Where is Lion Air JT610?

[snpark]

And now everyone is posting the pic of the last Lion Air plane that overshot the runway and ended up on the beach / half in water etc and split into 2

Don't know why people just copy paste spread that stuff without thinking first, people here are so gullible and naive just automatically believe what they see and read on the net without thinking first. They know the plane crashed 60km out so how can they post a pic of the plane at the end of a runway.
Same with the mask selfies. Just ridiculous really.

Don't think it was anything to do with fuel, haven't heard any of those "rumours", most likely seems to be electrical problem not enough power to climb?

 

[Nimbus]

A passenger of the previous flight in the same plane said that it had engine issues, which led to a delayed departure from Denpasar to Jakarta.

http://www.tribunnews.com/section/2...lum-jatuh-sebut-ada-masalah-sejak-di-denpasar

 

[atlantis]

A passenger of the previous flight in the same plane said that it had engine issues, which led to a delayed departure from Denpasar to Jakarta.

http://www.tribunnews.com/section/2...lum-jatuh-sebut-ada-masalah-sejak-di-denpasar

The story might be true but it should be taken with a pinch of salt until it's officially confirmed. A delayed Lion Air flight is not exactly a rare occurrence and may happen for pretty much any reasons. Heck! with them it's more an on time plane which should be regarded suspiciously.

 

[Nimbus]

The story might be true but it should be taken with a pinch of salt until it's officially confirmed. A delayed Lion Air flight is not exactly a rare occurrence and may happen for pretty much any reasons. Heck! with them it's more an on time plane which should be regarded suspiciously.

She said that the AC was out, the light blinked like in a horror movie, and the engine sounded funny. There was clearly a technical problem, but Lion Air pressed on. It sounds like the typical "nggak papa" attitude.

It was a fairly new plane; it went into service this year, so it wasn't a piece of flying junk. I suspect maintenance issues.

 

[snpark]

But that also happens when they disconnect from the generator and go onto their own power? The lights flicker, the a/c goes on and off and there is a "funny" noise. Now unless she is a frequent flyer I would not listen to much to what she says plus a brand new 737 just in service, it might well sound "different" to the rust buckets they usually use

I remember when the 380 launched, it was so quiet that the pilots could hear every squeak and rattle and got worried, and when they tried to sleep they couldn't because they were so used to the engine whine, it was too quiet for them

Anyway seems everyone is knocking Lion Air now and cancelling flights etc, don't see why they feel to do that, I guess that's just how some people react, as if other airlines have never had problems.

Let's see, but with a brand new plane and 2 of their most experienced pilots it must be some incredible catastrophic tech failure

 

[Puspawarna]

A passenger of the previous flight in the same plane said that it had engine issues, which led to a delayed departure from Denpasar to Jakarta.

It's pretty strange knowing that the plane you were on crashed on its next flight! That happened to me years ago; I was on an outbound flight from Manila, and on its return to Manila the plane crashed. It was disconcerting, to say the least.

 

[Nimbus]

It's pretty strange knowing that the plane you were on crashed on its next flight! That happened to me years ago; I was on an outbound flight from Manila, and on its return to Manila the plane crashed. It was disconcerting, to say the least.

That's the lottery you're glad to lose...

 

[nd_eric_77]

It's pretty strange knowing that the plane you were on crashed on its next flight! That happened to me years ago; I was on an outbound flight from Manila, and on its return to Manila the plane crashed. It was disconcerting, to say the least.

Most of our g9 and half of our g10 students flew to Malang and Bali, respectively, yesterday morning. When I saw the headline of contact lost on a flight from Jakarta, I felt a temporary wave of panic until I saw that it was the Lion Air flight going to Bangka (and then guilt for feeling relieved - emotions are weird). It is kind of creepy thinking that our students and teachers were checking in at the same time as people who were in the last hours of their lives.

 

[atlantis]

It's pretty strange knowing that the plane you were on crashed on its next flight! That happened to me years ago; I was on an outbound flight from Manila, and on its return to Manila the plane crashed. It was disconcerting, to say the least.

Me it was a plane I should have taken for a connection which crashed before, forcing me to be grounded in Bucarest for almost 48 hours, time for the company to find a replacement plane. Needless to say that the passengers grounded like me were not in a hurry that Tarom finds it. This being said, in the early 90's you had to be young and adventurous to fly Aeroflot, Tarom, Biman Bangladesh and the like. Crashes and technical problems were not that uncommon. Thanks to these three companies I had a free unplanned stay in Moscow, Bucarest and Dhaka (twice for Dhaka).

 

[ChrisTex]

This one? Not real, different flight different airline.
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Yep that was the one. I'm glad I didn't ask my manger to forward it to me as it is a hoax.

In any case, I hope they find the black box soon so we can find out what really happened. The US Transportation is also sending people over to help with the investigation. Singapore has also sent in people to help as well.

https://thehill.com/policy/transpor...esia-in-investigation-of-lion-air-plane-crash

Australia has told their people not to fly on Lion Air.

https://www.express.co.uk/travel/ar...e-accident-indonesia-australia-travel-warning

https://www.chiangraitimes.com/aust...warning-for-lion-air-after-jakarta-crash.html

This article has some pictures of the rescue operation.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/trav...a/news-story/342f8ec7e45e4c9e9364bbc251bea9e4

 

[snpark]

Australia has told their people not to fly on Lion Air.

Every cloud has a silver lining

 

[nd_eric_77]

Sorry to say, but I found that a lot of the tweets about JT610 were... shall we say, overly optimistic. People kept saying that they hope rescuers will find survivors... If you look at the diagrams showing air speed & altitude, that is absurdly unrealistic. JT610 lost altitude at a rate faster than freefall... The jet engines were accelerating all the way to impact. The sheer force of that impact would be many times stronger than any human being could survive.

 

[Nimbus]

Sorry to say, but I found that a lot of the tweets about JT610 were... shall we say, overly optimistic. People kept saying that they hope rescuers will find survivors... If you look at the diagrams showing air speed & altitude, that is absurdly unrealistic. JT610 lost altitude at a rate faster than freefall... The jet engines were accelerating all the way to impact. The sheer force of that impact would be many times stronger than any human being could survive.

I saw pictures of the body bags, they all look mostly empty. It means all they got are body parts. Since it happens at sea, pretty soon they won't have anything left of the people.

 

[jstar]

This could have a major impact. Of course in Europe the whole removal of the blacklist thing is raising its controversial head again. And many 'I told you so' reactions. Although people forget fast. (Cf. Air Asia QZ8501).

As sad as it is of course, quite a lot of questions are raised on Indonesian social media why so many government officials were (financially) able to take this flight every Monday to work and go back on Friday to their homes in Jakarta. Esp. from the Pajak office; it seem half of them were wiped out.

 

[snpark]

Just fyi Lion Air and Air France are both rated the same safety rating in Europe

 

[Fred]

Brand new aircraft with some history of air speed indicator and altimeter faults that we know had altitude and speed issues before crashing.
This is likely to be a technical fault, very possibly something from Boeing rather than the carrier.
Blame with be distributed later, so just RIP to those lost for the moment.

 

[jstar]

Well, the blaming has already started: The Minister of Transportation announced that the Technical Director of Lion Air, has been removed from his function and will be replaced. Which is kind of weird since this is not a governmental but a privately owned commercial operation. Sanctioning a company; sure. Revoking licenses; fine. But 'firing' an individual?

 

[Fred]

Australia has told their people not to fly on Lion Air.

Australia always does stuff like that - they're a bunch of big girls' blouses.
Bloody struth, you'd expect them to be a little more logical ... but they're probably all pissed up on fosters to know reason.
There's nothing yet to prove this wasn't a manufacturing fault but everyone seems out to blame Lion before anyone has a clue.
Idiots!

 

[jstar]

Can we keep it a bit serene for a change?

Here's another one who loves squalling:

 

[ChrisTex]

Australia always does stuff like that - they're a bunch of big girls' blouses.
Bloody struth, you'd expect them to be a little more logical ... but they're probably all pissed up on fosters to know reason.
There's nothing yet to prove this wasn't a manufacturing fault but everyone seems out to blame Lion before anyone has a clue.
Idiots!

It isn't just the Aussies who are banning their people from flying Lion Air. A guy on my rugby team was told unless it is a personal trip, they aren't allowed to fly on Lion and he works for an Indonesian company.

As for who is to blame, we will have to wait and see. It could also be the person who was supposed to inspect the aircraft after the Bali-Jakarta flight reported an issue. I believe Algican(sp) has mentioned that the safety checks aren't always done according to proper procedure.

I've one article that mentioned the previous flight's report of a problem and it was very similar to JT610.

One piece of good news is they have found part of the black box.