Suggestions for building a house

Saudade

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Sorry, I know this is not the topic but it is related to building houses.
Do you know if Indonesia allows to built up a house next each other walls? I mean, our neighbour built up a house just putting her wall next to our wall.
Before, we had a window at the kitchen with coconuts view and banana trees (with trash view include as well, nothing is perfect, was the place they used to trough their trash but still we had light and the coconuts trees!) and when they built up the house block totally the window and now we have a batako window!
When some of my friends from Europe saw it, told me that for example in Europe is not allow to built wall next to wall (different owners and land), it must be a few centimeters between limits of the land.
I am just curious about this in Indonesia.
Sorry for my terrible English, I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
 

jstar

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In many (European) countries there is a minimum distance of 3 meter between freestanding houses and neighboring parcel. (Just like there are rules for distance of trees etc.) You need the approval of neighbors to have that changed.

Over here that's not so well defined. They don't need input from the neighbors to get the house design approved. If you don't agree with the way your neighbors are building, you're probably already too late and then you should challenge the permit, but often that is fighting a losing battle if they have good contacts. There should be an IMB, which is indicated by a yellow poster/spanduk on the property at time of construction; it is the permit to build. If there is non, you could file a complaint against the whole construction. But even then...

What is not allowed btw, is that they use your wall; they need to build a new wall next to it. But if the kavlings are part of a project, the walls could be shared.
 

jstar

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I would never ever put the wall of the house exactly on the border of the land anymore btw. People do that to have their house as big as possible and avoid a mess on the land. That is a formula for disaster though; you will get contact noise from the neighbors (nice if their wet kitchen is next to your bedroom), you can't do repairs and even worse, over time you will definitely get infiltration of water from their leaking roofs, cracks in the walls, etc. So a tip would be to take the loss and stay a meter away from the fence.
 

Hbm

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Love the topic, love all the comments. Been in Indonesia on and off for the last 30 years and I so recognize all the experiences. Our family (where my wife is Indonesian) have been living in a number of places, and until now always rented. The quality of houses being constructed is shocking, just about everything they do is wrong, walls are paper-thin and everything is quickly covered with a layer of plaster and paint. All the materials they use is either local or foreign (Chinese) made rubbish. No warranty or for a few months, ending before everything starts to crumble. The sale price for all this newly built rubbish is absurd, but you know what? No potential buyer cares and most is being sold in no time! We've looked at all kinds of options (still looking) to have something build in future (e.g. container, prefab, wood, hemp, earth, etc.) but I believe that the problem with all is local expertise of construction companies. They don't care to properly educate and train their local workers; a) it's expensive b) they are likely to jump ship after the training and start on their own 3) why train as everyone is buying their usual rubbish regardless. Imported prefab might be the best option, than (if you're handy enough) put it together yourself as for sure the locals will find ways of destroying it during assembly :p. I'm a fan of Nova Deko, which I've followed for a while, not sure if possible to have it shipped, cost of transport, import duties, local transport etc, but will look into it. Very unlikely to ever purchase local lol
 

Hbm

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Do you know if Indonesia allows to built up a house next each other walls? I mean, our neighbour built up a house just putting her wall next to our wall.
Lesson learned :sneaky:, allowed, not allowed? All the same, even if not allowed by law it will be allowed if you know someone who knows someone :ROFLMAO:.
 

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Great example of a pidgin language....
Love the video, tx for sharing 😂
 

make_batik_great_again

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Love the topic, love all the comments. Been in Indonesia on and off for the last 30 years and I so recognize all the experiences. Our family (where my wife is Indonesian) have been living in a number of places, and until now always rented. The quality of houses being constructed is shocking, just about everything they do is wrong, walls are paper-thin and everything is quickly covered with a layer of plaster and paint. All the materials they use is either local or foreign (Chinese) made rubbish. No warranty or for a few months, ending before everything starts to crumble. The sale price for all this newly built rubbish is absurd, but you know what? No potential buyer cares and most is being sold in no time! We've looked at all kinds of options (still looking) to have something build in future (e.g. container, prefab, wood, hemp, earth, etc.) but I believe that the problem with all is local expertise of construction companies. They don't care to properly educate and train their local workers; a) it's expensive b) they are likely to jump ship after the training and start on their own 3) why train as everyone is buying their usual rubbish regardless. Imported prefab might be the best option, than (if you're handy enough) put it together yourself as for sure the locals will find ways of destroying it during assembly :p. I'm a fan of Nova Deko, which I've followed for a while, not sure if possible to have it shipped, cost of transport, import duties, local transport etc, but will look into it. Very unlikely to ever purchase local lol
If you want to build here: I think the question is what to expect. After discussing with people and reading about this topic for a while now, I minimized my expectations. My wife and I plan to stay in this beautiful country and I would like to be independent from landlords and rent increases. Also I like the idea of living in an own house. Therefore, we are still looking for the best option...or let´s put it like this: We are looking for the option which causes the less trouble. To me, concrete buildings seem to be the worst idea. Have seen so many houses with cracks around here. Seems to be too much risk in this earthquake endangered region. Also I would not feel so cozy if there are cracks after a few years (due to inappropriate mixture of concrete or whatsoever).

To us, a container home appears to be the best solution so far. Container homes are also often used in other earthquake endangered regions. Regarding walls and roof I believe (and hope) there is less risk regarding cracks and stability problems.

Of course, I do not expect western standard. As I said, I reduced my expectations. Probably, there will be issues. But hopefully, the issues occur more in the details of the house. I hope that, by using this method of construction, it is likely to at least get a stable home (stable walls, stable roof) that lasts some decades.

Worst case would be to invest a five digit dollar amount into a home that you cannot (or do not want to) use after 10-20 years.
 

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