How do you guys invest?

[pantaiema]

It’s easy to ride a wave in the short term and get big gains. It’s entirely different to average 50% or more gains, year after year for 10-20 years.

A very successful ETF might return 30-40% in a great year, and lose 10-15% in a bad year. If they’re averaging 25% a year for a decade, they’re doing great.

The reason these brokers exist is to get fees on the transactions. If it was guaranteed, they’d just be doing it to make themselves money. People get greedy, and put larger and larger sums in, until a bad trade wipes them out.

Definitely. If you start investing on the dip the start of COVID-19 pandemic of major indices March 2020 on S&P 500, DJIA, Nasdaq 100, You will still see your return 100%+ nowadays. But Different thing if you started in January this year 2022. All of these indices have been beaten down in the current bear market the worst inflation since 40 years ago.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

I do gold futures options trading through a legal registered company here and they turned 450jt into 830 in a month.
I don't pay them anything. They of course get a commission on every trade but they didn't "sell" me any platform.
I went to their office. I met them.
They have analysts etc. They just trade on volatility. No robot. Fully licenced by OJK.
..

A friend of mine did exactly this (even including the girls to do the trades). Perhaps it was the same company. At one point he was $500k up (I saw it in his app). Ultimately he lost everything he'd gained (except what he had cashed out earlier). He said it was an extended lack of volatility that finished him in the end.

Also he doesn't work in finance and might not have fully understood the risks.

It is a legitimate way of trading, but success does seem to depend on there being volatility in the gold price. To do it well you need an extremely good knowledge of current affairs and how certain events push the gold price up or down. During a war seems a good time, after the war, maybe not so much. Also millions of other people are trying to make money from the gold price too, and as in any market there will be winners and losers.

 

[snpark]

 

[snpark]

This is from this morning. 28jt

 

[snpark]

Anyway not arguing with anyone

My money is safe. I can only lose what I risk.
That's what investment is
No risk no reward
I'm also shocked and amazed at the returns and delighted
Yes I also heard of people losing it all but seems they were mismanaged or didn't understand what they had or were doing.

As I said, the thread is how do you invest.

This is one thing I am doing.
That's all

 

[R Cameron]

@snpark can you explain your screenshots to us? Every single trade turned a profit? 26/26? Are these results filtered?

 

[snpark]

I can show a screen shot of my current trades and the one here is the end of the day when I have liquidated some positions

 

[snpark]

These are my current trades. At the moment I'm well ahead on some because gold is $1980+

The red showing losses are because I have positions open to sell at a lower price below $1920
Once the price drops like after the war (example) the $ will strengthen and gold will weaken and then I can liquidate those positions too.

I let the analysts do the trading as I'm too busy on here and they have a better idea of the markets.
So each day they send me w/a of what I made.
Some days could be only 5jt. Some days 25/30/50jt

Some days nothing because market flat so they don't close any positions

Like I said it's not for beginners but you can just let them trade on your behalf and ask them for no leverage / margin etc.
(Less risk)

 

[snpark]

If any of you are interested I'm happy to DM you my broker and she can explain everything clearly and concisely

You can start with a small amount and cash out anytime. Or just tell them to stop trading or just do very small low risk trades.

Like I said I was just after 5% a year. 5jt per 100jt I gave her. In a year. She mad me 6jt in 11 mins.

I'm not expecting this to last and joke with her she spoilt me from the beginning.

I'm able to withdraw to my bca anytime from my trading account. What's in my trading account is my own money.
Like having a stockbroker buy and sell shares.
All licenced here by OJK

I'm with Cyber Futures. My broker is Tasya from team Cut Nisa. Menara Sudirman. Behind stock exchange.
I'm registered with them also. It's all official above board etc when you sign up you have to show all ID etc and you get stock exchange investor number etc etc

I'm sure it will end one day and then it will be back to slow dull boring trades again but right now I'm happy.

Am trying to answer questions as simply as possible but if you aren't an expert then just let them trade for you and tell them hati2

 

[snpark]

If it's ok with admin? I've checked with Tasya and she said happy to answer questions by phone w/a etc.
She speaks good English
+62 812-1847-5731
081218475731
Tasya

Just as a courtesy mention you got her number from Mr Yellow lol
So she isn't scratching her head why she's suddenly so popular.

She gave her consent to her number being posted

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Really appreciate the details, thanks

 

[Helpful Herbert]

What is the time limit for open trades? If gold keeps going up for another year, will you have to swallow big losses on those red trades or can you hold positions indefinitely? It seems you have a margin of 100 (gold goes down $15, you make $1500 if it was a sell trade of 1 unit), so if it goes up is your loss capped in any way?

 

[snpark]

That's why it's called hedging your bets and why I leave that to the experts to decide a strategy.
Although you might think it's a large spread in the last couple of months it has been below $1900 and above $2000
That's where you make the big bucks
The trick is to only liquidate when you have enough to cover potential loss. So sometimes I see a load of blue and get excited but they said relax, we can't sell that yet because we need more liquidity on the "reds".
i.e. for me it's better if it plummets then rebounds rather than rockets then drops. But either way I'm making small profits along the way

 

[R Cameron]

Okay @snpark, you do your thing, and it sounds like you have diversified with safer investments as well.

For the sake of others who may be awestruck by these claims; what snpark is describing is Day Trading and is not traditionally considered "investing". Here is a good article breaking down some of the allure of Day Trading: https://www.fool.com/investing/how-to-invest/stocks/day-trading/

 

[Helpful Herbert]

It's not quite day trading, because in day trading you generally close positions at the end of each day, whereas snpark has positions going on for weeks. It is more like options trading (i.e. leveraged bet that the price will go down or up), such as those who short Tesla or GameStop, but of gold not stocks.

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I think the biggest risk is that you can make good money at the beginning, but over time you have more and more unfavourable positions (eg option to buy at $1990 when the price keeps going down) that cannot be liquidated. If everything moves the right way though, there are clearly big rewards available.

 

[snpark]

Yes in the interests of full transparency I / we decided to close some positions and take a small loss since looks like the war is extending but that will be clawed back by the end of the month. I was being restricted due to my lack of liquidity.
But I am still way way ahead and in profit and closing those positions today means I can shuffle around things.

 

[centurion]

We finally know how all of these bogus Binary options, Robo Trading such as Fahrenheit, DNA Pro, (NET89, ATG/ATC will probably follow) have ended up now ?? It is an apparent danger of investing using investment platform in Indonesia. The watchdogs, the regulators are always lagging behind the scammers. And it seems so many youngsters in Indonesia are not using their rationals to make such an important decision. They have been blindfolded by getting rich quicker. 80/20 win rate, 20% a month return ? OMG less than a minute search you will find that even the best traders on earth, the billionaire investors such as Warren Buffet, Peter Lynch, Jim Simmons can not get that return.

Keep in mind trading is a zero sum game. If there was such a wonderful robot could make 80/20 win rate, 20% a month (simple equate 240% a year) why do they need to sell it to other people, just to get more competitors in the market rather then keeping it for themselves ?? You could get a Loan for 10% interest from the bank and do trading/invest you still have a margin of 230% to win. Let alone you trade with margin using 100X+ leverage.

These are not robot trading companies, but boiler rooms, just a platform simulating the trading while there is no actual trade. Otherwise, somebody would get a Nobel prize for economics already.

Investment scam: I lost $50,000 in fake online trading

Be suspicious of investment opportunities that promise a high return with little or no risk, and don't let anyone pressure you into making decisions about your money or investments.

www.scamwatch.gov.au

 

[centurion]

There is nothing illegal about using a foreign-based broker from Indonesia.

True, but foreign brokers from offshore are not allowed to operate in Indonesia. That means that most of their websites are in geoblock and you cannot access them, or they will in many cases refuse to register your account if you are an Indonesian resident.
However, if you can access some of them from here it is probably legal.

 

[snpark]

These are not robot trading companies, but boiler rooms, just a platform simulating the trading while there is no actual trade. Otherwise, somebody would get a Nobel prize for economics already.

Investment scam: I lost $50,000 in fake online trading

Be suspicious of investment opportunities that promise a high return with little or no risk, and don't let anyone pressure you into making decisions about your money or investments.

www.scamwatch.gov.au

So are you accusing PT Cyber Futures of being a scam, a boiler room etc etc?
Just so we are clear?
Because the company I use (PT CFF) is NOT a boiler room, they are a legitimate company with an office and staff and regulated and licensed by OJK and Stock exchange, they use Meta Trader 4 / 5 platform, all the bank accounts are segregated / isolated etc etc and I know a lot of the staff and even some of their clients.

I can assure you I did my due diligence.

Yes I agree a lot of scams, but this company is NOT one of them.

 

[snpark]

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