Quarantine back to 7 days starting December

[R Cameron]

That's only for entry to Bali
And it's not 23 Nationalities
It's countries. Departure.
It's the countries that have a black list not the passport holder. Otherwise someone from south Korea could fly in directly from France according to you?

Yes, currently VOA is only available in Bali.
And the 23 countries is based on citizenship (passport), not departure. That is how I understood it from the Surat Edaran, and Imigrasi's social media accounts confirm that's how they interpret it (2nd photo):

 

[snpark]

yes it is confusing as some dont determine between citizens and travellers and visitors from those countries
eg a Brazilian coming from NZ would be denied but a Kiwi coming from Brazil would be allowed in?

 

[snpark]

Floodgates opened
7 int'l on Monday
Yesterday a whopping 31 int'l tourists arrived

 

[Pak Asam Manis]

There are definitely major holes in this quarantine bubble. But, I'm sure they're going to scrap all of it soon, as situation allows.

For those of us who are not in Indonesia and not "in the loop" (or should I say, in the bubble), would you mind extrapolating from this thought? Why do you think they will scrap it, if the rates keep going down? Politics?

 

[snpark]

That's only for entry to Bali
And it's not 23 Nationalities
It's countries. Departure.
It's the countries that have a black list not the passport holder. Otherwise someone from south Korea could fly in directly from France according to you?

Not sure why you disagree? Pak Manis?

 

[Pak Asam Manis]

That's only for entry to Bali
And it's not 23 Nationalities
It's countries. Departure.
It's the countries that have a black list not the passport holder. Otherwise someone from south Korea could fly in directly from France according to you?

"The 23 countries whose citizens can enter Bali using a visit visa upon arrival are as follows:"

I must be missing something in the fine print. It seems pretty clear that the VOA applies to CITIZENS / Passport Holders of those 23 countries (let's leave the Jim Carrey movie out of this please) flying in to Bali.

Like R. Cameron, I don't see any mention there of transits, number of stops, or direct flights. The IAH > Singapore > Denpasar itinerary mentioned by another member is probably the closest thing to a "direct" flight from the US, and even that one involves one international transit point.|

If there are additional qualifications or requirements (other than the ones listed: citizenship, passport, covid documents, return or onwards ticket), surely someone can find them and post them here.

 

[Pak Asam Manis]

Not sure why you disagree? Pak Manis?

Because the post in Indonesia Expat says it is Nationalities (not countries).

 

[snpark]

Ah the indonesian expat. Lol
Well even 2 different OFFICIAL govt releases have been confusing and don't distinguish between a citizen or a visitor

As I said, to make it a citizen doesn't make any sense at all
It is the departing country that "should" count.
Why should a Malaysian flying from hotspot Brazil be allowed to walk in but a Brazilian who has been in New Zealand for 20 years be rejected

Pretty sure corona is not that race specific yet.
How come then only Emirati can come in from Dubai?
But not Italians or Swedish or Danish?

 

[Wisnu]

"The 23 countries whose citizens can enter Bali using a visit visa upon arrival are as follows:"

I must be missing something in the fine print. It seems pretty clear that the VOA applies to CITIZENS / Passport Holders of those 23 countries (let's leave the Jim Carrey movie out of this please) flying in to Bali.

Like R. Cameron, I don't see any mention there of transits, number of stops, or direct flights. The IAH > Singapore > Denpasar itinerary mentioned by another member is probably the closest thing to a "direct" flight from the US, and even that one involves one international transit point.|

If there are additional qualifications or requirements (other than the ones listed: citizenship, passport, covid documents, return or onwards ticket), surely someone can find them and post them here.

Affirmative, the VOA apply for the citizens/passport holder from 23 countries, regardless of the departure airport.
Might not make sense for some people, but that's what the regulation say.
In fact, from the legal/law perspective does make sense.

 

[snpark]

Some of the official releases only mention visitor passenger etc etc not "citizen"

 

[Wisnu]

Very clear. As per Undang-undang no. 11 tahun 2011 :
(2) Orang Asing yang dapat diberikan Visa kunjungan saat kedatangan adalah warga negara dari negara tertentu yang ditetapkan berdasarkan Peraturan Menteri.

Warga negara = citizen

 

[Pak Asam Manis]

Ah the indonesian expat. Lol

Care to elaborate what you are so amused about (not that I'm not, like, happy that you're getting your jollies on)?

By the way if you were referring to me: I am neither Indonesian, nor (currently) an expat. I do however, have an enormous Life Experience.

Have you considered simply dropping the [p] from your handle. Then you could just be "snark". I think it would really suit you

 

[Pak Asam Manis]

As I said, to make it a citizen doesn't make any sense at all
It is the departing country that "should" count.
Why should a Malaysian flying from hotspot Brazil be allowed to walk in but a Brazilian who has been in New Zealand for 20 years be rejected

Pretty sure corona is not that race specific yet.
How come then only Emirati can come in from Dubai?
But not Italians or Swedish or Danish?

So ... you're expecting the Indonesian regulations to "make sense" to foreign brains? Um ... how long have you been LiI?

Whether it makes sense to you (or me) is not the point. Some people are here to discuss the topic sincerely and / or seek actual information, not to absorb the opinions of someone who apparently just wants to poke holes or shoot the whole balloon down, for whatever reason(s).

And what does race have to do with this?

 

[snpark]

Because the post in Indonesia Expat says it is Nationalities (not countries).

look who said "Indonesia Expat" first
Yes your source is a gossip website

 

[snpark]

So ... you're expecting the Indonesian regulations to "make sense" to foreign brains? Um ... how long have you been LiI?

Whether it makes sense to you (or me) is not the point. Some people are here to discuss the topic sincerely and / or seek actual information, not to absorb the opinions of someone who apparently just wants to poke holes or shoot the whole balloon down, for whatever reason(s).

And what does race have to do with this?

Who mentioned race? Pretty sure not me?
Why are you attacking me?

 

[snpark]

"Traveler" "Tourist" "Visitor"


For the first time since the pandemic started two years ago, Indonesia has reactivated its visa on arrival (VOA) program specifically for foreigners visiting Bali – albeit only applicable to travelers from 23 countries to begin with.

These countries are Australia, the US, Netherlands, Brunei, Philippines, the UK, Italy, Japan, Germany, Cambodia, Canada, South Korea, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, France, Qatar, New Zealand, Singapore, Thailand, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, and Vietnam.

“The new rule is effective Monday (March 7) and only applies for foreign tourists who want to visit Bali,” said Achmad Nur Saleh, the spokesperson for immigration affairs from the Ministry of Law and Human Rights.

Visitors from those countries who are fully vaccinated and have received booster shots can skip quarantine as long as they provide confirmation that they have booked a three-night stay at a local hotel.

 

[R Cameron]

Let's be realistic, it's based on passport country because that is what is easily checked upon entry. It would be a nightmare to check the departure country (and previous 14 days of travel?) for every person entering. So why those 23 and not the other ~180 countries of the world? I don't know, but I suspect it has more to do with historical tourist numbers than it does current Covid cases.

 

[nd_eric_77]

Let's be realistic, it's based on passport country because that is what is easily checked upon entry. It would be a nightmare to check the departure country (and previous 14 days of travel?) for every person entering. So why those 23 and not the other ~180 countries of the world? I don't know, but I suspect it has more to do with historical tourist numbers than it does current Covid cases.

Agree here. If you were to make a Venn Diagram of the countries with the highest tourist spending in Indonesia vs. countries on the list, I imagine there would be a pretty large overlap.

 

[Pak Asam Manis]

look who said "Indonesia Expat" first
Yes your source is a gossip website

(shrug) It's the source posted here by someone else, and others are also referring to it. Whatever it may be otherwise, that doesn't make this particular item "gossip".

As I said, you seem intent on just shooting down this balloon by whatever means you can. To follow the metaphor, I would suggest that the most effective "weapons" for that would be arrows, darts or bullets - that kinda thing - which in this actual case would be facts. You still have not used any. It surprises me. Maybe it shouldn't?

Should I not believe this post from a "gossip website" - when other outlets are apparently reporting the same thing? Should I instead believe the opinion of one poster on this site - apparently backed by zero facts - based on his opinion that "the interpretation / statement does not make sense"?

 

[Pak Asam Manis]

Who mentioned race? Pretty sure not me?
Why are you attacking me?

Ummm ... (rolls eyes)

Pretty sure corona is not that race specific yet.
How come then only Emirati can come in from Dubai?
But not Italians or Swedish or Danish? [/unquote]

PS: I am not attacking "you". I do not know "you". You are an icon of an Emirates (football jersey?) and a bunch of posted words to me. A lot of those words in this particular thread, um, don't "make sense" to me. Why does it matter? This is an informational thread for users of the forums. I'm (relatively) sure that opinions are allowed here, but in mine, one should not use them to argue against what seems to be a fact.

How about this: I'll stop replying to whatever you say. You're cordially invited to do likewise. I don't think "you" and "me" are going to have a meeting of the minds here.