Dual Passport/Citizenship Borderless Travel etc

[snpark]

I didn't say having no possessions! I just said everyone having enough so they don't need what others have. Its OK to share and help each other. John called it The Brotherhood of Man it's really not impossible.

 

[Shadrach]

Obviously you have no sense of humour

And I'm British. So I don't really give a fuck.

And not only that but I have TWO British passports. Perfectly legal. Same name. Same photo. No link. But just luck that now one is burgundy pre Brexit and one is dark navy post Brexit.

The burgundy one is full so the next one otw to me is going to be dark navy but from the king not the queen.
So now 2 blue post brexit passports but one from Liz one from Charles.

So not jealous at all about dual nationality.

I've been to Saudi, Russia, Kuwait, Qatar, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Lebanon, Iraq, Malta, France and even USA, Barbados and Brazil. And 107 other countries. But ironically never Canada or India

So no I'm not jealous you have Indonesian passport at all. I probably have more rights here than you do hahaha. The world is phucked up that's for sure.

What is your problem? You sound so Bitter! I didn't see that Jamieson said anything about having two passports. You need to get off your high British horse and calm down some. You think you have more rights than others? That's a wrong!

 

[Helpful Herbert]

I didn't say having no possessions! I just said everyone having enough so they don't need what others have. Its OK to share and help each other. John called it The Brotherhood of Man it's really not impossible.

Well he didn't practise it himself, he was one of the least sharing people there was. He and Yoko cut off his older son Julian Lennon from contact with him, and treated him terribly. In fact when John died, Yoko made Julian purchase things like childhood mementos etc. as she refused to give him anything of John's. He had to sue Yoko to get a single cent, when John was worth $500m+.

So yes, Brotherhood of Man. It's easy if you try.

 

[MamangDudul]

I fail to see any humor in this topic! It is a shame that we have to be this or that nationality. I would prefer to live where I want, when I want. When people travelled two hundred years ago, Did they have passports? I don't think so. Many great artist moved from their home countries and settled in foreign lands. Here Walter Spies, ( sorry for my spelling), Antonio Blanco, and Paul Gaugain in Tahiti, ( spelling again) Ernest Hemingway! So many more I can't name. I don't think they had to have time limits on living in foreign lands, with passports. Correct me if I'm wrong please! What I'm trying say is the world would been denied such masterpieces created by these geniuses if they had been restricted by borders and rules!
With populations growing so fast and so many troubles in the world, people are going to migrate and cannot be stop by borders and passports!
Is it possible to find a solution where there is enough for all? Everyone deserves basic Human rights to a home, food, clean water, a good life for them and their children without destroying this Planet and all the animals that were here before us! Time will tell!

Surly an interesting view that I can totally sympathize with. Even though I basically have the possibility to live in almost every country I want, I still feel like we built some or one of the worst anti-human systems possible. Sure it could always be worse and I don't get tired of saying that Iam not a commie, but I still think everything could be so much better and easier for everyone. Anyway Iam not smart enough to invent a new system haha. I think as long as everything is based on money, interests, debts and (artificial) shortage we will never reach a better world. Again though, I have no real serious idea how it should work.
I think more people should acknowledge that everyones existence and the different possibilities that come with it are pure luck. Nobody chooses where to be born or into what situation to be born into or even if he/she (sorry for being traditional here ) even wants to be born.

 

[Hawk256]

Planet Earth!

You didn't answer a single question I asked. Proably becuase you don't really practice what you preach. You just dream about a land that could never exist and needs no laws. You want a free world but won't start with your own home.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

You just dream about a land that could never exist and needs no laws. You want a free world but won't start with your own home.

Exactly like John Lennon!

 

[snpark]

If only you have a life.

It seems that you are jealous of those who have dual citizenship. If you don't like the topic just skip through it, better get a life mate

dual citizenship - dual passports right?

 

[Balifrog]

And I'm British. So I don't really give a fuck.

And not only that but I have TWO British passports

Yes, but remember the language on the front cover of your British passport....

And no, don't blame it on Brexit.....

 

[fastpitch17]

I fail to see any humor in this topic! It is a shame that we have to be this or that nationality. I would prefer to live where I want, when I want. When people travelled two hundred years ago, Did they have passports? I don't think so. Many great artist moved from their home countries and settled in foreign lands. Here Walter Spies, ( sorry for my spelling), Antonio Blanco, and Paul Gaugain in Tahiti, ( spelling again) Ernest Hemingway! So many more I can't name. I don't think they had to have time limits on living in foreign lands, with passports. Correct me if I'm wrong please! What I'm trying say is the world would been denied such masterpieces created by these geniuses if they had been restricted by borders and rules!
With populations growing so fast and so many troubles in the world, people are going to migrate and cannot be stop by borders and passports!
Is it possible to find a solution where there is enough for all? Everyone deserves basic Human rights to a home, food, clean water, a good life for them and their children without destroying this Planet and all the animals that were here before us! Time will tell!

This is about the most asinine post in this thread. It even places above snpark's postings and that is pretty hard to do.

The world doesn't need more open boarders, it needs more closed boarders with workable systems in place for those that are allowed to cross. No rules? Without rules and laws you have chaos. You have no system of organization of the masses. Of course, there are good rules and bad rules which comes down to who puts those rules into play. Bad rule people can be dealt with in various ways when the masses disagree with them.

If you want freedom to roam Earth then all services offered by governments with your no rules would come to an end. No nation could afford it and without rules, no nation could finance it.

Yep. Asinine

 

[Balifrog]

This is about the most asinine post in this thread. It even places above snpark's postings and that is pretty hard to do.

The world doesn't need more open boarders, it needs more closed boarders with workable systems in place for those that are allowed to cross. No rules? Without rules and laws you have chaos. You have no system of organization of the masses. Of course, there are good rules and bad rules which comes down to who puts those rules into play. Bad rule people can be dealt with in various ways when the masses disagree with them.

If you want freedom to roam Earth then all services offered by governments with your no rules would come to an end. No nation could afford it and without rules, no nation could finance it.

Yep. Asinine

First thing would be for the "developed" West not to try to impose their rules, democracy, freedom of speech, human rights and religion on other countries....
Oh, and I forget the LGBTXYZ madness.....

Let other countries rule the way they want. If the population doesn't like those rules it's up to them to do the necessary.
Non intervention by the West would solve a lot of the world's problem.

Oops, impossible....CIA and the militaro industrial lobby would be out of job....

 

[Shadrach]

Well I guess the concept of a world without rules and regulations , just people caring for people and this planet we live on, is too broad of a concept for many people. It seems they love being controlled and told what to do. I remember the last US President liked the idea of closed borders, more rules, less for the poor, more for the rich, less international cooperation, He loved Putin, the president of North Korea, China. He said he could shoot someone on 5th. Ave. And not be in trouble and that he could grab women by their pussy and they like it. And to think there are people that love this man and want him to be President again.
I guess I am just Ass-I-Nine and have my head in the clouds.
Achtung! Baby! Vhere are your Papers! Schnell, Schnell!

 

[fastpitch17]

Well I guess the concept of a world without rules and regulations , just people caring for people and this planet we live on, is too broad of a concept for many people. It seems they love being controlled and told what to do. I remember the last US President liked the idea of closed borders, more rules, less for the poor, more for the rich, less international cooperation, He loved Putin, the president of North Korea, China. He said he could shoot someone on 5th. Ave. And not be in trouble and that he could grab women by their pussy and they like it. And to think there are people that love this man and want him to be President again.
I guess I am just Ass-I-Nine and have my head in the clouds.
Achtung! Baby! Vhere are your Papers! Schnell, Schnell!

You basically just made a great argument for why rules and laws work. Without them, the US would still have the little dictator in power. The reason he couldn't get what he wanted is because rules and laws got in his way. I guess you are like him, no rules or laws if they apply to you.

If you really think the entire world population could actually all act the same? Caring for each other and the planet and actually having everyone agree to the best path for this? Who decides that path? A rule. What happens if one person just gets lazy and doesn't want to follow the care path. No rules so not conforming would be OK.

Let's face it. It is hard enough to get everyone in a household to agree but thinking it can be done with over 8 billion people, that's fantasy at a high level. Or, you are high in a different manor. If you want the world to get on the same page I suggest you start with eradicating religion since it drives so many down different paths and is probably the leading cause for differences. Then, just like the guy you referred to in your post, you could become the world savior and lead all the people.

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[pantaiema]

Welcome to the forum John Lennon.
Imagine no possessions ...

John Lennon had been imagining this to happen since the release of his song 'Imagine' on October 11, 1971
"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one"

These Russian kids (Veniamin, Anastasia, Vsevolod) were singing this song on 'The Voice Kids Russia' in 2016, showcasing peaceful and commendable English diction while never having lived or studied in English speaking countries. They were children back then and remain so to this day. They might have witnessed a different reality than what they had imagined after the conflict between Russia and Ukraine erupted and escalated.


One could argue that Russian and Ukrainian citizens in Bali, who are fleeing their homelands to escape war they do not want to support and the possibility of frontline duty, may have a stronger justification for seeking refuge compared to some of those (not all) who abuse the system, like described in here.

How Indonesian resort island Bali became a refuge for Ukrainians and Russians

You said you prefer a merit system, but I’m sorry to say that I don’t believe you, at least I don’t believe you understand what a merit system in immigration means. A true merit system means each immigrant is admitted based on what he/she does or has. Conservatives dislike birthright...

www.expatindo.org

They do not cost the Indonesian taxpayers a single penny, instead they contribute to the local economy. I empathize with their situation.
This is just a personal opinion and an opinion from a taxpayer who contribute to funding the system. Other people might have had a different opinion.

 

[Shadrach]

Yes, but remember the language on the front cover of your British passport....

And no, don't blame it on Brexit.....

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Has anyone taken a good look at this image on the passport. A Lion with a crown stroking a symbol, and a Unicorn with a chain around it's neck doing the same! And the biggest joke is having the Irish harp on the symbol! I'm sure the southern Irish would like to give you a word or two about that! And those crosses at the top sure remind me of ones I've seen the Nazi's use also. Now being an American, I admit I have no knowledge of the meaning of any of this, but just giving my observation of what I see. Also what do the Latin words mean and all the lions in a row and standing on the symbol? So I'm not trying offend anyone English or is it British, I get confused! I don't know what is the difference. Please enlighten me!
Another note, I've heard all the jewels on this crown were procured from India and they would like them back, is this true?

 

[snpark]

Now being an American, I admit I have no knowledge

You said it bro

 

[snpark]

Another note, I've heard all the jewels on this crown were procured from India and they would like them back, is this true?

Asks the man who's race stole a whole country and land from its natives

 

[Shadrach]

You said it bro

Yes I admitted I have no understanding of this symbol, but that doesn't make me ignorant! If you could please be so kind, explain all the details on this symbol on the passport?

 

[Shadrach]

Asks the man who's race stole a whole country and land from its natives

Sorry but I'm confused, which man or colonizing country should I ask. American,British,French, Portuguese, Spanish, Japanese,Etc. As for America, the people that stole the land from the Native Americans came from Europe and conquered that land, and it's been screwed up since. Then they went on and screwed up more places ever since, and will probably continue to screw up more!

 

[snpark]

It's called a coat of arms

 

[Shadrach]

OK so what does that mean? Can you give a description of what all the images represent? What arms? I don't see any weapons! What's with the unicorn having a chain around it's neck? And the Irish harp? And the Iron Cross?