How Indonesian resort island Bali became a refuge for Ukrainians and Russians

[pantaiema]

Yeah，I guess that's more or less what I was saying. Call those out who misbehave and do something against them before shit gets out of control，which can happen pretty fast.

About the number of people who supported or not support Putin I don't really care. There are a lot of dynamics at play and as outsiders it's always easy to judge. I don't know if that is whataboutism or whatever but all this talk about Putin supporters worldwide would be a lot more impressive and a lot less hypocritical， if we would judge wars with US involvement with the same standards. This sentence has gotten way too long..

You get that sort of behaviour of some people everywhere in the world. What about the westerners, British People when they are on Holiday in Spain, Greece, Caribbeans. After bar Crawl they are getting drunk, vomiting everywhere on the streets, some girls without their top lay in the pavement, boys with just their underwears. Hooligans disrupting the bars when travelling to other countries supporting their teams. German youngsters in Balearic island of Mallorca, Caribbeans.. In the US youngsters during the springbreak, westerners and australians and some surfers behaviour in Kuta, a few are even having sex on the beach.
Other thing westerners and rich Asian People in Pattaya, Phuket, Bangkok PatPong, Angeles City in Philippines, Phnom Penh in Cambodia. But these people bring businesses, spend money that benefit the local economy.

 

[Samoerai]

Think about it, if you were in their situation i.e. risking being drafted with a 50% chance to die or be seriously injured, as a married man with kids what would you do ? At least if you have the means.

They certainly have the means ...

 

[pantaiema]

I am not quite sure people comparing Russians with Nazi, Hitler, where in fact the Russian army is the main force causing the Nazi/Hitler to be defeated. They also suffered a lot from Nazi/Hitler during WW2. Keep in mind if not because of Russian Army stopped Nazi/Hitler expansion to the east, attacking them from the East and then invaded the east Berlin, Nazi / Hitler would not acknowledge defeat by committing suicide. Allied force would not win the WW2.

It will need a differentiation between bad leader and generalising bad people/citizen

 

[scouser59]

I am not quite sure people comparing Russians with Nazi, Hitler. Where in fact the Russian army is the main force causing the Nazi/Hitler to be defeated. They also suffered a lot from Nazi/Hitler during WW2. Keep in mind if not because of Russian Army stopped Nazi/Hitler expansion to the east, attacking them from the East and then invaded the east Berlin, Nazi / Hitler would not acknowledge defeat by committing suicide. Allied force would not win the WW2.

It will need a differentiation between bad leader and generalising bad people/citizen

So why would a Russian leader and soldiers do the same brutal things, killing women and children etc etc ,which they suffered in WW2 , It is illogical .
Did they learn nothing ,except to repeat the same BS which happened to them .

 

[Samoerai]

So why would a Russian leader and soldiers do the same brutal things, killing women and children etc etc ,which they suffered in WW2 , It is illogical .

.. and invading Ukrain to kill and get rid of the nazi's overthere. What?

Putin says he wants to 'denazify' Ukraine. Here's how that claim distorts history

Russian President Vladimir Putin invoked World War II to justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine, saying in televised remarks last week that his offensive aimed to "denazify" the country — whose democratically elected president is Jewish

www.kuow.org

 

[Balifrog]

So why would a Russian leader and soldiers do the same brutal things, killing women and children etc etc ,which they suffered in WW2 , It is illogical .
Did they learn nothing ,except to repeat the same BS which happened to them .

Read a few history books about Ukraine, and you will understand.
Not saying it is right, but there is an certain explanation.

 

[scouser59]

Read a few history books about Ukraine, and you will understand.
Not saying it is right, but there is an certain explanation.

Ya of course it is good ,to masscre women children and old people , im sure hitler and the rest of the dictators had their misguided apologists .

 

[Balifrog]

.. and invading Ukrain to kill and get rid of the nazi's overthere. What?

Putin says he wants to 'denazify' Ukraine. Here's how that claim distorts history

Russian President Vladimir Putin invoked World War II to justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine, saying in televised remarks last week that his offensive aimed to "denazify" the country — whose democratically elected president is Jewish

www.kuow.org

A rather fair article, except for the 2 last paragraphs.
If one wants Putin on trial, there is a whole list of senior politicians who should go first.
All US presidents who started / continued wars, GW Bush coming first, French ex president Sarkozy and his friend Bernard Henry Levy for agressing Libya are the first who come to my mind.
Add MBS from Saudi for the massacres in Yemen (400k death)
TBH this court is a shame, a parody of justice, being controlled by the West and carefully avoiding punishing their peers. They prefer to put on trial some ex African leaders. Much easier.

 

[Balifrog]

Ya of course it is good ,to masscre women children and old people , im sure hitler and the rest of the dictators had their misguided apologists .

Remember the My Lai massacre ?
Or the Bình Mai massacre (perpretrated by Koreans).
Just 2 examples. There are looooooong lists of them.
A country like the US that has officielly legalized torture ( Guantanamo and Abu Grahim as examples) is not in the proper postion to accuse others.

 

[snpark]

Tony Blair from UK who lied to Parliament to go to war with his buddy Bush
Still no WMD found
Watch Green Zone Matt Damon

 

[jstar]

Remember the My Lai massacre ?
Or the Bình Mai massacre (perpretrated by Koreans).
Just 2 examples. There are looooooong lists of them.
A country like the US that has officielly legalized torture ( Guantanamo and Abu Grahim as examples) is not in the proper postion to accuse others.

All whataboutism of course.

Let them invade a neutral country and sovereign state since the French screwed up in North Africa, the Dutch in Indonesia, the Belgians in Congo, the British everywhere, the Spanish in South America, the Portuguese in India, the Cambodjans‘s on themselves, the Turks on the Armenians, the Danish in the Caribbean, the Italians in Somalia, Sri Lanka with the Tamils, Boko Haram in Nigeria, Rwanda on the Tutsi’s, the Germans …..

Personally I have some more problems with Ukrainians that fled than with Russians (cf. Vietnam). I would really want to defend my country….

 

[Balifrog]

Personally I have some more problems with Ukrainians that fled than with Russians (cf. Vietnam). I would really want to defend my country….

It are mainly women, children and elders who fled as Zelensky from the very beginning has banned all males from 18 to 60 to leave the country.
A lot of rumors going around about forced recruitment at the moment in Ukraine BTW !

 

[MamangDudul]

Personally In can understand anyone who doesn't want to die for their country. Iam more of a fan of send the politicians to the frontlines and see how long the war lasts.
I would surly defend my family and as much friends as I can, at least as far as possible. Still, if I would have a chance to flee with my family I wouldn't hesitate one second.

Being a patriot is all nice and good, but most of the countries (as in governments)don't really give a damn about their citizens, so Iam not here to fight other people's wars or proxy wars and whatever. Someone wants to call me a coward for that? Feel free to do so.

 

[MamangDudul]

You get that sort of behaviour of some people everywhere in the world. What about the westerners, British People when they are on Holiday in Spain, Greece, Caribbeans. After bar Crawl they are getting drunk, vomiting everywhere on the streets, some girls without their top lay in the pavement, boys with just their underwears. Hooligans disrupting the bars when travelling to other countries supporting their teams. German youngsters in Balearic island of Mallorca, Caribbeans.. In the US youngsters during the springbreak, westerners and australians and some surfers behaviour in Kuta, a few are even having sex on the beach.
Other thing westerners and rich Asian People in Pattaya, Phuket, Bangkok PatPong, Angeles City in Philippines, Phnom Penh in Cambodia. But these people bring businesses, spend money that benefit the local economy.

Yeah and I don't like that behavior from no one. It's more about masses of people coming into a country to stay longer than your average tourist. This will soon lead to problems if you can't handle it the right way.

 

[snpark]

When I first lived in Dubai early 90's the Russians already tried to take over. Even road signs in Russian language I forget what it's called now

Eventually the Emirati's regained control. Then it was Pakistan and Bangladesh muslims for construction. Indians for trading.
But they really wanted Chinese Muslims. So a whole area was build near Al Awir with a huuuuge mall called Dragon Mart in the shape of a dragon and a whole community of ruko, small shops with living area above.

Then I started telling my European friends about Dubai and it became the new Tenerife with Dave the London cabbie saving coupons from the Sun and staying in "the Badger" hotel for £299 a week Inc flights. Lol
Now it's just Vegas. Literally. Pi55heads on the razz

 

[snpark]

Cyrillic

 

[jstar]

There‘s a video going viral of some Russian ladies opening a manicure with neon signs on the house. It is called Syka (seems to mean bitch) and you can find it on Instagram.

 

[jstar]

About the fake and custom made number plates on the vehicles: Sandiaga Uno, our brilliant minister of tourism, stated that it in fact is the fault of the rental companies who should have informed their customers something like that is not allowed

And about working he thinks it’s perfectly fine to work online as long as the people don’t take jobs from the Balinese.

 

[Samoerai]

About the fake and custom made number plates on the vehicles: Sandiaga Uno, our brilliant minister of tourism, stated that it in fact is the fault of the rental companies who should have informed their customers something like that is not allowed

And about working he thinks it’s perfectly fine to work online as long as the people don’t take jobs from the Balinese.

Very mature this minister, blaming others. Typical behaviour here, I noticed.

 

[SamR]

If the interview with the IG account highlighting how the Russians are behaving is any indication, their downfall seems to be that they couldn't keep a low profile and have begun to blatantly attract attention (ie. openly marketing their business).

EXCLUSIVE: Unlikely social media activist @moscow_cabang_bali on illegal workers, personal threats, and the focus on Russians | Coconuts

Foreigners working in Bali without a proper permit is a tale as old as time. But they are once again in the spotlight thanks to one anonymous Instagram account.

coconuts.co

Is there a way for them to become legit? If their Kitas is an investor Kitas but in practice they become a DJ, does Immigration allow for them to update their Kitas from investor to DJ or what?