Michelin in Bali? ⭐️⭐️

[ChrisTex]

If you look at how Gordon Ramsey acts from Season 1 to the most recent season of Hell's Kitchen, you will see a big difference with how he acts. Yes he still swears, but he isn't as in your face as he once was.

I think Ramsey and Jon Taffer(Bar Rescue) have a fairly similar approach. They will go at you like a shark that smells blood in the water if they feel like you are just bull shitting them. If they think you have the ability , need motivation, or to see how much you care, they become an angry coach. If the situation warrants it, they talk to you like a caring person.

Now, watch Masterchef USA and then Jr Masterchef, Ramsey is really different.

 

[ChrisTex]

But Salt Bae? Well he is despised internationally now especially since Qatar etc

Oh you should have seen the rant that Ben Foster of the cycling goalkeeper went on. The best bit was when Foster said he could cook a better steak than Salt Bae's overpriced steak.

 

[sumyunggai]

I ask this question to Chat GPT "what is MSG ?". Here is the answer.
"MSG stands for monosodium glutamate, which is a flavor enhancer commonly used in many processed foods. It is a white crystalline powder that is derived from glutamic acid, an amino acid found in many foods such as meats, fish, and vegetables. MSG is often added to foods to enhance their savory or umami taste and is commonly used in Asian cuisine. While some people report sensitivity to MSG and experience symptoms such as headaches, flushing, and sweating, the FDA considers it safe for most people when consumed in moderate amounts"

Why though? ChatGPT is not reliable and lacks discernment. E.g,

While some people report sensitivity to MSG and experience symptoms such as headaches, flushing, and sweating,

This should be followed by 'they are wrong'

> The FDA considers it safe for most people when consumed in moderate amounts"

Wrong again. The sentence should end after 'safe'. Not 'for most people'.

There is no evidence MSG is harmful to ANYONE, and sodium can be genuinely harmful, glutamate cannot.

Sometimes you just need people to say that other people are wrong, and ignorant, which is the case when it comes to whining about MSG.

 

[Hawk256]

Why though? ChatGPT is not reliable and lacks discernment. E.g,



This should be followed by 'they are wrong'

> The FDA considers it safe for most people when consumed in moderate amounts"

Wrong again. The sentence should end after 'safe'. Not 'for most people'.

There is no evidence MSG is harmful to ANYONE, and sodium can be genuinely harmful, glutamate cannot.

Sometimes you just need people to say that other people are wrong, and ignorant, which is the case when it comes to whining about MSG.

They have done numerous blind studies about MSG and given MSG to people who claimed to be allergic. When they didn't know they were getting it they had no problems. Even with high levels of MSG given without food, they could find no correlation.

 

[ChrisTex]

I know for me, depending on what I eat, if it has too much msg,, sodium, or perservatives, then I sometimes get a bad case of gout. If I am lucky, my foot feels really stiff or feels like I have a high ankle sprain. The worse was when my knee was swollen and I had to get the fluid drained. That was not fun.

 

[pantaiema]

Why though? ChatGPT is not reliable and lacks discernment. E.g,



This should be followed by 'they are wrong'

> The FDA considers it safe for most people when consumed in moderate amounts"

Wrong again. The sentence should end after 'safe'. Not 'for most people'.

There is no evidence MSG is harmful to ANYONE, and sodium can be genuinely harmful, glutamate cannot.

Sometimes you just need people to say that other people are wrong, and ignorant, which is the case when it comes to whining about MSG.

It will depend on the quantity you consume and the body size, e.g weight and heigh. Children will be different with adults. Tall heavy weight adults will be different with relatively small adults.

This is official website of FDA regarding MSG

Questions and Answers on Monosodium glutamate (MSG)

Questions and Answers on Monosodium glutamate (MSG)

www.fda.gov

MSG is not a banned substances by FDA or EFSA or other reputable food, drug agency around the world. Especially if it is consumed in moderation.

If you consume a lot of MSGs, especially on regular intakes, it will effect your health, in the long term. You do not need ChatGPT, professor google or heath experts to know that, as common sense will do. If you don't believe that, depending on your body size, try eating a lot of MSG like one table spoon a day, you will notice how it will effect you in a month. But it is not just MSGs any non natural food, additives, non natural spices and flavouring, taste enhancer, colourants, preservative or the like are the same; it is not good for health if consume in non moderate quantity. I remember I read somewhere, Franchise fast food outlets such as KFC, Popeyes, Chick-fil-A, McDonald's (in new chicken sandwich) also use MSGs. Also well known savoury snacks, chips such as Pringles, Doritos are just a few examples of those that contain MSG. to enhance the savoury and contrasting flavours of chips.

Instant Noodle, noodle soups, meatballs soups, soy / oyster sauce and other non natural food, that are regularly consumed by Indonesian people get enhanced umami taste from MSG. Ask the people who consume a lot of MSG regularly, like eating instant noodle, meat ball soup; depending how much they put in the food people might be experiencing headache, thirsty, drowsiness especially with some sensitive individuals who consume 3 grams or more (depending on body size) of MSG without food. For that reason imo it is dangerous for people who eat too much MSGs like found in many instant noodle regularly. The problem with the side effect like this, you might not notice it in a short term. Like eating processed meat on regular basis which have been discovered might lead to gradually building up cancer cells, It is only when you finally realize it, it is already too late.

But this is just personal opinion for discussion, not an expert opinion, so people will need to seek information themselves and make their own decisions.

 

[fastpitch17]

Glutamate is not the problem for people as it occurs naturally in many products people already consume. The problem is the sodium part of it.

What created all this early health scare heard around the world was people eating in restaurants who claimed they got sick on the MSG while not having a clue to what made them feel off in the first place. These complaints basically went viral through news media as more and more claimed MSG made them sick. Heart problems to hair loss. Most claims were made against Asian restaurants who were known to use MSG and not Western types of restaurants who also used it but many times under different manufacture's labels.

It came down to not that the places were using MSG but the amounts used. Unfortunantly, many sellers of prepared foods started believing that MSG wasn't a food taste enhancer, it was to make their food taste even better so if a little made it taste good, a lot will make it taste great. So, let's not use a tablespoon in this big pot, let's use 4 and make it great. it wasn't too much glutamate, it was way too much sodium of which so many people naturally added more from a salt shaker.

Locally it seems prepared food sellers still have this idea their food taste better so bump up the MSG. Where else can you find MSG being sold retail is such large bags? Watch a Nasi or Mie Goring street guy and see how he scoops a spoonful of MSG for each serving.

Personally I do not care if there is some MSG in my food although I add no sodium to anything I consume figuring there is already enough in the dish. There are a lot more harmful things to be concerned about here than some MSG. My wife however tries to avoid it completely stating how it causes health problems like heart problems or to her, hair loss which is of great concern. She points to the women who have obvious hair loss as being the result from MSG consumption.

The concern should be pointed at sodium and intake if such should be monitored.

 

[Wisnu]

I eat croissants every day,
I have a pretty serious hair loss problem

 

[snpark]

Hair today and gone tomorrow

 

[Balifrog]

Stick to proper food...

Yesterday evening, pork chop, potatoes fried in duck fat (mode sarladaise in French)
Sauce : cream, white wine, mushroom, garlic.

BTW, I eat croissants, still have all my hair ! (Shiny very light grey...)

I never eat in local warungs, never eat rubbish "fast food", and avoid frying in 2 cm local cheap oil. Only oil used is olive oil and butter (real one..)

 

[pantaiema]

Stick to proper food...

Yesterday evening, pork chop, potatoes fried in duck fat (mode sarladaise in French)
Sauce : cream, white wine, mushroom, garlic.

BTW, I eat croissants, still have all my hair ! (Shiny very light grey...)

I never eat in local warungs, never eat rubbish "fast food", and avoid frying in 2 cm local cheap oil. Only oil used is olive oil and butter (real one..)

What about Fried Frog, in relation to your avatar. I personally have tried it a few times and it tastes delicious, better than fried chicken. There is also a picture showing Barrack Obama eating Fried Frog

Why we shouldn't eat frogs' legs

Every year the French nibble away at 4,000 tonnes of frogs' legs, but it's the vast number eaten elsewhere that is pushing frogs to extinction, writes Jon Henley

www.theguardian.com

 

[Balifrog]

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What about Fried Frog, in relation to your avatar. I personally have tried it a few times and it tastes delicious, better than fried chicken. There is also a picture showing Barrack Obama eating Fried Frog

Why we shouldn't eat frogs' legs

Every year the French nibble away at 4,000 tonnes of frogs' legs, but it's the vast number eaten elsewhere that is pushing frogs to extinction, writes Jon Henley

www.theguardian.com

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Problem is that there is very little to eat.
But I have eaten it it several times.

 

[Samoerai]

Problem is that there is very little to eat.
But I have eaten it it several times.

Me too, but in Holland. Tasted good.

 

[jstar]

Yep, very Indonesian. Let’s deep fry all in old oil that we use for everything.

Should be broiled/fried in real butter of course.

That whole ‘it should taste like KFC’ mentality could be a major reason a more refined (Michelin) kitchen will never be successful. Besides in the touristic spots of course and perhaps some 5* hotels.

 

[Banana72]

Don't need to go to PIK for Dim Sum, quite a few branches of Wing Heng outside of PIK, and open 24 hours as well.... Cheaper than HK (v. expensive city) I think too.

Wing Heng is 'ok' although for central Jakarta, the best dim sum in my opinion is still Sun City. Ya know the dim sum is good when about half of the people who eat there speak Chinese..(including the restaurant supervisors).

PIK definitely is the playground for Chinese-Indo nouveau riche but good thing is, it slowly catching up (along with kelapa gading) to the South in terms of alcohol-based hang outs (wine bar, wine shops, lounge, etc) here and there along with some good restaurants, etc. Got tired of having to always have to go to the South to meet up at a good wine bar and the traffic/odd and even restrictions don't make it easy at all. I just roll my eyes everytime somebody try to suggest Gunawarman or Senopati to hang out...the traffic is hell there.

 

[jstar]

The problem is not so much the Hong Kong style siomay which are rather good in places like Sun City. But it’s the Shanghai style which is often subpar. The Xiao Long Bao for instance, the steamed dumplings with the hot soup inside, often have a dough wrapping that is simply too thick.

Esp. Sun City is a place where the service and ambiance are exquisite. Like a Michelin restaurant, the amount of staff could be larger than the amount of patrons. And finally a restaurant that doesn’t look like a Chinese supermarket (with bright TL lighting).

In Old Shanghai in east Kelapa Gading, there’s even a Mutiara (Glodok and Puri). And close by there are more and more restaurants popping up. The one with Manadonese food is rather good. Tuna House in PIK I don’t like so much, it is somewhat chaotic and the food is not great, the original in Manado at the sea is much better.

The accessibility of PIK is still very bad. I don’t understand why they always build an isolated ‘island’ here and start thinking about how to get there after the facts. Same for Taman Anggrek & Central Park, PIK2 beach etc. The whole north west of the DKI is difficult to reach.

 

[Banana72]

The problem is not so much the Hong Kong style siomay which are rather good in places like Sun City. But it’s the Shanghai style which is often subpar. The Xiao Long Bao for instance, the steamed dumplings with the hot soup inside, often have a dough wrapping that is simply too thick.

Esp. Sun City is a place where the service and ambiance are exquisite. Like a Michelin restaurant, the amount of staff could be larger than the amount of patrons. And finally a restaurant that doesn’t look like a Chinese supermarket (with bright TL lighting).

In Old Shanghai in east Kelapa Gading, there’s even a Mutiara (Glodok and Puri). And close by there are more and more restaurants popping up. The one with Manadonese food is rather good. Tuna House in PIK I don’t like so much, it is somewhat chaotic and the food is not great, the original in Manado at the sea is much better.

The accessibility of PIK is still very bad. I don’t understand why the always build an ‘island’ here and start thinking about how to get there after the facts. Same for Taman Anggrek & Central Park, PIK2 beach etc. The whole north west of the DKI is difficult to reach.

Dang you know your restaurants! Manado: Wife loves Beautika...me, I can't eat it without burning my tongue. I swear they purposely do that so that you spend money on Rp 15,000 es teh and Rp 10,000 rice to calm your mouth down at the restaurant. AW Emanuel (available at select malls and mostly North side has pork...) is my preference and there is another one in kelapa gading but the name escapes me now.

I'm sure just like any other places in Jakarta, there is no more land in the middle....unless some rich company buys a group of like 20 rukos and rebuild a nice food court, etc...even then Food Centrum in Kemayoran, it was nice in the beginning for some reason it just didn't take off...maybe the Indonesian mentality too of wanting to do their one shop stopping (eat, kids play at kidzone plus do a bit of grocery shopping)..plus in some areas like Sunter, while there are quite a few good restaurants, it can't move up to nicer ambiance restaurants as (I remember in a conversation) somebody said to me...the customer in the North are extremely cost sensitive...you raise the price of nasi goreng from Rp 38,000 to 40,000 people start complaining..me on the other hand, I won't mind paying, give me a nicer ambiance (at least a decently air conditioned place with smart servers).

 

[sumyunggai]

Dang you know your restaurants! Manado: Wife loves Beautika...me, I can't eat it without burning my tongue. I swear they purposely do that so that you spend money on Rp 15,000 es teh and Rp 10,000 rice to calm your mouth down at the restaurant. AW Emanuel (available at select malls and mostly North side has pork...) is my preference and there is another one in kelapa gading but the name escapes me now.

Beautika is not spicy enough, lol. Also totally overpriced for just basic nasi campur atmosphere, also any restaurant that takes pork based-cuisine and then removes the pork is an automatic 0/10 for me.

 

[jstar]

There are not so many Minahasa or Manadonese restaurants that serve pork in Jakarta. Purely commercial decisions of course.

One of them is Andy Watung in Rawasari. They often even have dog.

Now some of the halal places as Bunga Pepaya and Restoran Ikan Tude Manado are not bad…

 

[pantaiema]

Indonesian Nasi Goreng (Fried Rice) is among the Best Rice Dishes in the World

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/geU0Fg7ik0w Indonesian Fried Rice Enters the List of the Best Rice Dishes in the World, Proud
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/best-rice-dishes-world/index.html Best rice dishes: 20 delicious specialities from around the world CNN Thu May 4, 2023

Indonesian Nasi goreng is almost certain added with MSGs, to enhance the flavour to get umami taste. Tons of people in Asia consume MSGs on daily intake, yet they are still alive doing daily activities like any other people around the world. Japan are among a country with the large number on centenarians.

As stated by FDA, EFSA or other reputable food, drug agency around the world; MSGs is not harmful if it is consumed in moderate quantity and consumed with food..