DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

The Bali Agricultural and Food Security Office released data showing that there are ample food staples in Bali, through December 2020. Surpluses in rice, beef, chicken, eggs, chilies and corn are listed. Meanwhile garlic is the largest deficit.
https://twitter.com/Expat_Indo/status/1252181406135930881/photo/1
Hopefully their numbers are more accurate than the MoH's Covid-19 numbers tho...

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Doubtless our present hygiene focus using anti bacterials for frequent hand washing, spraying and wiping down of surfaces will stay for some while into the future while the Covid 19 lurks in the background. At the same time it is interesting to note that before the turn of the century the Japanese had become increasingly fastidious when it came to hygiene but with a downside.

In 2013 Tokyo Medical and Dental University professor emeritus Koichiro Fujita warned that Japanese were undermining the development of their natural immune systems with keppeki-sho," translated variously as fastidiousness, fussiness over cleanliness or phobia of dirt. Over several decades Fujita had made many study visits to rural Indonesia, where public sanitation practices were close to nonexistent. Yet, he says, children in Kalimantan grow up free from such common maladies in Japan as atopic dermatitis, asthma and pollen allergies.

Fujita observed that an obsession with killing germs had led to the loss of natural, good bacteria essential for good health. He noted that two Japanese obstetric hospitals suspect 50 to 60% of premature births or miscarriages may have been due to infections brought on by overwashing and with the loss of protective bacteria.

Fujita said it is important that people be in contact with nature of the greatest extent possible. ""A society where germs are all around us is not a dangerous one. Most of the germs around us have not changed for 10,000 years or more, and there's no need for us to overreact, letting themselves be made to dance to the tunes of the marketers of 'hygienic' and 'fastidiousness."

Until we have some means of control in relation to Covid 19 it makes sense to make an issue of safe hygiene practices. But from all the advertising across a huge swathe of products, hammering the notion of protection and cleanliness it seems probable that profit and sales increases will be misused to the point of overkill.
George Carlin had a great routine about this 15-20 years ago.

It’s why city kids are much more likely to be allergic to peanuts, animal dander, than farm kids.

 
Apparently Siloam Hospital in Bali is offering Covid-19 rapid test and swab test combo for under Rp 500k. However someone who called to verify found out that they're actually not doing swab test.

Anyway, not stepping foot in a hospital for anything other than life threatening emergencies right now....


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From the reports I have read ,the covid 19 test and antibody test are still unreliable , I would not waste 1 rup until the tests are proven to be accurate .
 
From the reports I have read ,the covid 19 test and antibody test are still unreliable , I would not waste 1 rup until the tests are proven to be accurate .
There are no antibody test approved yet for covid-19. They are expecting something possibly this week. It will show if you never had it, have it, or have had it in the past. None tell you if you have any immunity to it.
 
A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported.

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died too, but the difference between that group and usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.

One possible criticism I have for this study, is that it's also not a randomized, double blind study. It simply looks back at data from US veteran hospitals. The higher death rate among those with HCQ treatment could be indicative of doctors only comfortable using an off-label treatment of unproven efficacy on those with more severe cases.

 
This thing just doesn't seem to be taking off in Indonesia. Under normal circumstances the country has 4600 deaths per day, and corona seems to be trundling along at about 20 deaths per day. Less than 0.5%. Even if actual deaths are 5 times higher it is still nothing compared to what other countries are going through (Spain: 400 deaths per million, Indonesia..... 2). Anyway looking forward to a relaxing 5 weeks of no flights and no traffic.
 
Jakarta suspends passenger flights, rail service
The transportation ministry’s director general of aviation, Novie Riyanto, said late Thursday the flight ban applies to both domestic and international flights. He said there would be some exceptions, including for leaders of state institutions, representatives of international organizations and the epatriation of Indonesian citizens.

 
Does anyone entertain or have more information on the possibility of that c19 leaked from the laboratory?
 
Does anyone entertain or have more information on the possibility of that c19 leaked from the laboratory?
I dont entertain this conspiracy theory at all. Neither do any of the scientists studying the virus. I have a biology degree (so can read and understand most of the scientific literature on this) and have read absolutely nothing that would make me believe otherwise.
 
This thing just doesn't seem to be taking off in Indonesia. Under normal circumstances the country has 4600 deaths per day, and corona seems to be trundling along at about 20 deaths per day. Less than 0.5%. Even if actual deaths are 5 times higher it is still nothing compared to what other countries are going through (Spain: 400 deaths per million, Indonesia..... 2). Anyway looking forward to a relaxing 5 weeks of no flights and no traffic.
So, you trust their numbers? You trust the numbers from each community that do not have test nor the medical expertise. You can not just look at the numbers of positives and deaths. You need to look at the suspected numbers or under supervision numbers.

You need to take into consideration cultural practices and the fears people have of anyone finding out a suspected case lives anywhere in their community. The fear the family member will be refused burial in their selected cemetary comes into play. The practice of same day burial with no autopsies comes into play. You need to look closely at burial numbers compared to past averages. They are up substantially everywhere.

The suspected or under supervision numbers are 10 or more times the number of positives reported. Add the number that no one knows and you may be multiplying it by 20 or more times. Jakarta seems to be getting the most attention and is trying to report correctly. Trying. Pretty much the rest if the nation is really unknown except they name red zones if they think numbers are going up.

If they were testing I think you would find this virus is lot more widespread with much bigger numbers than the government knows or is unwilling to report. This is a nation of mobile individuals and visit others or congregate all the time. Take into account all the areas where the population is massed together and it feeds the pandemic.
 
Does anyone entertain or have more information on the possibility of that c19 leaked from the laboratory?
Well respected virologist in the US that have looked at the virus have claimed there are no markers showing this virus was lab created and does show it is naturally formed.

Your conspiracy theory is a trump administration and Fox news created theory so to again deny any responsibility of so many US deaths. Please do not try to spread the stupidity here.
 
Does anyone entertain or have more information on the possibility of that c19 leaked from the laboratory?
I've seen 2 basic versions of this theory.

The first is that the virus was created in the Wuhan lab as a bioweapon (and they also created a vaccine which they will use for profit or power). Scientists who have analyzed the form of the virus strongly disagree with the possibility of this virus being man made. This is a Flat Earth level conspiracy.

The second is that the virus is naturally occurring in bats and was being studied in the Wuhan lab, where they lost containment and unintentionally started the community spread. There is no notable evidence for or against this theory, it's possible but purely speculative.
 
So, you trust their numbers? You trust the numbers from each community that do not have test nor the medical expertise. You can not just look at the numbers of positives and deaths. You need to look at the suspected numbers or under supervision numbers.

No I don't trust the infection numbers. The important number is the death number which is currently 2 per million. I also don't trust this number, burial data implies that it is probably 2-3 times higher, but even if it was 5 times higher (i.e. 10) it is nothing compared to the 200-400 in some countries like Spain, US etc.

So the transmission number is being reduced by a) heat and humidity making transmission more difficult (not impossible but more difficult), and b) high smoking rates in men seeming to offer protection (a statistical phenomenon that has already been reported on in China and France), and let's not forget c) praying, at which Indonesian undoubtedly leads the world /s
 
I've seen 2 basic versions of this theory.

The first is that the virus was created in the Wuhan lab as a bioweapon (and they also created a vaccine which they will use for profit or power). Scientists who have analyzed the form of the virus strongly disagree with the possibility of this virus being man made. This is a Flat Earth level conspiracy.

The second is that the virus is naturally occurring in bats and was being studied in the Wuhan lab, where they lost containment and unintentionally started the community spread. There is no notable evidence for or against this theory, it's possible but purely speculative.

I do NOT wish to post ANY theory that I am aware of, but since you mentioned 2 versions from ONE side (heard by most Americans), allow me to comment about ANOTHER version (heard by most Chinese) but backed with links from mainstream Western media news sources. On second thought, I’ll just re-post below from another thread on this forum (I love their logic! > #61).

I agree with you, NYT is not perfect (nobody is perfect). Most of the time, I trusted their reports… most of time, including their news on China, until recently. As Nathan Rich said, he used to think that NYT is “fact based, logical, and representing truth somehow”. Actually, I admired and respected NYT for being the only mainstream Western media who dared to report about the shutdown of the US Army Lab in Fort Detrick, Maryland due to safety concerns (link to article: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html). The biodefence center have had problems with decontamination of wastewater as well as leaks within the lab, and it was closed August 2019. The incident became the basis of suspicion from China, that it had infected army personnel who participated in the Wuhan World Military Games in October 2019 (which in turn infected locals in Wuhan, and the rest is history). Moreover, during September 2019, severe flu epidemic was sweeping across the US. Then last month, CDC Director Robert Redfield dropped a bomb admitting in Senate that some of the flu deaths may be coronavirus-related. The US restricting information on the coronavirus is not helping either https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ronavirus-deliberations-sources-idUSKBN20Y2LM

Additional Comment: If there are tissue samples kept from persons who died of flu during September 2019, then it can be analyzed if that persons had the novel coronavirus or not.
 
Can someone explain to me why the current PDP is not counted in the official tally of positive cases? In my limited understanding, the problem with that antigen rapid test system is that it can't detect early cases, hence a high change of false negative. But if it comes out positive in rapid test, what prevents them from being considered the same as any other PCR confirmed cases?
 

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