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[Balifrog]

I think Kanaks are already a minority in NK.

No

But all Kanaks are not independentist.

 

[centurion]

No

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But all Kanaks are not independentist.

41% is below 50%.

 

[Balifrog]

Rolleyes.....
41% makes them the biggest ethnic group....

 

[centurion]

Rolleyes.....
41% makes them the biggest ethnic group....

biggest, but minority of population.

 

[snpark]

41% is below 50%.

Sounds like the US election
Where the winner has less than the popular vote but still wins

 

[Balifrog]

biggest, but minority of population.

I abandon....

 

[Hawk256]

41% is below 50%.

What does 50% have to do with a majority or minority in the context it was used?

 

[jstar]

The International Visitor Leadership Program (IVLP) is the U.S. Department of State’s premier professional exchange program, offering firsthand knowledge about U.S. society, culture, and politics while cultivating professional relationships over three weeks in the United States. Each year, nearly 5,000 international visitors from around the world visit the United States on the IVLP program. To date, there are more than 2,900 IVLP alumni from Indonesia.

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“The professional exchange program on U.S. Indo-Pacific Policy is part of our ongoing efforts to further strengthen diplomatic ties between the U.S. and Indonesia and deepen our cooperation on shared regional priorities,” said U.S. Embassy Spokesperson Michael D. Quinlan. “This initiative aligns with the spirit of this year’s 75th anniversary of bilateral relations, reaffirming our commitment to cultivating enduring partnerships and building a more resilient Indo-Pacific community.”

With Indonesia playing an increasingly pivotal role in regional and global affairs, a clear understanding of U.S. policy helps foster collaboration and combat misinformation. The United States pursues a free and open Indo-Pacific that is connected, prosperous, secure, and resilient, in which governments can make their own choices and shared domains are governed lawfully.

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[centurion]

The International Visitor Leadership Program (IVLP) is the U.S. Department of State’s premier professional exchange program, offering firsthand knowledge about U.S. society, culture, and politics while cultivating professional relationships over three weeks in the United States. Each year, nearly 5,000 international visitors from around the world visit the United States on the IVLP program. To date, there are more than 2,900 IVLP alumni from Indonesia.

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“The professional exchange program on U.S. Indo-Pacific Policy is part of our ongoing efforts to further strengthen diplomatic ties between the U.S. and Indonesia and deepen our cooperation on shared regional priorities,” said U.S. Embassy Spokesperson Michael D. Quinlan. “This initiative aligns with the spirit of this year’s 75th anniversary of bilateral relations, reaffirming our commitment to cultivating enduring partnerships and building a more resilient Indo-Pacific community.”

With Indonesia playing an increasingly pivotal role in regional and global affairs, a clear understanding of U.S. policy helps foster collaboration and combat misinformation. The United States pursues a free and open Indo-Pacific that is connected, prosperous, secure, and resilient, in which governments can make their own choices and shared domains are governed lawfully.

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How is this connected to the subject?

 

[centurion]

What does 50% have to do with a majority or minority in the context it was used?

It means that minority cannot vote independence if they are below 50% (which happend in last 3 referendums-2018, 2020 and 2022,voted no for independence).

 

[jstar]

How is this connected to the subject?

Yes you’re right, much less than starting a discussion here if <50% can be a majority or not.

In fact it is very relevant, unless you can’t read very well. The US has programs which they call exchange programs with other countries in which in this case -as you could have read- certain people are groomed to understand the US policies in this region. Including security, military and …. defense. Et voilà we’re back on topic; you’re welcome.

 

[centurion]

Yes you’re right, much less than starting a discussion here if <50% can be a majority or not.

In fact it is very relevant, unless you can’t read very well. The US has programs which they call exchange programs with other countries in which in this case -as you could have read- certain people are groomed to understand the US policies in this region. Including security, military and …. defense. Et voilà we’re back on topic; you’re welcome.

Your profound internet content analysis is astonishing.

I have been in the IVP (name at that time) in the US, year 2001. And surprize, surprize, Chinese have a similar program, been on that one in 2010. Let me know if I missed something.

 

[Hawk256]

It means that minority cannot vote independence if they are below 50% (which happend in last 3 referendums-2018, 2020 and 2022,voted no for independence).

That only matters if the other minorities are in opposition. It is possible for two mintory groups to vote together and then be majority of votes.

 

[Balifrog]

It means that minority cannot vote independence if they are below 50% (which happend in last 3 referendums-2018, 2020 and 2022,voted no for independence).

Completely wrong !
Elections / referendums don't work that way. The % is calculated on the number of actual voters, not the population or potential voters.

educate yourself on the subject of N.C. :

New Caledonia: Six questions to understand the current crisis

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And not all Kanaks are in favor of independance. Far from it !
Anyway the independentists knowing they had no chance of winning, in order to save face they decided to boycott the last referendum..
Result :
184.000 registered potential voters
88.000 participant (just over 40%)
96,5 % of this 88.000 voted against independance.
So the 85.000 votes won, even it's less than 50% of registered voters.

 

[Balifrog]

Yes you’re right, much less than starting a discussion here if <50% can be a majority or not.

In fact it is very relevant, unless you can’t read very well. The US has programs which they call exchange programs with other countries in which in this case -as you could have read- certain people are groomed to understand the US policies in this region. Including security, military and …. defense. Et voilà we’re back on topic; you’re welcome.

Yep, nicely summarized this brainwashing / seduction "Young leaders" program.
Macron participated in it....no wonder he is now a lackey of the US !

It is a very powerfull tool in the US "soft power" war.

 

[John indonesia]

They are inviting them pretty often.

Indonesia hosts largest military drills with US, allies as South China Sea tension grows - Asia & Pacific - The Jakarta Post

Super Garuda Shield aims to enhance army capabilities, strengthen regional security.

www.thejakartapost.com

Indonesian, US troops begin 'Super Garuda Shield' joint drills - Politics - The Jakarta Post

The US and its Asian allies have expressed growing concern about China's increasing assertiveness in the Pacific, but Washington has said the drills are not aimed at any country.

www.thejakartapost.com

They are, and Indonesia is likely getting a lot of training value from them.
The question is, in the event of a warming up of the cool war we're experiencing at the moment, would the US try to remove Prabowo, or even invade on a WMD style pretext?

 

[John indonesia]

Of course. Look where your KitchenAid is made for instance. The problem is also many parts are produced in China but the assembly could be somewhere else.

My fridges are Korean. I had to look because I bought them on specification rather than manufacturer name.
As you say, it's possible they are Korean in name, but Chinese inside. A quick google suggests the possibility but I didn't look properly. I also saw something about LG in Indonesia, so perhaps they assemble them here. I'll try to remember to look at the label when I move them for cleaning.

If they do, and I know other companies work that way, it's very possibly part of the same economic reasoning the US is scared of.

 

[fastpitch17]

They are, and Indonesia is likely getting a lot of training value from them.
The question is, in the event of a warming up of the cool war we're experiencing at the moment, would the US try to remove Prabowo, or even invade on a WMD style pretext?

I think you need to take a break from the conspiracy sights and get some fresh air.

 

[MamangDudul]

Can someone explain to me again why the USA would want to remove Prabowo? Because I don't really see why.

Cause he is supposedly pro China? I guess no one gets around China these days business wise. I know many Chinese Indonesians who didn't vote for Prabowo though, cause they think his role in 98 is controversial to say the least. Not that we will ever find out, but that left a deep mark within many Chinese.

 

[John indonesia]

I think you need to take a break from the conspiracy sights and get some fresh air.

It's a question for discussion - Not fact