KITAP - The "Unlimited" One

Hi all,

I am an ex-WNI and have an Unlimited KITAP since 2019, I am due to report for my 5 year interview near the end of this march (2024), My sponsor was my mother who recently passed away a month ago. I went to the immigration today to ask for the forms and requirements, and asked if I can change my sponsor to my sister now, I was shocked when the officer told me that I would have to (Again) pay 5 million rupiah for a NEW Kitap that would basically be my “First” KITAP again with a 5 year expiry date, and in five years I have to pay another 10 million Rupiah for my “second” Unlimited Kitap since I have a new sponsor. (Of course those are just the kitap fees not including MERP)

Does this sound right? Does anybody have any experience with this situation before?

I think it’s unfair and ridiculous that I would have to start over again just because my sponsor (mother) passed away and I have no choice but to change my sponsor.

What do you guys think? Is this normal according to the law? Any help or suggestion is much appreciated.

Thank you

Best regards,

kopijava2
 
Hi all,

I am an ex-WNI and have an Unlimited KITAP since 2019, I am due to report for my 5 year interview near the end of this march (2024), My sponsor was my mother who recently passed away a month ago. I went to the immigration today to ask for the forms and requirements, and asked if I can change my sponsor to my sister now, I was shocked when the officer told me that I would have to (Again) pay 5 million rupiah for a NEW Kitap that would basically be my “First” KITAP again with a 5 year expiry date, and in five years I have to pay another 10 million Rupiah for my “second” Unlimited Kitap since I have a new sponsor. (Of course those are just the kitap fees not including MERP)

Does this sound right? Does anybody have any experience with this situation before?

I think it’s unfair and ridiculous that I would have to start over again just because my sponsor (mother) passed away and I have no choice but to change my sponsor.

What do you guys think? Is this normal according to the law? Any help or suggestion is much appreciated.

Thank you

Best regards,

kopijava2
I have heard of this before when changing sponsors. Whether or not it's the actual rule, I don't know. You could always argue it with them but I'm not sure if it would be to your benefit. Maybe an actual attorney could get involved but that would take all the money you might save on the KITAP. Also they might try to make a case that you didn't notify them at the proper time when you mother passed. One month, maybe no problem. More than that and it could be a problem as well.
 
Thanks for the reply, but the limit is 60 days for reporting a sponsor that passed away or divorce
 
Is there a time limit if someone changes addresses? And what is the penalty if so?
 
If changing your sponsor but keeping the same visa type invalidated your current KITAP, wouldn't they have to send you back to KITAS?
 
Hi all,

I am an ex-WNI and have an Unlimited KITAP since 2019, I am due to report for my 5 year interview near the end of this march (2024), My sponsor was my mother who recently passed away a month ago. I went to the immigration today to ask for the forms and requirements, and asked if I can change my sponsor to my sister now, I was shocked when the officer told me that I would have to (Again) pay 5 million rupiah for a NEW Kitap that would basically be my “First” KITAP again with a 5 year expiry date, and in five years I have to pay another 10 million Rupiah for my “second” Unlimited Kitap since I have a new sponsor. (Of course those are just the kitap fees not including MERP)

Does this sound right? Does anybody have any experience with this situation before?

I think it’s unfair and ridiculous that I would have to start over again just because my sponsor (mother) passed away and I have no choice but to change my sponsor.

What do you guys think? Is this normal according to the law? Any help or suggestion is much appreciated.

Thank you

Best regards,

kopijava2

Unlimited ITAP, also known as Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR), Permanent Residence (PR), or a Green Card,whatever you want to call it eliminates the need for further sponsorship in many developed nations.

Similarly, in other countries, switching sponsors does not reset the residency clock. For example, if you change employers, the time you spent with your previous employer will still contribute towards your eligibility for permanent residence.

Indonesia seeks to project a tough image compared to other countries, yet it still ranks as one of the most corrupt nations in the world.

I'm also curious if there are any specific laws governing the resetting of your eligibility period when changing sponsors, as it often seems like they simply determine it arbitrarily. It sometimes is even worse as something to do with incompetency, not understand the immigration law, their own rules and regulations.
 
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I'm also curious if there are any specific laws governing the resetting of your eligibility period when changing sponsors, as it often seems like they simply determine it arbitrarily. It sometimes is even worse as something to do with incompetency, not understand the immigration law, their own rules and regulations.
I sometimes wonder if they just don't like losing the revenue stream from having to pay every few years. If they make you start over, they get to charge you for the "permanent" one again.
 
I sometimes wonder if they just don't like losing the revenue stream from having to pay every few years. If they make you start over, they get to charge you for the "permanent" one again.
That is the point I make earlier."Indonesia seeks to project a tough image compared to other countries, yet it still ranks as one of the most corrupt nations in the world". Examining numerous corruption cases involving law enforcers and lawmakers in the past, it seems reasonable to assume that a significant portion of these funds might end up in individual's pockets. Making it more complicated, costly, subtle (open to personal interpretation) serves as an ideal means to extract money through extortion.

In certain instances, in some cases there is now a requirement for individuals to deposit or block a substantial sum of money in state-owned banks. This will significantly effect individual in question because historically, numerous cases of large-scale corruption have originated from this sector, implicating high-ranking bank officials, legislators, and law enforcement authorities.

New that there will be a regime change. There is a lack of past evidence showcasing a dedicated effort to combat corruption. Upon examining historical records, one could argue that the opposite might prevail.
 
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Hi all,

I am an ex-WNI and have an Unlimited KITAP since 2019, I am due to report for my 5 year interview near the end of this march (2024), My sponsor was my mother who recently passed away a month ago. I went to the immigration today to ask for the forms and requirements, and asked if I can change my sponsor to my sister now, I was shocked when the officer told me that I would have to (Again) pay 5 million rupiah for a NEW Kitap that would basically be my “First” KITAP again with a 5 year expiry date, and in five years I have to pay another 10 million Rupiah for my “second” Unlimited Kitap since I have a new sponsor. (Of course those are just the kitap fees not including MERP)

Does this sound right? Does anybody have any experience with this situation before?

I think it’s unfair and ridiculous that I would have to start over again just because my sponsor (mother) passed away and I have no choice but to change my sponsor.

What do you guys think? Is this normal according to the law? Any help or suggestion is much appreciated.

Thank you

Best regards,

kopijava2
That is the usual practice. When the sponsor is changed the KITAP is reset.
 
A Dutch friend returned to Indonesia to take up employment with a dive company. Singaporean owned. He applied for the work Kitas and his employer said he has to pay for it. I was under the impression that an employer organized and paid for the employees Kitas. Are there rules relate to whose responsibility this is?
 
A Dutch friend returned to Indonesia to take up employment with a dive company. Singaporean owned. He applied for the work Kitas and his employer said he has to pay for it. I was under the impression that an employer organized and paid for the employees Kitas. Are there rules relate to whose responsibility this is?
Singaporean owned? I am not surprised that your friend has to pay the Kitas-work. Expensive, because one has to extend the work-permit every time, right? Advice: stay in NL.
 
Singaporean owned? I am not surprised that your friend has to pay the Kitas-work. Expensive, because one has to extend the work-permit every time, right? Advice: stay in NL.
A bit late to stay in NL. He is already here, bought a large scooter and rented a house. But the question is does the employer have the responsibility of arranging a work kitas? The Singaporean owner lives here and manages the business.
 
A bit late to stay in NL. He is already here, bought a large scooter and rented a house. But the question is does the employer have the responsibility of arranging a work kitas? The Singaporean owner lives here and manages the business.
The phrase used, as always: "This is Indonesia". Responsibility?
I read some posts in FB or here, can't remember, about an Aussie teacher wanting to teach in some Bali High School. She had to pay for her kitas-work too and asked questions about that, before she accepted the job. Also asked question about wages. Many teachers said that a prestigious school normally would take care of kitas and work permit. Would!
Maybe the teachers here on this forum can shed light on this?
 
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A Dutch friend returned to Indonesia to take up employment with a dive company. Singaporean owned. He applied for the work Kitas and his employer said he has to pay for it. I was under the impression that an employer organized and paid for the employees Kitas. Are there rules relate to whose responsibility this is?

The sponsor or company pays of course

Singaporean owned sounds like it's not a legal company here.
And for him to (somehow) rent a house and buy a scooter before he even got a visa to live and work here legally is pretty stupid.

He could be in a lot of trouble. And all that money gone too.
You better tell your friend of a friend to leave immediately and come back on the correct visa and don't work until he has the IMTA and kitas sorted.

Otherwise he will get deported and never be allowed back not even to sell his bike

How did he even rent a house without a kitas?
 
At the moment he is still on his visitor's visa and will not commence work until the kitas work visa is approved. There was no enquiry about his visa status when renting the house.

I suppose I should have asked about theoretical responsibility of the employer. Do you happen to have a link to the actual rules regarding kitas work visas? Even with the evidence the employer might just shrug and say bad luck. It does not augur well for his employment if the employer has deliberately avoided the responsibility. I suspect if there were a quiet period the owner would probably just lay him off until things got busy.
 
At the moment he is still on his visitor's visa and will not commence work until the kitas work visa is approved. There was no enquiry about his visa status when renting the house.

I suppose I should have asked about theoretical responsibility of the employer. Do you happen to have a link to the actual rules regarding kitas work visas? Even with the evidence the employer might just shrug and say bad luck. It does not augur well for his employment if the employer has deliberately avoided the responsibility. I suspect if there were a quiet period the owner would probably just lay him off until things got busy.
I am also curious about this Kitas work visa? Is this possible? Also did this person get a signed notarized document for renting this villa? Sounds like it could be all under the table business. Whose name is the motorbike under?
 
It is the responsibility of the employer. The "pemohon" applicant for the work permit (RPTKA) and for the KITAS is the employer. The applicant is the one responsible to pay.

However, is there any enforcement of this? No, never heard of it happening. And Manpower and Immigration aren't going to get involved, they just need to be paid the appropriate fees and don't care the source.

If the person already has a contract for employment, they could try to get it enforced through the courts, but we all know that will cost far too much money and headache to possibly still go nowhere.

His only real option is to negotiate with the employer and make explicit agreement his pay, benefits, and responsibility for work permit and visa fees. Of course this should have been done prior to moving, but he's past that point now, leaving the employer in the stronger position to negotiate it now.
 

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