DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

[Helpful Herbert]

The walikota Bogor just got diagnosed. I'm guessing he might get access to the ventilator.

 

[jstar]

Does anybody know where Prabowo is?

 

[nosox]

round here folks are more worried about dengue as there have been several local cases. The foggers just were by.

 

[Bad_azz]

The situation is going to get pretty sticky for a while, but there are some heartening things...
Yesterday the streets of Bandung were almost empty.. Midday on a Thursday- I have never seen it like that in all my years here.
PVJ mall was a ghost town, the car park was pretty much empty, the employees were taking it all very seriously even when no customers in the shops they were standing quite a distance from each other chatting. One had to have temp. checked on entry to the mall & use hand sanitizer.
At each store hand sanitizer was provided, the employees in Carrefour at the checkout were all wearing gloves.
Personally, I carry Dettol wipes around with me so that I can wipe surfaces & my hands if no alternatives available. I guess any wetwipe will be more useful than none.
I don't think the social distancing is there to stop/erradicate the disease, but it can at the very least prove effective in drastically cutting the numbers.
So, well done Bandung citizens!
The one thing Indonesia is pretty good at is not touching people, unlike Italy perhaps?
Indonesia isn't big on PDAs or at least not in my area... anyway enough dawdling and procrastinating from me- working from home/online beckons.

Stay safe all.

 

[atlantis]

One had to have temp. checked on entry to the mall & use hand sanitizer.

I had my temperature checked too at the entrance of Lotte. My driver who was parking got it too a few minutes after me. I was 35,5 while he was 34. I couldn't retain a huge smile and the results apparently surprised or alerted none of the Lotte staff. I hope the ventilators work a bit better.

 

[Tupai Hitam]

I had my temperature checked too at the entrance of Lotte. My driver who was parking got it too a few minutes after me. I was 35,5 while he was 34. I couldn't retain a huge smile and the results apparently surprised or alerted none of the Lotte staff. I hope the ventilators work a bit better.

Prices for these thermometer guns (before mark-ups for panic-buying profiteering) range from Rp100,000 to Rp2 million. You get what you pay for, but most of the guns need to be calibrated. That is, you test the temperature of a couple of people with normal oral thermometers. Then test them with the thermometer gun. If there is any difference, you should press the settings/mode button to get into a calibration mode, then move the display reading up or down by 0.1 degrees at a time to make it accurate. Not difficult, but many of the people pointing and clicking them don't seem to know how to do the calibration. So these checks are essentially a waste of time.

 

[jstar]

Yep, and I encountered even many 'LOW', and after uncountable failed attempts always between 34 and 35°

the results apparently surprised or alerted none of the Lotte staff.

Their instructions are clear; only above 38° there is a problem.
Kalibrasi?? Apa?

 

[Bad_azz]

I had my temperature checked too at the entrance of Lotte. My driver who was parking got it too a few minutes after me. I was 35,5 while he was 34. I couldn't retain a huge smile and the results apparently surprised or alerted none of the Lotte staff. I hope the ventilators work a bit better.

hubby asked the guy what the parameters were... he said up to 38c
:'D
but ya know, they are trying.
I doubt there is one of them medically trained. Skin temp is naturally lower than inner ear temp.
One thing we can all do at home is check our temperature before going out. (properly )

Just to illustrate how diverse body parts are re temp- I have a minor ear infection in right ear... temp in left ear 36.5
temp in right (infect) ear is 37.6

 

[ChrisTex]

Door # 2 for me. Currently waiting for Air China to cancel my end-of-May & returning mid-June flights to the US. I figure it will be easier to get a refund after the airline cancels the flights.

Same here. Even though I am working from home (online teaching), we have been instructed not to leave Jakarta.

I will say this about the US Embassy, they have been active in trying to keep people updated.

Their latest email.

Health Alert – (COVID-19 Update #7) U.S. Embassy Jakarta, Indonesia, March 20, 2020



Event: The government of Indonesia confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Indonesia, including in Jakarta and Bali. Visitors can expect that local governments may begin to close public places and schools; cancel large gatherings; and limit mass transport. Visit the Indonesian government COVID-19 website for updated information.



We understand that Indonesia’s health system has limited capacity to test for COVID-19 and to manage treatment of persons with COVID-19. The Indonesian Ministry of Health has set up a COVID-19 information hotline at +62-21-5210411 or +62-82-1212119.



The government of Indonesia has implemented enhanced screening and quarantine measures to reduce the spread of COVID-19. Travelers should be prepared for travel restrictions to be put into effect with little or no advance notice. As of March 20, 2020, Indonesia has suspended entry for foreigners using visa exemption and visa on arrival. If you need to travel to Indonesia, you must apply for a visa at an Indonesian Embassy or Consulate and bring a health certificate verifying you have tested negative for COVID-19. The Ngurah Rai International Airport in Bali will be closed on March 25, 2020 due to the Nyepi holiday; this airport closure is an annual event and unrelated to the COVID-19 outbreak. Visit Indonesian Immigration’s websitefor additional information about current travel restrictions and quarantine measures.



The U.S. Mission in Indonesia has suspended routine consular services. For emergency American Citizens Services, including emergency passports, please visit our website for additional information.



The Department of State has issued a Global Level 3 Health Advisory for COVID-19. Please visit the Travel.State.Gov for more information.

 

[jstar]

but ya know, they are trying

Nope, they smile to hide their embarrassment and stay friendly, but they don't give a sh!t.

 

[jstar]

In France, the number of corona cases is doubling every four days, the Department of Public Health reported. A 10,995 cases have now been confirmed, 372 people have died.

Italy exceeded China's already heavy death toll yesterday. Italy is now hit the hardest with 3,405 deaths. (China 3,245 deaths) The comparison with China at the same point in the contamination track shows how bad the situation is: China 'only' had 1,369 deaths at this point (they look at the 20th death as starting point).

Spain is also struggling and is even heading for a higher death rate than Italy. On day 11 after the 20th death, Spain had 820 deaths, while Italy had 463 at that moment.

Germany is doing relatively well, they have the smallest amount of deaths, even less than the Netherlands -a much smaller country- in absolute numbers.

Belgium's measures exceed practically all others. There's a ban on gathering which means that not more than three people are allowed in public places, all vacation centers are closed, there is a maximum amount of people per m2 etc. etc.

But there's quite some positive news from China and South Korea on new cases, deaths etc.

 

[snpark]

Like the metal detector wands with flat batteries or the club re-entry UV ink stamps that dried out months ago

 

[Dave70]

Does anybody know where Prabowo is?

Rumor says he went to China and just now CNBC is reporting that he requested for military planes to pick up medical supplies in Shanghai.

Diorder Prabowo, Hercules TNI Jemput Tes Kit Corona China

TNI siap melakukan penjemputan alat kesehatan (alkes) termasuk tes kit untuk penanganan Virus Corona dari China.

www.cnbcindonesia.com

 

[Dave70]

A petition is going around asking for President Jokowi to do "more", you can sign it here https://www.change.org/p/presiden-r...alam-menangani-pandemik-global-covid19-jokowi

 

[Dave70]

The Times of Israel interviewed Isaiah (Shy) Arkin, a professor of Structural Biochemistry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and this is what he says; There is no vaccine against AIDS, Hepatitis C, and SARS. It is NOT impossible that there will never be a vaccine against COVID-19. Moreover, there is absolutely nothing to treat ANY coronavirus. I guess only our own body can fight it from inside us.

Israeli scientist: You’re not going to see millions of people die from COVID-19

The new coronavirus is '80 percent identical' to the 2002-3 SARS, says Prof. Shy Arkin. On the whole it causes a mild respiratory tract infection. But the elderly are the exception

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Dave70]

The walikota Bogor just got diagnosed. I'm guessing he might get access to the ventilator.

Ventilators are useless if the airways are blocked. The airways must be cleared first, but he didn't say how.

 

[dafluff]

Ugh, now the president is spreading false information....

The medicine for Covid-19 exists, we are ordering 2 million:

Jokowi: Obat untuk Covid-19 Sudah Ada, Kita Pesan 2 Juta!

Presiden Joko Widodo (Jokowi) mengungkapkan sudah ada resep obat hasil riset dan pengalaman negara.

www.cnbcindonesia.com

 

[Dave70]

Saudi Arabia suspends domestic flights https://www.arabnews.com/node/1644101/saudi-arabia

What if Indonesia suspends domestic flights too? Who knows? How can people from Jakarta go to Kalimantan or Sulawesi? By boat? Maybe you can drive from Jakarta and take a RO-RO ship to another island?

 

[jstar]

Ugh, now the president is spreading false information....

The medicine for Covid-19 exists, we are ordering 2 million....

I guess he doesn't want to lose from Trump spouting BS about medication. They're talking about Avigan or Chloroquine?

Remdesivir and Avigan
.........
The latter is Japanese, originally developed to fight influenza. Seems to be more suited for the not so advanced 'lighter' cases.

 

[dafluff]

Saudi Arabia suspends domestic flights https://www.arabnews.com/node/1644101/saudi-arabia

What if Indonesia suspends domestic flights too? Who knows? How can people from Jakarta go to Kalimantan or Sulawesi? By boat? Maybe you can drive from Jakarta and take a RO-RO ship to another island?

Ferries and also Pelni are widely available to go just about anywhere. Flying to remote towns is really a new phenomenon (last 20 years, I would say).