YOU shall not pass.

Back in the 1990s I used to spend the occasional weekend with friends who had a Dutch colonial house in Batu city centre. The only problem was that after 4pm a night market would set up in the street outside and cars couldn't get in or out. You had to find a parking space, walk to the property and then return around midnight to collect your car. It was six or seven nights a week!
 
I think you find the ceremony takes place in the actual house of the deceased / wedding etc and the road is only blocked either end so that the chairs etc can be put safely in the street

I'm sure everyone nearby in that street / community is aware of the blockage beforehand
 
On our gangs they usually put a note up that the gang will close in a couple of days, although the prayer meeting the other night they didnt
 
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I think you find the ceremony takes place in the actual house of the deceased / wedding etc and the road is only blocked either end so that the chairs etc can be put safely in the street

I'm sure everyone nearby in that street / community is aware of the blockage beforehand

This particular case I said above blocked the whole 3-exit crossroad similar to the shape of letter T. To put it simply his "blockage" made 3 dead ends on the street.

Yes, the local mosque always informs who died with other small announcements. Sadly some people are at work during that time or simply not present once on the way back they got a "surprise".
 
I think you have got to be really careful where you live here , because some areas are worse than others , for noise, ceremonies and of course the character of local people , ya it needs a lot of research to live in some kind of peace .
Because we are foreigners and next to no rights here .
 
However, I've been in situations in Jakarta where the impact has been more than "light" and it has cost 45 minutes or an hour of my time due to a poorly managed street celebration
What you guys fell to see/understand is that it is not the tradition that you should blame, nor the family holding the celebration. These celebrations are authorized by the RT/RW, therefore it is THEIR responsibility, if they grant an authorization for the celebration , to manage the traffic and divert it properly. Honking a horn, yelling and showing anger is just plain rude and paint, once again, the bule community on a poor light. If you have any trouble with the way the traffic is diverted, this is to the RT/RW or the police that you should direct your complain. The family holding the celebration has asked and obtained an authorization to use part or all the public road. They use it. Now, if you believe you suffer any inconvenience, just don't shoot at the wrong person: go to the RT/RW but don't give an headache to those who have been granted an authorization because, as I warned in a previous post, the reward you may get is not the one you may wish for.
 
What you guys fell to see/understand is that it is not the tradition that you should blame, nor the family holding the celebration. These celebrations are authorized by the RT/RW, therefore it is THEIR responsibility, if they grant an authorization for the celebration , to manage the traffic and divert it properly. Honking a horn, yelling and showing anger is just plain rude and paint, once again, the bule community on a poor light. If you have any trouble with the way the traffic is diverted, this is to the RT/RW or the police that you should direct your complain. The family holding the celebration has asked and obtained an authorization to use part or all the public road. They use it. Now, if you believe you suffer any inconvenience, just don't shoot at the wrong person: go to the RT/RW but don't give an headache to those who have been granted an authorization because, as I warned in a previous post, the reward you may get is not the one you may wish for.
Stockholm syndrome much? This "tradition" belongs in the dustbin of history with such "traditions" as forcing maids to sleep on the floor with no mattress (which I am told used to be quite common). How is the blockage of the road the fault of people who gave permission rather than the people actually blocking the road??? The RT / RW is ALSO (ir) responsible, but this does not absolve the selfish "king and queen of the road" of their responsibility. Being able to bribe an RT does not make it OK to block a public road. I have more sympathy when such events are funerals, but for Pete's sake, even then, there should AT LEAST be enough space for cars to pass single-file. As for weddings, I have attended many different types of wedding receptions, and, at least in Jakarta, there are proper venues which cater to effectively all different budget levels without blocking traffic!!!
 
Try honking a horn at this lot.......

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What you guys fell to see/understand is that it is not the tradition that you should blame, nor the family holding the celebration...Now, if you believe you suffer any inconvenience, just don't shoot at the wrong person: go to the RT/RW but don't give an headache to those who have been granted an authorization...

I never said I blame the family or the tradition. I don't. And I certainly wouldn't shoot at someone, figuratively or literally. In fact, though I of course know you didn't mean it that way, it's a rather painful choice of words for me as an American right now. We don't need any more shooting of any kind!

Jakarta is a bit different from the desa. It's a huge city, very impersonal once you are out of your own little area. There is no way I am going to waste my time trying to find an RW to complain to every time traffic patterns get screwed up. Half the time the RW isn't even in the vicinity - heck, I've lived places where after being there for years I had still never met the RT even though I tried.
 
Stockholm syndrome much?
"Hostage", me? Certainly not. If there is an hostage here, suffering from a condition, it is certainly not me. However your choice of locution is particularly interesting and I kindly suggest you to re-evaluate the reasons you are here. I wouldn't like to live in a place where I don't enjoy most every minute of my time and where I respect the values of the people surrounding me.

I won't quote it entirely, but later in your post you say something about "being able to bribe an RT". How come can you possibly be so wrong after years living here is beyond me. Families, to be granted an authorization to held a ceremony like a funeral or a wedding don't need to "bribe an RT". Heck, most of the time they may even not give uang rokok.

You and I may perhaps afford to rent an aula or to hold any ceremony in our own house without impacting traffic, but for the most the people who hold these ceremonies can't afford to do it. They can't bear the cost of it nor they can arrange the logistic for it. Their house is practically the only place they can do it and the RT know it. Bear in mind that they need to cook and often if not always need to accommodate the family and community members who will help (who don't talk about a couple of pembantu here, but often about dozens of people). Save for their house, and not having the means that you and I may have, there is little choice left for them. Your statement about "proper venues which cater to effectively all different budget levels" is just ridiculous.

You obviously never have been invited to a wedding in a poor/not so mampu family. For many Indonesian, certainly the majority, a a proper venue catering to their budget is a free venue because the total cost of a wedding or funeral exceeds already by far years of the meager salary they get. On their behalf, allow me to apologize for being poor/not being able to add to their wedding/funeral budget what you call a "proper venue".

RT/RW recognize the social importance of such ceremony and the fact that some can't afford, for a question of logistic or cost, anything else than their house, and will grant their authorization knowing that the huge majority of their citizens, despite having to waste 5 minutes or 45 minutes, will accept it. This is the reason why I never heard of an izin not being granted. It's also why, despite being impacted, most Indonesian will let it go and realize that the time wasted is worth it/not so important since less fortunate people than them may afford to pay respect to their departed loved one or marry their daughter/son.

But again, I couldn't care less of the way you deal with it. Please, continue to honk your horn and get your wife mad for a reason you don't get. It's not me who will bear the consequences at the end of the day.
 
There is an old saying "when in Rome do what the Romans do". Those of us who have decided to live here permanently do so with the understanding that we have been granted the privilege to live in Indonesia and accept the the customs and culture of the country. If we are not prepared to go along with the culture we should not be here.

Indonesian culture is very much about family and community and holding family celebrations at home is very much part of the culture regardless of the family budget. However, this is not so different from other countries where the majority of celebrations are held in the home.

Indeed when I lived in Australia I chose to hold most of my family celebrations at home. I would do a letter box drop in my neighborhood to alert neighbors to possible parking problems while at the sametime inviting them to the celebration.In Indonesia you do virtually the same thing by asking permission from the RT/RW and then visit homes to invite community members.

From a practicality perspective, it would be impossible hold most celebrations in Indonesia without encroaching on the roads as the vast majority live in small houses with little land. In most areas the roads are narrow which adds to the problem.

I cant understand why anyone would complain in Jakarta about a small delay given the fact we live in a permanent traffic jam.
 
This is the culture, respect it, suck it up, enjoy it etc but don't moan, it is part of their identity and yes as Atlantis says we are talking about very poor families in a kampung area and certainly not the type of family or community that could afford even the basic venue. Do you even know how much a "basic" venue would cost, plus the food etc etc

That is why it is called a community, everyone pitches in, all the Ibu's in that street will cook and "donate" time and food etc to pitch in. Heck even for rich Chinese weddings they still expect you to donate money at the entrance, even the ones who rent the 5* venues for $500,000 events, they even put your name on the envelope to check later how much you donated.

How would you feel if you lived in NYC near Trump Tower and everytime Cheeto went out, every street for blocks and blocks was totally blocked off?

You will certainly survive longer and be happier if you embrace these smaller quaint elements of Indonesian life and culture.

If you are in such a hurry to get somewhere, I am sure if you are so important, they will wait for you

Be Cool - watch from 50 seconds onwards:

 
1 x community centre - building in decent shape with roof, swimming pool big enough to accommodate 300 people, large parking in front
2 x gardens decent size gardens, grass is cut frequently, trees are nicely trimmed.
1 x tennis court
1 x playground for children - I would say it is bigger than both gardens combined.
1 x place where you can play basket ball.
1 x place for handball (kids use it for playing football)
1 x half the size of previous playground for children

Someone died few weeks ago. Road is blocked with chairs and tent. next to it is a beautiful large green area. Hah ... what's that... mud, water ok, we have beautiful brand new tennis court with nice hard surface, paved way with lamps.

So here is my question to those who are "defending" blocking roads (I am not against, I pay respect to their ceremonies because I know it is important), I just ask out of curiosity:

Why do you have to block the roads and not use those places that I did mentioned above?
Apologies, I've missed your post.
Were you seriously suggesting that the family of the defunct use the swimming pool premises (and therefore expose the mayat there) or the handball court?
This is a funeral ceremony, not a curling or waterpolo tournament. :) The house of the defunct, where the defunct is exposed, seem by far the most appropriate place.
 
The only swimming pool in my kampung is when it rains and everything floods
 
It amazes me how the kids splash and play in the flood water, the must have cast iron constitutions, with all that muck floating in the water
 
It amazes me how the kids splash and play in the flood water, the must have cast iron constitutions, with all that muck floating in the water
That's protein, many snacks often float past, snake, lizard, dog, crocodile etc
 
Apologies, I've missed your post.
Were you seriously suggesting that the family of the defunct use the swimming pool premises (and therefore expose the mayat there) or the handball court?
This is a funeral ceremony, not a curling or waterpolo tournament. :) The house of the defunct, where the defunct is exposed, seem by far the most appropriate place.

Yes, I was serious.

It is outdoor swimming pool - outside the building. You can close the door, curtains ect. to the swimming pool and back garden if you think this could disturb funeral. However if you perform baptism ceremony or birthday, wedding .... you can open it. What I wanted to say is you can use the community building facilities not some shabby tent on the road.

What is so disturbing about handball court?
 
Wow I don't know what kind of kampung community you live in that has a handball court and a pool?!?! lol
 

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