The future and the role of Artificial intelligence.

[harryopal1]

Interesting to see that France is hosting an international conference on AI. It will also be interesting to see if anything comes out of it and if there are ideas about how loss of jobs in the immediate future can be dealt with. At worst it will be just an international gravy train for clever speakers to enjoy some time in France but hopefully there will be a recognition that we are facing a revolution with enormous social implications,.

 

[harryopal1]

It seems governments attending the French conference on AI were all excited about the wonderful things it may be able to do and now billions of dollars being thrown at further development. I saw no reports that there was the slightest interest in anticipating the impact it may have on future employment, or unemployment and how to plan for the social dislocation ahead.

 

[Shadrach]

It seems governments attending the French conference on AI were all excited about the wonderful things it may be able to do and now billions of dollars being thrown at further development. I saw no reports that there was the slightest interest in anticipating the impact it may have on future employment, or unemployment and how to plan for the social dislocation ahead.

It looks like people are acting like kids with a new shiny toy. But they don't understand, that this new toy, along with robots, will start seriously affecting people's jobs, income, and what's more scary to me is lack of privacy, and personal information. Also how social media is influencing our kids. Nowadays a person can't tell what information is true, or false!
What start's out as Oh, This will make our lives easier, becomes a Monster that can't be Stopped!

 

[serious_fun]

The power grids will limit growth in AI, even in so-called 'developed' countries.

 

[Shadrach]

The power grids will limit growth in AI, even in so-called 'developed' countries.

Your right! Ever since the days of Nikola Tesla, the power magnates (Westinghouse, Edison, Carnegie,) decided Free electricity broadcast without cables was a bad idea. They couldn't control it and make huge Profits! So now we have this horrible mess of cables and transmission lines everywhere! But AI will find a way to fix that, if the Greedy Power Hungry Monsters will let it?

 

[harryopal1]

Australia is presently preoccupied with a damaging cyclone tracking down the east coast. Prime Minister Albanese has deferred a Federal election until May. Meanwhile, while outlining plans to alleviate the housing crisis and inflation related poverty neither Labor or the conservative opposition led by Dutton seems to regard the devasting circumstances for hundreds of thousands of Australians as requiring emergency and imaginative measures to have immediate impact.

Labor is still committed to the insane expenditure of $350 billion for 8 nuclear submarines maybe for the 2030s and there are estimates that Dutton's proposed 7 nuclear power plants may finish up costing between $450 an $700 billion and start to come on line by 2035.

My concern about the impact of AI and robotization and the implication for future employment are still isssues that seem not be worth major consideration. As also seems to be the cast with most developed nations.

While President Trump allows there will be problems with his wonderful tariffs it is impossible to imagine that before a corner is turned with the US manufacturing sectors beginning to produce goods now imported there will continue to be a widening gap between the haves and have nots.

Singapore seems to one of the few countries that is planning for employment for the future. But the stand out, and, as much as I would not like to live in the big brother is watching country of China, China is planning to ensure future employment for its peoples. And while there has been a housing crisis it has been more to do with over supply and affordability. China is now committed to focussing on providing accommodation by taking up the matter of tens of thousands of built but unused apartments and controlling the unrealistic pursuit of profit by developers.

I shouldn't be surprised if China sees opportunities in developing spheres of interest by filling the vacuum created by all US Foreign Aid being cancelled.

At my age, and while struggling still to get a fluency in Bahasa Indonesia, I am not about to start trying to learn Mandarin. But I would suggest for anyone under 60 years of age, now would be a good time to take lessons in Mandarin

 

[Shadrach]

Australia is presently preoccupied with a damaging cyclone tracking down the east coast. Prime Minister Albanese has deferred a Federal election until May. Meanwhile, while outlining plans to alleviate the housing crisis and inflation related poverty neither Labor or the conservative opposition led by Dutton seems to regard the devasting circumstances for hundreds of thousands of Australians as requiring emergency and imaginative measures to have immediate impact.

Labor is still committed to the insane expenditure of $350 billion for 8 nuclear submarines maybe for the 2030s and there are estimates that Dutton's proposed 7 nuclear power plants may finish up costing between $450 an $700 billion and start to come on line by 2035.

My concern about the impact of AI and robotization and the implication for future employment are still isssues that seem not be worth major consideration. As also seems to be the cast with most developed nations.

While President Trump allows there will be problems with his wonderful tariffs it is impossible to imagine that before a corner is turned with the US manufacturing sectors beginning to produce goods now imported there will continue to be a widening gap between the haves and have nots.

Singapore seems to one of the few countries that is planning for employment for the future. But the stand out, and, as much as I would not like to live in the big brother is watching country of China, China is planning to ensure future employment for its peoples. And while there has been a housing crisis it has been more to do with over supply and affordability. China is now committed to focussing on providing accommodation by taking up the matter of tens of thousands of built but unused apartments and controlling the unrealistic pursuit of profit by developers.

I shouldn't be surprised if China sees opportunities in developing spheres of interest by filling the vacuum created by all US Foreign Aid being cancelled.

At my age, and while struggling still to get a fluency in Bahasa Indonesia, I am not about to start trying to learn Mandarin. But I would suggest for anyone under 60 years of age, now would be a good time to take lessons in Mandarin

Xie Xie

 

[Balifrog]

But I would suggest for anyone under 60 years of age, now would be a good time to take lessons in Mandarin

Agreed !

 

[harryopal1]

Don't panic but the end is nigh!
Just watched an enormously interesting and entertaining video narrated by Stephen Fry about AI. The speed of development is staggering with the prospect of worldwide changes to human life within just a couple of years and the possibility of complete redundancy of the human species.

 

[Shadrach]

Xie Xie

At the rate technology is advancing, there will a learning chip people can have inserted in their Brains, that will allow them to somehow understand any language, or any skill! Or like the videos suggest, AI and Robots, will take over and get rid of us because we are obsolete! Remember they are machines and don't have silly, unpractical things like Emotions!
So Long, It's Been Good To Know Ya, So Long, Etc!

 

[Nicho]

A very simple example to show how machinery means job losses is to look at the toll gates- say there are 10 gates- there used to be 10 jobs, now they are e-payment= 10 jobs gone.
!0 families losing a regular wage earner.
So all this embracing of technology is not 'that' wonderful for everyone.
History actually suggests that when societies are falling apart revolution ensues. The catalyst is there, the anger is there. I wonder when it will all spark?

My daughter and 55 co-workers just lost there jobs in Australia . All replaced with Al !!

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Don't panic but the end is nigh!
Just watched an enormously interesting and entertaining video narrated by Stephen Fry about AI. The speed of development is staggering with the prospect of worldwide changes to human life within just a couple of years and the possibility of complete redundancy of the human species.

More sci-fi entertainment than reality. It's assuming AGI, which is a very long way off. But if AI could eliminate Stephen Fry it would certainly benefit humanity.

 

[Balifrog]

For those who doubt about A.I. I recommend this movie. True story.


And this was before A.I. or quantum computing !

 

[harryopal1]

For those who doubt about A.I. I recommend this movie. True story.


And this was before A.I. or quantum computing !

Thanks for the link. A really absorbing documentary. Yet, it amazes me the apparent divide between East and West when to this point in my life, despite this game being popular with many millions of Asians, until now I had never heard of Go.
The documentary was made nearly 10 years ago and with technology seemingly on a J curve it is hard to imagine what another 10 years will bring.

 

[pantaiema]

Thanks for the link. A really absorbing documentary. Yet, it amazes me the apparent divide between East and West when to this point in my life, despite this game being popular with many millions of Asians, until now I had never heard of Go.
The documentary was made nearly 10 years ago and with technology seemingly on a J curve it is hard to imagine what another 10 years will bring.

Artificial Intelligence (AI) has now surpassed human intelligence in chess. Advanced chess engines like AlphaZero and Stockfish consistently outperform even the greatest human players, including former world champions. These AI-powered engines hold the highest Elo ratings in the game.

However, these AI systems excel only in narrow Intelligence doing a specific task. Human intelligence is multifaceted. Take Magnus Carlsen, for example, beside chess he also plays football, basketball, and engages in everyday activities such as cooking, shopping, etc. If get threaten he could grab a gun and pull the trigger. In contrast, AlphaZero and Stockfish are limited solely to chess. If they play chess with the kid and the kids get bored, the kid might just destroy them, the kid win.

Current AI still lags far behind the broad capabilities of human intelligence. To truly match humans, AI would need to evolve into Artificial General Intelligence (AGI), capable of performing a wide range of tasks. Beyond that, Artificial Superintelligence (ASI) would surpass human abilities entirely. However, before AI reaches that level, it's likely that governments around the world might intervene to regulate or halt its development and research. Also, ASI is still hypothetical, and no AI system currently approaches anywhere near AGI, let alone to reach the ASI level.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

People are getting AI confused with general software automation of things. Over time more and more things get automated and people lose jobs and other jobs are created. It has always been like that.
AI itself is much narrower and is related to predicting text or pixels or similar. AGI is something completely different and it's not on the horizon at all. However people who are trying to sell anything related to AI will of course hype it up. It's called the hype cycle.

 

[harryopal1]

People are getting AI confused with general software automation of things. Over time more and more things get automated and people lose jobs and other jobs are created. It has always been like that.
AI itself is much narrower and is related to predicting text or pixels or similar. AGI is something completely different and it's not on the horizon at all. However people who are trying to sell anything related to AI will of course hype it up. It's called the hype cycle.

We have an ever increasing range of automated, mobile military devices designed with the purpose of killing and destroying. At the moment these are monitored by people but as computer capacity for analysis and decision making develop it seems just a matter of time that humans create the pattern and then leave the actual decision making to the computers. This is more or less what happened with the system created to play Go. Even the team making the system often were surprised by the decisions and had trouble following the way the system dealt with the complexities of its task.

 

[Shadrach]

We have an ever increasing range of automated, mobile military devices designed with the purpose of killing and destroying. At the moment these are monitored by people but as computer capacity for analysis and decision making develop it seems just a matter of time that humans create the pattern and then leave the actual decision making to the computers. This is more or less what happened with the system created to play Go. Even the team making the system often were surprised by the decisions and had trouble following the way the system dealt with the complexities of its task.

I recently saw a Movie about an Automated Helicopter that went Rogue and started shooting the Other Helicopters flown by people down, there was a movie a long time ago about a Robot named AL, that went Haywire also! Scary stuff!

 

[harryopal1]

A feature of watching Youtube is you can click on an icon for captions which I presume is now also done by AI. Just now watching a film called Triple Cross. A German officer gets out of car, salutes and says, "Heil Hitler." The auto caption says, "Heil Hinkler."

 

[Balifrog]

A feature of watching Youtube is you can click on an icon for captions which I presume is now also done by AI. Just now watching a film called Triple Cross. A German officer gets out of car, salutes and says, "Heil Hitler." The auto caption says, "Heil Hinkler."

The auto caption on Youtube is often shiite....