Windows 10

[Minuteman]

So, what is the deal with Windows 10 news being shutdown in another 30 days? Does it mean that my laptop will be unusable after that time? Anybody have any ideas about this?

 

[Nicho]

So, what is the deal with Windows 10 news being shutdown in another 30 days? Does it mean that my laptop will be unusable after that time? Anybody have any ideas about this?

Windows 10 will no longer be supported by microsoft which means you will not receive any updates after the mentioned date . You can still use your laptop as normal but it may slow down and not be compatible with newer programs over time . If you have a newer laptop you may be able to update to Windows 11 which will remain supported . You can do a compatibility check and update for free on the Windows or Microsoft web sites .

 

[harryopal1]

I have Windows 10 and not enough capacity to upload to Windows 11. I have installed Ccleaner free which can be used to clean out junk and scan for virus. I have seen Linux recommended as an alternative to Windows. If switching, the important thing is to save your data. However my understanding is that you can keep using Windows 10 after Microsoft drop support.

 

[marcus]

... but it may slow down ...

I don't use Windows since Windows XP (which I used long after it stopped receiving updates) , but as I don't use a computer for anything confidential except internet banking (that has its own security : 1 fixed + 1 random passwords + account no.) , I personally prefer not having frequent OS updates .

Besides taking time (I use to switch off the power as soon as I finish using) , updates also make the OS bigger so probably slowing down the computer's operation if it has no RAM in excess .

One of the reasons I use Linux is that most (if not all) of its versions are smaller than Windows (many say they are quicker because of that) and at least some I used/use had/have no mandatory updating .

 

[Nicho]

I don't use Windows since Windows XP (which I used long after it stopped receiving updates) , but as I don't use a computer for anything confidential except internet banking (that has its own security : 1 fixed + 1 random passwords + account no.) , I personally prefer not having frequent OS updates .

Besides taking time (I use to switch off the power as soon as I finish using) , updates also make the OS bigger so probably slowing down the computer's operation if it has no RAM in excess .

One of the reasons I use Linux is that most (if not all) of its versions are smaller than Windows (many say they are quicker because of that) and at least some I used/use had/have no mandatory updating .

I had trouble with the windows updates maxing out my RAM so I chose to update what I wanted manually . Might have a look at Linux ! Cheers .

 

[marcus]

... Might have a look at Linux ! Cheers .

Check https://distrowatch.com/

 

[Hawk256]

I had trouble with the windows updates maxing out my RAM so I chose to update what I wanted manually . Might have a look at Linux ! Cheers .

Mac OS and Linux are both based on the same operating system and have very similar security and underpinnings. Yes, there is an Apple "tax" but the simplicity of the OS and quality of the hardware make up for the price difference. It's nice to have something that just works and doesn't need tinkering to get basic operation.

 

[pantaiema]

Not all laptops or PCs can be upgraded to Windows 11.

You’ll need to ensure your device meets the minimum system requirements, which you can check https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications

Personal opinion:
If your laptop or PC is already relative old (say over five years old), it might be more practical to invest in a new one with a better specification. Older machines often run slower, which can affect your productivity. Alternatively, for a more cost-effective option, consider purchasing secondhand laptop or PC that have a better specification.

 

[harryopal1]

My laptop does not have enough capability to download Windows 11 but there have been so many negative reports about 11 that I am not rushing out to get another laptop. I wil stay with Windows 10 and if and when there are problems I will save data and try Linux. It seems to me to be a poor public relations decision for Microsoft to dump Windows 10. I have seen an estimate of there being up to 600 million people worldwide using Windows 10.

 

[Shadrach]

My laptop does not have enough capability to download Windows 11 but there have been so many negative reports about 11 that I am not rushing out to get another laptop. I wil stay with Windows 10 and if and when there are problems I will save data and try Linux. It seems to me to be a poor public relations decision for Microsoft to dump Windows 10. I have seen an estimate of there being up to 600 million people worldwide using Windows 10.

Do you really think they give a Rat's Bottom about public relations? This is the Old Tried and True technique of not allowing upgrades anymore so you're forced to buy the latest model computer, laptop, smart phone, tablet, etc! I have an Apple iPad that is about 7 years old. Luckily it is still letting me download the newest Os system, but Alas, the day will come, and they will say my iPad is too old, so go buy a new one! I live on a pension now, and my rent here takes all of that, so the day I need a new machine, is going to be a Sad day for my Pocket book! But I do love new gadgets!

 

[pantaiema]

If you are still using Windows 10, your computer will continue to work, but you will not get an update from Microsoft including essential security update, because MS terminated supporting this old windows version. Without security updates or technical support from Microsoft, your device will become increasingly exposed to security risks.

If this was the case, just make sure to avoid doing financial transaction or completing online form that will include your personal information.

 

[pantaiema]

Do you really think they give a Rat's Bottom about public relations? This is the Old Tried and True technique of not allowing upgrades anymore so you're forced to buy the latest model computer, laptop, smart phone, tablet, etc! I have an Apple iPad that is about 7 years old. Luckily it is still letting me download the newest Os system, but Alas, the day will come, and they will say my iPad is too old, so go buy a new one! I live on a pension now, and my rent here takes all of that, so the day I need a new machine, is going to be a Sad day for my Pocket book! But I do love new gadgets!

In this forum, we try to support one another, share experiences, and learn together whether from good or bad practices.

Regarding your rent or accommodation, it appears that a significant portion of your income is being spent on housing. The commonly accepted guideline (Subject to personal circumstances) is that for most people accommodation costs should not exceed 30% of your income. This is particularly important if you plan to stay long-term or permanently and have other options available. You never know what unexpected expenses might arise in the future such as needing to upgrade your devices to stay secure. not vulnerable to hackers, malwares (like in this case), replace an old motorcycle that beyond repair, need temporary accommodation in a hotel for a few months, unexpected legal bill, or cover emergency medical bills, etc etc

In Indonesia, including Bali, there are usually many ways to reduce accommodation expenses for those who are willing to look for alternatives.

 

[harryopal1]

If you are still using Windows 10, your computer will continue to work, but you will not get an update from Microsoft including essential security update, because MS terminated supporting this old windows version. Without security updates or technical support from Microsoft, your device will become increasingly exposed to security risks.

If this was the case, just make sure to avoid doing financial transaction or completing online form that will include your personal information.

I am using Ccleaner and AVG for keeping the laptop free of virus and malware. I hope that might enable me to keep using Windows 10.

 

[marcus]

... I wil stay with Windows 10 and if and when there are problems I will save data and try Linux ...

From my experience with computers/smartphones , I think you don't need to worry much about operation problem . I used Windows XP long after it not having updates and I am using a Xiaomi Redmi 6A with Android 8 (today's Android is no.16 already) that received the last security update in 2020 , never had any problem . The main problem may be the vulnerability increase to malicious software , which can be greatly minimized by the way we use computers , smartphones , ...

You can install a Linux together with the Windows too . I have been using only Linux for some 15 years and I am surprised by its still low adoption , because nowadays there is probably nothing an average person cannot do with it easily . There is probably less malicious software targeting Linux OS too .

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How to avoid malware :

• when installing new software avoid downloading bundleware (a group of software you can sometimes download unwillingly ...)
• download software only from trusted sources
• pay attention to security warnings from your browser.
• don’t click on links in emails or text messages and don’t download suspicious attachments.
• avoid clicking on ads about your computer’s performance.
• scan external devices before using (thumb drives, external storage, and other things you connect through USB ports).
• install antivirus and anti-malware programmes and keep them up to date.
• back your data up frequently (to avoid losing access to important things).
• use multi-factor authentication.
• stay up to date/informed about the latest threats.

 

[John indonesia]

Windows 10 will no longer be supported by microsoft which means you will not receive any updates after the mentioned date .

Is that a disadvantage or a bonus?

 

[Balifrog]

and I am using a Xiaomi Redmi 6A with Android 8 (today's Android is no.16 already) that received the last security update in 2020 , never had any problem

The issue is that the old O.S. will not accept some new updates.
I had the problem with an 8 y old Samsung C5 Pro. The N.Y.T. updated their app, but "your system is not compatible with this update.." Ok, no problem, I'll use the website.
A few weeks later HSBC updated their app..
Now we have a problem !
Off to the Samsung store to buy a new phone. Not the fancy 15 M one, but a simple Galaxy A15 with Android 15, 8 Gb RAM and 256 Gb memory. Cost 3M.
Add a decent SD card to that and you're set for a few years.

 

[marcus]

The issue is that the old O.S. will not accept some new updates...

Yes , forgot about that .

I also had to buy a phone with a newer Android because of HSBC . By the way , I am worried about this bank . They used to require 2 passwords (1 fixed + 1 random) but now just 1 is required (the fixed one which is the weakest) . And unfortunately Seabank also requires only 1 fixed password .

I now use this newer phone (with its own password) mainly for bank accounts .

Curiously this phone problem is uncommon with most computers . Although you can install a new Android in an old phone , it is riskier .

 

[harryopal1]

I have seen it said that there may be a move by hackers to Window 10 users due to vulnerability. I am looking at Marcus's suggestion of downloading Linux while keeping Windows 10. Not sure what the implications are regarding security if one does this. I use Wise for occasional transfers from my Aus bank to a BCA account.

Another concern is losing all the data with my present Windows 10. Am considering using a Jimbaran computer place that I trust to maybe save data and then do a Linux download but not really sure of their expertise with what seems a relatively complicated process.

 

[Balifrog]

By the way , I am worried about this bank . They used to require 2 passwords (1 fixed + 1 random) but now just 1 is required (the fixed one which is the weakest) . And unfortunately Seabank also requires only 1 fixe

Yes, strange the difference between the password system on their app and that of the website.

 

[marcus]

... with what seems a relatively complicated process.

Doing many things for the first time seems complicated , but as there is a lot of information of how to do a Linux installation in the internet , it becomes a good learning/brain exercise that I recommend .