Quarantine back to 7 days starting December

[R Cameron]

Does anybody know if it's been officially rescinded to o 5 days yet please? There is a lot of fluff in the press but is it official. The Hotel Kaisar isnt so bad for a. Cheap Heap but I'm climbing the walls on Day 2

Yes, it is now official, here is the new Surat Edaran: https://covid19.go.id/artikel/2022/02/02/surat-edaran-kasatgas-nomor-4-tahun-2022

 

[nardo]

Yes, it is now official, here is the new Surat Edaran: https://covid19.go.id/artikel/2022/02/02/surat-edaran-kasatgas-nomor-4-tahun-2022

Thanks so much, hopefully I will get an early mark ... If only I could read it... Ah well...

 

[make_batik_great_again]

Yes, it is now official, here is the new Surat Edaran: https://covid19.go.id/artikel/2022/02/02/surat-edaran-kasatgas-nomor-4-tahun-2022

Thanks for the information.

I read it. But I could not find a regulation regarding babys or children. Does anyone know where to find information whether double-vaccinated parents entering Indonesia with an unvaccinated baby have to be in quarantine for 5 days or 7 days?

 

[snpark]

5

 

[nardo]

Luck of the draw at the entry schmozzle. There is no Vaccination for babies yet... I just read yesterday they have finished and published someclinical trials on 2 to 4 year olds that actually did not have promising results.

Thanks for the information.

I read it. But I could not find a regulation regarding babys or children. Does anyone know where to find information whether double-vaccinated parents entering Indonesia with an unvaccinated baby have to be in quarantine for 5 days or 7 days?

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[R Cameron]

Does anyone know where to find information whether double-vaccinated parents entering Indonesia with an unvaccinated baby have to be in quarantine for 5 days or 7 days?

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Where do you read that @snpark ? The Surat Edaran does not describe that scenario.

 

[R Cameron]

This new Surat Edaran also changes that your PCR test before departure for Indonesia must have sample collected within 2x24 hours of departure, previously it was 3x24 hours.

 

[snpark]

Before it was 7 right? For kids rule unvaccinated etc
Now 5 adults so the kids rule obviously changes in line
You not going to leave your kids alone for 2 days extra or maybe you will hahaha
"Adventure time"
We will spray you with magic mist time travel spray so one hour lasts a day
See you in a couple of hours kids

 

[R Cameron]

Before it was 7 right? For kids rule unvaccinated etc
Now 5 adults so the kids rule obviously changes in line
You not going to leave your kids alone for 2 days extra or maybe you will hahaha
"Adventure time"
We will spray you with magic mist time travel spray so one hour lasts a day
See you in a couple of hours kids

No, the vaccinated parents are required to quarantine for the longer time along with their unvaccinated children. Here is a taskforce official explaining it a few months ago, the quarantine periods are different but the same principles apply unless there has been a formal change:

Anak yang Belum Divaksin Covid-19 Wajib Karantina 5 Hari Usai Perjalanan Internasional

Anak-anak yang belum divaksin Covid-19 wajib melakukan karantina selama 5 hari usai melakukan perjalanan dari luar negeri.

www.kompas.tv

I am not certain, but I believe the same principal also applies to any group of travelers with mixed vaccination statuses, such that those quarantining in a single hotel room are subject to the longest quarantine required of any member of the group.

 

[Banana72]

So I'm curious if you're positive on day one...isolate for seven days, and on day seven..negative result, do you trust that result (even though say, you have very minor sniffles...on and off light cough (more like clearing throat kinda cough)? or do you test again in 24 hours just to be sure?

Knock on wood. I hung out with wife's family for a good few hours about eight days ago (lunch, coffee, hanging out, desserts at another place, etc) starting the next day, one by one went down...three admitted into the hospital with varying degrees of severity and symptoms (one was nauseous and headache, another was diarrhea, vomitting and flu like symptoms, and wife's mother actually was the latest admitted. All are doing much better though...). Seven out of nine tested positive. Nephew and I were the only two negative ones and I feel absolutely 100% fine with the exception on the very first day, had a weird body aches about four o'clock in the morning and felt dehydrated, Drank a glass of water with panadol, good as new by 7 am

Although not accurate, I did test myself at home a couple times with the home kit and came out just one line (wife's came out two lines).

Wife has been feeling much much better and all three of us are getting tested tomorrow (she, the maid and I).

 

[R Cameron]

on the very first day, had a weird body aches about four o'clock in the morning and felt dehydrated, Drank a glass of water with panadol, good as new by 7 am

I would assume myself positive and isolate for 10 days following first onset of these symptoms. I wouldn't even bother getting tested, it seems obvious enough, and they may wish you to isolate for 14 days from your positive test tomorrow, which is unnecessary.

 

[Banana72]

I would assume myself positive and isolate for 10 days following first onset of these symptoms. I wouldn't even bother getting tested, it seems obvious enough, and they may wish you to isolate for 14 days from your positive test tomorrow, which is unnecessary.

How about if my wife tested negative tomorrow, should we trust it, or just to be sure, test it again on Saturday? I certainly hope none of us are positive.

 

[R Cameron]

How about if my wife tested negative tomorrow, should we trust it, or just to be sure, test it again on Saturday? I certainly hope none of us are positive.

This is the real difficulty of Covid at this point, so many different situations with minor nuances. In my opinion (and I believe most national health authorities agree) anyone testing negative with no symptoms 8(+) days after close contact should just go on with their normal life. If she wishes to be extra cautious she could avoid close contact with high risk people (elderly, diabetic, etc) for a few more days.

 

[gemima]

This is the real difficulty of Covid at this point, so many different situations with minor nuances. In my opinion (and I believe most national health authorities agree) anyone testing negative with no symptoms 8(+) days after close contact should just go on with their normal life. If she wishes to be extra cautious she could avoid close contact with high risk people (elderly, diabetic, etc) for a few more days.

People can continue to test positive on a PCR for weeks (months in some cases) - it picks up viral components of COVID long after the infectiveness period is over. If you do any of the official tests it will come up on your Pedullingi app (if you are using it...I do daily to get in and out of my building). There is no nuance about +ve tests here like there is in other countries where you can get a recovery letter.
You could test positive - in your case a week after your infectiveness period is over and you will be flagged on the app and officially have to isolate.

I agree with R Cameron - If I have symptoms I'll isolate myself at home and probably avoid getting official tests done unless absolutely necessary (I have 10 antigen tests at home brought back from europe). I have the luxury of living alone so I put no one at risk.

 

[make_batik_great_again]

People can continue to test positive on a PCR for weeks (months in some cases) - it picks up viral components of COVID long after the infectiveness period is over.

Oh, really?

My wife and I just recovered from a corona infection (no symptoms anymore). We are still in Europe and we are planning to go back to Indonesia in March. If it is true that you can continue to test positive on a PCR weeks after the infection, my fear is now that the PCR test that will be taken at the airport when entering Indonesia could be positive although our infection is weeks ago and we were already tested negative several times by rapid antigen test in the past days. In Europe, we are considered healed because the infection is more than 10 days ago and rapid antigen tests do not show any infection anymore. I did not know that you could be tested positive by PCR test even weeks after the infection.

 

[gemima]

Oh, really?

My wife and I just recovered from a corona infection (no symptoms anymore). We are still in Europe and we are planning to go back to Indonesia in March. If it is true that you can continue to test positive on a PCR weeks after the infection, my fear is now that the PCR test that will be taken at the airport when entering Indonesia could be positive although our infection is weeks ago and we were already tested negative several times by rapid antigen test in the past days. In Europe, we are considered healed because the infection is more than 10 days ago and rapid antigen tests do not show any infection anymore. I did not know that you could be tested positive by PCR test even weeks after the infection.

Yes some people can test positive (on PCR) for many weeks after an infection: https://www.verifythis.com/article/...eeks/536-88af05c5-bf11-402c-9a14-5be3c64222e9

Its not everyone - some people do some don't. I'd say if you had your vaccines and a mild case of covid you'll probably be fine after 2 weeks, but like someone else already mentioned in this thread - it depends on the number of cycles the lab running the PCR does - in europe they automatically stop after 35 (or something like that-it depends on the country/ lab); they seem to do more cycles here so catch even the tiniest fragments of the virus. Of course, the authorities here probably want to do 40 cycles to increase the chance of identifying those in the earliest stages of the virus (but in the process can pick up recovered cases). This explains a bit about CT values: https://fullfact.org/health/cycle-threshold-values/

In the first wave of infections, a young healthy friend of mine in Jakarta tested positive for 2 months straight.

 

[Ruserious]

several times by rapid antigen test in the past days

I wouldnt put too much faith in these.

 

[make_batik_great_again]

I wouldnt put too much faith in these.

No, me neither. But combined with the fact that our infection is more than two weeks ago now and no symptoms anymore, I highly doubt that we are still infectious.

So, I am a bit worried that we would be tested positive when entering Indonesia in March although the infection will be more than one month ago then already. We would not be allowed to enter a quarantine hotel then, I guess? Would have to go into some kind of quarantine clinic or so?

 

[Wisnu]

not necesearily false positive or virus traces. Reinfection might also happen anytime, anyplace even if you're tripled vaccinated, young and healthy. Happened to my younger daughter in US - she just told us that she's tested positive for the second time. First infection was at December 2020. She's triple vaccinated with Moderna x2 + 1 pfizer.

 

[gemima]

No, me neither. But combined with the fact that our infection is more than two weeks ago now and no symptoms anymore, I highly doubt that we are still infectious.

So, I am a bit worried that we would be tested positive when entering Indonesia in March although the infection will be more than one month ago then already. We would not be allowed to enter a quarantine hotel then, I guess? Would have to go into some kind of quarantine clinic or so?

This is why I was so worried when I was home in Europe for xmas - luckily I somehow managed to avoid catching it. I know multiple people who had covid over xmas - tested negative in the European PCR before flying and then test positive in SG (they probably do higher cycles there too). I think a month is long enough that you don't need to worry - I was on a much tighter timeframe.