during his presidency, that Biden wanted to quadruple people's taxes and that Biden had him (Trump) legally prosecuted.

Trump also claimed that millions of migrants in the country are coming from prisons and mental institutions and are engaging in widespread “murder and rape” of American citizens. However, crime rates in the US are lower among migrants than among US citizens.

Biden also made some incorrect claims. For example, he said that Trump had been convicted because he had sex with a porn star. Also, Biden said Trump had sex with Daniels while his wife was pregnant. (Melania had a young child in 2006, but was not pregnant.)
Biden had a few more including that no US troops died on his watch and about Trump's comments on Charlottesville.
Neither one of them paid much attention to truth.
 
I guess you have some reading to do.


Of course now you will counter with some alternative facts from reputable sources as NYP, Telegram, Truth Social, … 🤦🏼‍♂️
This is actually directed at who?

I hope not at me.

It's cool that you know all these alternative sources, I personally don't know them without googling. Except for Telegram, everyone knows it by now. The thing is I don't use it and never gave a damn about it.

Shadrach said if Trump wins again he will bring HAVOC TO THE WORLD. A pretty big statement, that's why I asked what other presidents did a better job for OUR WORLD. Doesn't look too good now also, but of course that is only Putins fault, I know.

About your cool and totally fact checked and serious, official link. How the economy or whatever looks in America or what a specific president did better or worse compared to another one, in America, is debatable and a whole other thing than bringing havoc to the world.

Again, the west more or less is on a downward spiral and people wanna tell me that Trump is responsible for ALL of that? Yeah, saying that can't be much worse than the stuff they write on your alternative sources.

It's just the result of the decades long BS the politicians did. Yeah sure, some made this or that a little bit better or worse than others. But here we are....

Both, Biden and Trump, are fools. They might be fools in different ways, but Iam not for anyone of them.
 
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The only job Biden had to do was be more electable than Trump. When you can't even pull that off, you know something is wrong.
 
Trump ended the Afghanistan war ! Give him that !
He basically surrendered with poor terms. Biden could have done better but he rushed to get out before, as they say, an auspicious date, and ended up with a debacle.
 
Just interested what havoc did he bring on the world in his first period? And what good things have Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton and so on brought to the world?
Well, let's see. First, what all did trump promise. Stacking the supreme court with conservative anti abortion justices. Success. Making more NATO nations pay their fair share. Success. A major tax cut which ended up enriching the wealthy even more. Trump said is would create jobs. It did no such thing. Trump claimed his success in increasing the stick market faster than anyone. False. During his presidency has been proven to lie around 30,000 times. Gave Russia classified information obtained by Israel. Had no records private meetings with Putin. Claimed Putin was more reliable than the US intelligence service. Promised an infrastructure bill but with both the house and Senate republican led for 2 years, did nothing. Overcharged the secret service for accomodations in his own properties. Profited off foreign dignitaries staying in his properties. Took more days to play golf than any president took off for anything. Was verbally laughed at by groups of other nations. Added trillions to the federal defecit. Buddied up to foreign dictators while insulting democratic leaders. Gave north Korea world recognition and became lovers with Kim in their letters. Tried to put in a total Muslim ban that was forced to only be selective countries that he didn't do personal business in. Caused millions of deaths by totally mis managing the pandemic and playing politics with it by selling ppe and limiting and delaying ppe to blue states. Tried to extort Ukraine for false information on Biden. Put the US in a position of not being trusted by other friendly nations. Insulted any nation where the residents were not white. Instigated a domestic attack on the US capital and praised those doing the attacking. Having the power to stop it but refusing to do so. Removing numerous classified document to his mar a Lago. Encouragingly those that wanted to hang his own voice president. Made deals with the Taliban without Afghanistan government involvement allowing the release of thousands of Taliban fighters released from prison to fight again. Making timeline deals with the Taliban that whoever was the next president would have to keep. Scheduling a meeting with the Taliban on 9/11 in the US. That got canceled fast. I could go on.

Biden got an infrastructure bill passed with a mostly partisan vote. Not all he wanted but a lot of infrastructure replaced, repaired, or built new. Tried to improve the Southern boarder problem but the Republicans who were in favor of the exact same plan voted against saying that trump wanted it failed so he could campaign on it. Crime is lower under Biden than it was under trump. The stock market climbed faster under Biden than trump and reached record highs. He negotiated price reductions for insulin for seniors and then many other medications. Those reductions are coming for everyone next. Stood up to the world's dictators. Aided Ukraine along with a coalition of nations in stopping Russia from taking their nation in a push to reclaim the Soviet union. Brought some class back to the US presidency along with some trust from other nations. Read all about it.
 
They are reporting that after the debate Biden's rallies were robust and strong. Excuse for the debate performance was that it was really hard and unsettlingly disruptive to debate someone constantly lying. While the moderators fact checked no one, Biden should have fact checked trump more. He was surely flustered. It is said that a debate changes no one's vote. Maybe not and with such a short time until the election, it is almost impossible to change candidates. Some states it is already too late according to their voting rules so if they changed it would still only be Biden as the democratic choice. So, it will be Biden come November so maybe it's time to go out and actually find those performance enhancing drugs he was being accused of being on before the debate. Sure proved all those people wrong. Maybe get some of what trump takes.
 
Well, let's see. First, what all did trump promise. Stacking the supreme court with conservative anti abortion justices. Success. Making more NATO nations pay their fair share. Success. A major tax cut which ended up enriching the wealthy even more. Trump said is would create jobs. It did no such thing. Trump claimed his success in increasing the stick market faster than anyone. False. During his presidency has been proven to lie around 30,000 times. Gave Russia classified information obtained by Israel. Had no records private meetings with Putin. Claimed Putin was more reliable than the US intelligence service. Promised an infrastructure bill but with both the house and Senate republican led for 2 years, did nothing. Overcharged the secret service for accomodations in his own properties. Profited off foreign dignitaries staying in his properties. Took more days to play golf than any president took off for anything. Was verbally laughed at by groups of other nations. Added trillions to the federal defecit. Buddied up to foreign dictators while insulting democratic leaders. Gave north Korea world recognition and became lovers with Kim in their letters. Tried to put in a total Muslim ban that was forced to only be selective countries that he didn't do personal business in. Caused millions of deaths by totally mis managing the pandemic and playing politics with it by selling ppe and limiting and delaying ppe to blue states. Tried to extort Ukraine for false information on Biden. Put the US in a position of not being trusted by other friendly nations. Insulted any nation where the residents were not white. Instigated a domestic attack on the US capital and praised those doing the attacking. Having the power to stop it but refusing to do so. Removing numerous classified document to his mar a Lago. Encouragingly those that wanted to hang his own voice president. Made deals with the Taliban without Afghanistan government involvement allowing the release of thousands of Taliban fighters released from prison to fight again. Making timeline deals with the Taliban that whoever was the next president would have to keep. Scheduling a meeting with the Taliban on 9/11 in the US. That got canceled fast. I could go on.

Biden got an infrastructure bill passed with a mostly partisan vote. Not all he wanted but a lot of infrastructure replaced, repaired, or built new. Tried to improve the Southern boarder problem but the Republicans who were in favor of the exact same plan voted against saying that trump wanted it failed so he could campaign on it. Crime is lower under Biden than it was under trump. The stock market climbed faster under Biden than trump and reached record highs. He negotiated price reductions for insulin for seniors and then many other medications. Those reductions are coming for everyone next. Stood up to the world's dictators. Aided Ukraine along with a coalition of nations in stopping Russia from taking their nation in a push to reclaim the Soviet union. Brought some class back to the US presidency along with some trust from other nations. Read all about it.
Ok I would have to fact check this.😉

But seriously, I don't even wanna doubt what you said.
It was merely about Shadrachs choice of words. Bringing havoc to the world is kinda a big statement. And I don't see how the world, or the west to be more precise, has continually become better in the last decades. Trump is maybe just the tip of the iceberg, but he is not responsible for all of our suffering alone. Well, at least America is not Russia right? A president can't just do everything he wants I guess.
 
Ok I would have to fact check this.😉

But seriously, I don't even wanna doubt what you said.
It was merely about Shadrachs choice of words. Bringing havoc to the world is kinda a big statement. And I don't see how the world, or the west to be more precise, has continually become better in the last decades. Trump is maybe just the tip of the iceberg, but he is not responsible for all of our suffering alone. Well, at least America is not Russia right? A president can't just do everything he wants I guess.
Please, fact check every single thing. Sure, things in Washington have been messed up for years but I have to agree that trump brought havoc to the world. He tried to run the US in his con man business style and no one except those that could use him accepted. Trump believed strongly that he should have been able to do whatever he pleased. It was all about him. Look at his praise for dictators and how he wanted the respect that mass murdering leaders get. As for America is not Russia. Funny, trump followers praise Russia's leader Putin. They know nothing of Russia and if they did, the praise for him would disappear rather quickly. If they knew anything beyond a 2nd grade education and that it's OK for your father to also be your grandfather of your sister mother they still would accept every word out of his lying mouth.
 
They are reporting that after the debate Biden's rallies were robust and strong. Excuse for the debate performance was that it was really hard and unsettlingly disruptive to debate someone constantly lying. While the moderators fact checked no one, Biden should have fact checked trump more. He was surely flustered. It is said that a debate changes no one's vote. Maybe not and with such a short time until the election, it is almost impossible to change candidates. Some states it is already too late according to their voting rules so if they changed it would still only be Biden as the democratic choice. So, it will be Biden come November so maybe it's time to go out and actually find those performance enhancing drugs he was being accused of being on before the debate. Sure proved all those people wrong. Maybe get some of what trump takes.
Trump seems to have handled the lying opponent disruption better. Granted Trump probably lied more but Biden came out with enough of his own. There's really no reason for Biden to have been flustered given his long career in Congress and Presidential and Vice-Presidential debate experience. He's just cognitively impaired.
I've also read that it's too late to put someone else on the ballot, but how can that be when the nominating convention's not yet been held?
 
Trump seems to have handled the lying opponent disruption better. Granted Trump probably lied more but Biden came out with enough of his own. There's really no reason for Biden to have been flustered given his long career in Congress and Presidential and Vice-Presidential debate experience. He's just cognitively impaired.
I've also read that it's too late to put someone else on the ballot, but how can that be when the nominating convention's not yet been held?
The states have their own rules. Like Wisconsin who says the cutoff was the 4th Monday in June for determining who won their primaries and something about a candidate needs to have been primaries. Most primaries are over and any candidate would not have been chosen by the voters. Confusing but they just came out with something and I read other states say sometime in July. The electorial system is confusing at the minimum. Counties, States, and nation all seem to be Independent for making up their rules. Why so many maga groups are getting voting restrictions in place starting at county level.
 
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Crime is lower under Biden than it was under trump.
Is it really though? Catch and release programs along with lower number of cases being prosecuted has to skew those numbers. One of the the things the FBI just got got called out for. They were stating how much lower reported violent crimes were without the footnote that litteraly 40% including Los Angeles, New York or 6 of the major population centers couldn't report to the to newest system at this point. How do we rate that? Is it even a half truth?

 
Is it really though? Catch and release programs along with lower number of cases being prosecuted has to skew those numbers. One of the the things the FBI just got got called out for. They were stating how much lower reported violent crimes were without the footnote that litteraly 40% including Los Angeles, New York or 6 of the major population centers couldn't report to the to newest system at this point. How do we rate that? Is it even a half truth?

Maybe not lower. Haven't seen that and only went on what media reported.
 
They are reporting that after the debate Biden's rallies were robust and strong. Excuse for the debate performance was that it was really hard and unsettlingly disruptive to debate someone constantly lying. While the moderators fact checked no one, Biden should have fact checked trump more. He was surely flustered. It is said that a debate changes no one's vote. Maybe not and with such a short time until the election, it is almost impossible to change candidates. Some states it is already too late according to their voting rules so if they changed it would still only be Biden as the democratic choice. So, it will be Biden come November so maybe it's time to go out and actually find those performance enhancing drugs he was being accused of being on before the debate. Sure proved all those people wrong. Maybe get some of what trump takes.
The debate may or may not have changed the way some people will vote but Biden's appearance certainly will. Unless Biden changes his mind and does step aside then I fear we are stuck with Trump. Trump is now looking so happy and confident and the court ruling that presidents may be above prosecution for steps taken acting as president seems to have lifted his whole demeanor.
 
Just read about Biden's interview with the American Broadcasting Company's George Stephanopoulos with Biden shrugging off his debate performance as just having a "bad night." Which raises the question, what happens if there is a major crisis and Biden is having another bad night?
 
Just read about Biden's interview with the American Broadcasting Company's George Stephanopoulos with Biden shrugging off his debate performance as just having a "bad night." Which raises the question, what happens if there is a major crisis and Biden is having another bad night?
Just watched it....Pathetic !
Q:"Did you watch the debate afterwards"
A: "No, I don't think I did" 🙄🙄🙄

And only repeating about his "successes" ...
 
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