E32A AKA Disapora Visa

[Shadrach]

Not surprised about minorities voting for Trump. I think that many migrants from impoverished nations are relieved to get into a developed country and don't want their new lives spoiled by millions of refugees or illegals upsetting the apple cart.

So what you are saying is basically. They were lucky and made it in, so screw all the rest, and shut the door to anymore new comers! Compassion at it's finest.

 

[fastpitch17]

So what you are saying is basically. They were lucky and made it in, so screw all the rest, and shut the door to anymore new comers! Compassion at it's finest.

No, I understand Harry's statement. The ones that go through a hell of a lot to be in a developed nation legally would probably have some animosity towards anyone who entered the same nation illegally. It isn't a matter of everyone getting a door shut in them, more the there are processes that one needs to go through like they did.

In the US it doesn't matter which side of the political fence you may be sitting. The US has a serious boarder crossing problem where there are just too many entering. Sure, people argue that they are needed for construction and farming but if that's the case, create programs where migrants are hired from outside the boarder for temporary jobs. There are millions of migrants and not enough crops or buildings to hire them all

 

[pantaiema]

Yes, but the point of the post is foreigners are not allowed to do that in Indonesia. It doesn't seem fair, that rich Indonesians can buy Australian property, but Australians can't be Indonesian property!

Indonesia is not the only country that implements such a system. I believe you have been long enough in Indonesia, to understand that the Indonesian authorities, policy makers tend to cherry pick policy in ways that make policies and lawmakers appear competent, smart, as if they are working in the best interest of the people, nation while often overlooking long-term benefits. Land ownership is one example, but another recent example is the customs duty on bringing mobile phones or tablets valued over USD 500.

Other good example include the rights to work for a WNI spouse sponsored visa, or the holder of Indonesian permanent residence. In many developed countries, a spouse does not even need permanent residency, to work in their spouse countries.

The treatment of Indonesians citizen of Chinese descent as second-class citizens is another example.
Some Chinese Indonesians are not just 3rd or 4th but some are the 8th generation, with ancestors who came to Indonesia as early as 1408, like I have posted about this history in here.

Dual citizenship, how likely is it?

Don't hold your breath. The discourse about dual citizenship is always rewarmed before the election, just a bit too early now. Once the election over, they will put it inside the drawer. I don't see this will be different but I'm glad if I'm wrong as I do have an interest.

www.expatindo.org

Recently the situation has gradually changed which I believe due to the Indonesian government's interest to maintain strong relations with China, which has become a global power and a key partner for Indonesia, the government does not want to be seen as one of the most racist country in the world which is no longer suitable in the modern world. Not to mention the pressure from individuals of Chinese descent, from around the world.

There are other areas to consider as well, when come to cherry pick the policy.

 

[Shadrach]

Indonesia is not the only country that implements such a system. I believe you have been long enough in Indonesia, to understand that it likes a part of the sub-culture in Indonesia where the system is cherry picked. The authorities tend to implement it only in ways that make policies and lawmakers appear competent, smart, as if they are working in the best interest of the people, nation while often overlooking long-term benefits. Land ownership is one example, but another recent example is the customs duty on bringing mobile phones or tablets valued over USD 500.

Other good example include the rights to work for a WNI spouse sponsored visa, or the holder of Indonesian permanent residence. In many developed countries, a spouse does not even need permanent residency, to work in their spouse countries.

The treatment of Indonesians citizen of Chinese descent as second-class citizens is another example.
Some Chinese Indonesians are not just 3rd or 4th but even even 8th generation, with ancestors who came to Indonesia as early as 1408, like I have posted in here.

Dual citizenship, how likely is it?

Don't hold your breath. The discourse about dual citizenship is always rewarmed before the election, just a bit too early now. Once the election over, they will put it inside the drawer. I don't see this will be different but I'm glad if I'm wrong as I do have an interest.

www.expatindo.org

The situation has gradually improved recently due to the influence of individuals of Chinese descent, from around the world. Additionally, it is driven by the Indonesian government's desire to maintain strong relations with China, which has become a global power and a key partner for Indonesia. There are other factors to consider as well, if you examine the situation more closely.

Yea, they want their money!

 

[merahputih]

Yes, but the point of the post is foreigners are not allowed to do that in Indonesia. It doesn't seem fair, that rich Indonesians can buy Australian property, but Australians can't be Indonesian property!

I don't know if many foreigners will want to buy property with all plus minus, cultural, political, and economical situation Indonesia has. But the buying power of people from developed countries is certainly bigger than most Indonesians. If WNA are allowed to have Hak Milik over properties in Indonesia, I believe the price will go up fast and it will be more and more unaffordable for most WNI. I think that was the thought behind that Hak Milik & Hak Pakai law.

 

[Samoerai]

The basis of modern Indonesian land law is Law Number 5 of the 1960 Basic Agrarian Law Act, which stipulates several types of land titles applicable in Indonesia with the main rights and titles over the land being those regulated under the Indonesian Agrarian Law. The basic principles of Agrarian affairs – soil, water and resources contained within the territory of the Republic of Indonesia are owned by the Indonesian Nation and shall be for the interest and welfare of the nation and people of Indonesia.

 

[Shadrach]

I don't know if many foreigners will want to buy property with all plus minus, cultural, political, and economical situation Indonesia has. But the buying power of people from developed countries is certainly bigger than most Indonesians. If WNA are allowed to have Hak Milik over properties in Indonesia, I believe the price will go up fast and it will be more and more unaffordable for most WNI. I think that was the thought behind that Hak Milik & Hak Pakai law.

That's only due to the greed of the people selling the property. Just because a foreigner wants to buy property, doesn't have to make the price any different, than selling to a local.

 

[Shadrach]

I don't know if many foreigners will want to buy property with all plus minus, cultural, political, and economical situation Indonesia has. But the buying power of people from developed countries is certainly bigger than most Indonesians. If WNA are allowed to have Hak Milik over properties in Indonesia, I believe the price will go up fast and it will be more and more unaffordable for most WNI. I think that was the thought behind that Hak Milik & Hak Pakai law.

The first sentence is a sad, but true fact, for foreigners!

 

[harryopal1]

That's only due to the greed of the people selling the property. Just because a foreigner wants to buy property, doesn't have to make the price any different, than selling to a local.

If there were no restraints on foreign ownership there would be a surge of foreigners buying to live here and others buying for investment purposes. This would drive prices up. Just the surge of foreign land leases in Bali with many Russians and Ukrainians has seen a huge increase with building villas and tourist related businesses and a major impact on rising prices for rentals and house purchases.

There is a reasonable argument that people in Indonesia with permanent residence ought be able to buy land or house and land but there could be a limit of one land/house ownership per person as a means of keeping land ownership generally in Indonesian hands. Huge areas of Australia have been bought by foreign interests and mutiple purchases of houses and apartments by foreigners and wealthy people... mostly Chinese. Australia now has an accommodation crisis with millions of citizens struggling to maintain mortgages and ever increasing numbers of homeless people including people with full time employment but unable to afford rentals which have gone sky high.

 

[Shadrach]

If there were no restraints on foreign ownership there would be a surge of foreigners buying to live here and others buying for investment purposes. This would drive prices up. Just the surge of foreign land leases in Bali with many Russians and Ukrainians has seen a huge increase with building villas and tourist related businesses and a major impact on rising prices for rentals and house purchases.

There is a reasonable argument that people in Indonesia with permanent residence ought be able to buy land or house and land but there could be a limit of one land/house ownership per person as a means of keeping land ownership generally in Indonesian hands. Huge areas of Australia have been bought by foreign interests and mutiple purchases of houses and apartments by foreigners and wealthy people... mostly Chinese. Australia now has an accommodation crisis with millions of citizens struggling to maintain mortgages and ever increasing numbers of homeless people including people with full time employment but unable to afford rentals which have gone sky high.
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I like your idea about people with permanent resident visa's, being able to purchase 1 piece of land only. No speculators!
That is sad about the cost of living getting so high, that more and more people can't afford basic amenities anymore. And working people being homeless is outrageous! This is an American problem also. What about Europe?

 

[marcus]

That's only due to the greed of the people selling the property. Just because a foreigner wants to buy property, doesn't have to make the price any different, than selling to a local.

My country allows foreigners to buy . I already saw in the news a foreign investment company saying they want to buy because the property prices were low at that moment (it is possible that they had bought already when they said that) .

As I see , prices of everything are monitored by "investment" companies in order to maximize profits (mostly for the privileged rich people) .

Property prices are not an exception . I don't know all the factors involved , but in all over the world , they have been rising more than the salaries , making average people more unhappy .


From https://www.visualcapitalist.com/median-house-prices-vs-income-us/
Title : Charted: U.S. Median House Prices vs. Income
By Omri Wallach , Feb 2024
... In 1984, the median annual income for an American household stood at $22,420/year, and the median house sales price .. at $78,200. The house sales price-to-income ratio stood at 3.49 ... median house prices are now nearly 6x (5.81) the median household income in America ($74,580 versus $433,100) ...