DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

[Bad_azz]

Well England has certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons by dropping all restrictions on public movement while asking people to make sensible decisions. This at a time when Covid cases are on the increase and a warning that this would create "factories for mutations". A decision weighing economic impact of restrictions against a relatively "low" Covid fatality rate. I can't imagine that this policy has been adopted without regard to medical advice and further indicates how we are all floundering. I suspect more and more countries will drift to this approach unless the English outcomes are absolutely catastrophic.

It doesn't surprise me in the least.
I could go off on a very long rant about how useless the govt is over there but the people voted them in, so they get the govt they deserve. It truly is made up of a set of arrogant bumbling a/holes.
they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Glad I am a UK peep no longer.

The hashtag "ItsOver" has been trending- there really is no cure for stupid at all.

 

[harryopal1]

o all :
BTW, did in ANY of my post I targeted somebody specific, a B.M., a personality ? Did I say to somebody personally he was silly to wear a mask or to take the vaccine ?
Nope !
But the replies are nearly all directly and personaly adressed to me.

Not that I care, but it reflect a certain state of mind, and sure not a healthy one.
Attack the topic, the subject, not the messenger / poster

Basic ethics on any forum.

Allez, C u all later !

Earlier there was made a response to Centurion saying, "That's a stupid answer, go back to your seat, think hard and come back with something better....." That negates the assertion of not targeting "somebody specific."

At best that response was patronizing and contemptuous and at worst unnecessarily insulting. During these difficult and potentially volatile times we might at least for strive for a degree of courtesy.

 

[Balifrog]

Earlier there was made a response to Centurion saying, "That's a stupid answer, go back to your seat, think hard and come back with something better....." That negates the assertion of not targeting "somebody specific."

At best that response was patronizing and contemptuous and at worst unnecessarily insulting. During these difficult and potentially volatile times we might at least for strive for a degree of courtesy.

The post WAS silly or nonsense honestly, so I answered tongue in cheek like a teacher would do. With a zest of humour, nothing more.

 

[harryopal1]

I take your point about humour but I found many years ago that things I thought funny writing business memos many years ago were often not seen as funny by the recipients. When posts are written the readers don't see the tongue in cheek or the naughty smile as we type.

 

[Balifrog]

I have many unpopular opinions. When I don’t feel like explaining them to people, I keep them to myself.

I know, this is the way thing are in our days. Don't say anything that the majority won't like.
This is again the end of freedom of expression IMO.

But let's stop it here.
I'll be sweet from now on .....

 

[Bad_azz]

This variant doesn't look good:

The Lambda coronavirus variant has arrived in Australia. Here's what we know so far

Some reports suggest the new Lambda variant could be fast spreading and difficult to tackle with vaccines. What is this strain and should we be worried?

www.abc.net.au

 

[Balifrog]

I take your point about humour but I found many years ago that things I thought funny writing business memos many years ago were often not seen as funny by the recipients. When posts are written the readers don't see the tongue in cheek or the naughty smile as we type.

A forum is not the same as a business memo I think.
But ok, as part of my sweetness campaign, I'll add a smiley next time !

 

[dafluff]

The three main hospitals in Denpasar, Bali, report that their ICU units are full. RSUP Sanglah, RSUD Wangaya and RS Bali Mandara are at over 100% occupancy. The general bed occupancy rate in the capital of Bali is in the 70-80% range.

The head of Denpasar's health department is also concerned about oxygen stocks.

ICU RS Rujukan Covid-19 di Denpasar Penuh, Dinkes: Kami Berharap Warga Tetap Taat Prokes...

“Ruang ICU di tiga rumah sakit rujukan di Denpasar sudah penuh. Bahkan tingkat keterisiannya 100 persen lebih,” kata Ni Luh Putu Sri Armini.

regional.kompas.com

 

[El_Goretto]

But the real question is, are you upset about France in Euro 2021 and will you be upset with the rugby test matches against the Wallabies?

Oh boy. As a Frenchman, I can't decide between laughing and crying!

 

[ChrisTex]

Oh boy. As a Frenchman, I can't decide between laughing and crying!

I just want a cracking game with the rugby. I want to try and go to France 2023, but that is dependent on work and where I am in the world at the time.

 

[ChrisTex]

This variant doesn't look good:

The Lambda coronavirus variant has arrived in Australia. Here's what we know so far

Some reports suggest the new Lambda variant could be fast spreading and difficult to tackle with vaccines. What is this strain and should we be worried?

www.abc.net.au

This is what stood out to me from that article: 'There are now 11 official SARS-CoV-2 variants listed by the WHO.' This makes me think back to my rambling post and openly ask, at what point do try to get on with life if all these variants continue to pop up or do we stay in lockdown where eventually people get fed up and take to the streets?



For those wants to keep track on different variants
Four variants of concern:

• Alpha
• Beta
• Gamma
• Delta

Seven variants of interest (most of which you've probably never heard of):

• Epsilon
• Zeta
• Eta
• Theta
• Iota
• Kappa
• Lambd

 

[nd_eric_77]

But the real question is, are you upset about France in Euro 2021 and will you be upset with the rugby test matches against the Wallabies?

France vs. Switzerland was an amazing game. My father and I thoroughly enjoyed watching it on tv

 

[Vulphere]

Just received my first dose of Covid-19 vaccination (with Sinovac) yesterday.

Even when it is not as strong as AstraZeneca, Moderna, or Pfizer, I still think that being vaccinated is better than never.

Obviously, we need to follow health protocol until we reach herd immunity target.

 

[centurion]

That's a stupid answer, go back to your seat, think hard and come back with something better.....

You should not take yourself or others, including me, so seriously in these hard times.

But yes, the governments around the world are trying to show and exercising policies, right and wrong, showing that they have the situation under control (controlling the narrative, masks outdoor, indoor, masks when you sleep and eat, lockdowns). This includes suppressing dissent voices or alternative views (both right or wrong).

Also, agree about the vaccine debate, informed consent, are some vaccines dangerous or less dangerous, but at this moment in Indonesia, that kind of debate is utter BS. People should get vaccinated as soon as possible because they don't have any other options. Some people can die during this process but what to do.

In Bali situation is still ok, but could deteriorate. Java is in a panic already. Personally we are still good (in Bali) and hope that there will be no lockdown as in Europe, the US or Canada. I can survive with a closed beach, as streets are still free for walking around. But as a test, I tried to check some oxygen bottles for purchase in Bali, and none anywhere. BTW the medicine prices are almost doubled, i.e. Azytromicin 10 tablets in a strip are 150k, against 65k years ago; some blood thinners are hard to get, despite being produced in Indonesia. The stage for the show is set.

Indonesia could replicate the Indian scenario, but be aware that Indian states had a mass deployment of ivermectin besides vaccination. If you are of one thinking ivermectin could be useful, you know that in Indonesia there is almost none, so you would know where we are heading to.

 

[Nimbus]

Indonesia is not like USA that can simply print dollars and pay people to stay home. Every lockdown decision has to be balanced against economic interests, which is very difficult. If the gov’t is too lenient, then the virus spreads too much and kill too many people. If it’s too strict, then the economy suffers too much and people get angry. I’m just happy that I’m not the one calling the shots.

 

[Nimbus]

You should not take yourself or others, including me, so seriously in these hard times.

But yes, the governments around the world are trying to show and exercising policies, right and wrong, showing that they have the situation under control (controlling the narrative, masks outdoor, indoor, masks when you sleep and eat, lockdowns). This includes suppressing dissent voices or alternative views (both right or wrong).

Also, agree about the vaccine debate, informed consent, are some vaccines dangerous or less dangerous, but at this moment in Indonesia, that kind of debate is utter BS. People should get vaccinated as soon as possible because they don't have any other options. Some people can die during this process but what to do.

In Bali situation is still ok, but could deteriorate. Java is in a panic already. Personally we are still good (in Bali) and hope that there will be no lockdown as in Europe, the US or Canada. I can survive with a closed beach, as streets are still free for walking around. But as a test, I tried to check some oxygen bottles for purchase in Bali, and none anywhere. BTW the medicine prices are almost doubled, i.e. Azytromicin 10 tablets in a strip are 150k, against 65k years ago; some blood thinners are hard to get, despite being produced in Indonesia. The stage for the show is set.

Indonesia could replicate the Indian scenario, but be aware that Indian states had a mass deployment of ivermectin besides vaccination. If you are of one thinking ivermectin could be useful, you know that in Indonesia there is almost none, so you would know where we are heading to.

I wish people stop pushing ivermectin. It is yet another ‘alternative’ that can be worse than the virus. The drug is available in Indonesia as worm medication, and it’s safe if used once a year. A pharmacy professor in Indonesia explained in a video that the drug has considerable side effects, and the dosage required to make a dent on Covid can be dangerous. This is Hydroxychloroquine all over again.

 

[dafluff]

I wish people stop pushing ivermectin. It is yet another ‘alternative’ that can be worse than the virus. The drug is available in Indonesia as worm medication, and it’s safe if used once a year. A pharmacy professor in Indonesia explained in a video that the drug has considerable side effects, and the dosage required to make a dent on Covid can be dangerous. This is Hydroxychloroquine all over again.

If Ivermectin was effective, we would have heard about it long before now. At the beginning of the pandemic, every researcher threw every possible combo of medication to see what works, and ivermectin's efficacy would have been discovered then. Instead, people were pushing HCQ, which ultimately proved to be ineffective, and no one is pushing it anymore.

FWIW, India itself has dropped Ivermectin from the list of drugs it approves for Covid-19:

Government's new Covid prescription drops many ‘common’ drugs | India News - Times of India

India News: The central health ministry has issued an evidence-based treatment plan for Covid patients, dropping many medicines that had become household names du

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[centurion]

If Ivermectin was effective, we would have heard about it long before now. At the beginning of the pandemic, every researcher threw every possible combo of medication to see what works, and ivermectin's efficacy would have been discovered then. Instead, people were pushing HCQ, which ultimately proved to be ineffective, and no one is pushing it anymore.

FWIW, India itself has dropped Ivermectin from the list of drugs it approves for Covid-19:

Government's new Covid prescription drops many ‘common’ drugs | India News - Times of India

India News: The central health ministry has issued an evidence-based treatment plan for Covid patients, dropping many medicines that had become household names du

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Oxford's ongoing trial on ivermectin will give hopefully a definitive answer, to not debate the subject much now. It will be good if have an effect, as mutations are coming out every little, and some vaccine types become less effective according to the news. I see Indonesia wants to distribute ivermectin, but it would be a pity if they do, but do not do at least some kind of trial (i.e. the one who take it vs one who did not take it)-I correct myself here, there are designated hospitals for a clinical trial. Ivermectin in Indonesia is distributed in human form, produced locally.

Sick people in Indonesia are quite desperate and do not have other choices other than self-medication based on the internet or WA groups. The advice "if you have symptoms, go to the hospital and seek a doctor", simply does not work, as hospitals are full and doctors simply do not have time to advise on your specific case (know this firsthand, no matter of class or status).

I see that the Government is addressing this issue, which is good, and will provide medical advice through medical online applications (halodoc etc.).

 

[Will_M]

As a farmer, I have been using Ivermectin for 15 years or so for treatment of Lungworm and Roundworm on young dairy cattle. The thought it being used for COVID-19 is really quite odd.

 

[dafluff]

Oxford's ongoing trial on ivermectin will give hopefully a definitive answer, to not debate the subject much now. It will be good if have an effect, as mutations are coming out every little, and some vaccine types become less effective according to the news. I see Indonesia wants to distribute ivermectin, but it would be a pity if they do, but do not do at least some kind of trial (i.e. the one who take it vs one who did not take it)-I correct myself here, there are designated hospitals for a clinical trial. Ivermectin in Indonesia is distributed in human form, produced locally.

Sick people in Indonesia are quite desperate and do not have other choices other than self-medication based on the internet or WA groups. The advice "if you have symptoms, go to the hospital and seek a doctor", simply does not work, as hospitals are full and doctors simply do not have time to advise on your specific case (know this firsthand, no matter of class or status).

I see that the Government is addressing this issue, which is good, and will provide medical advice through medical online applications (halodoc etc.).

If people take Ivermectin in desperation, I can hardly blame them. At least it has mild side effects, and a good safety profile (if used in correct dosage).

However, the people pushing Ivermectin are also generally overlapping with anti-vaxers and anti-maskers, and their message to ignore vaccinations and public health measures because "Ivermectin is a miracle cure", is deadly, and I have a big problem with.