Where is Lion Air JT610?

[Balifrog]

One very scary thing not mentionned is that the pilot doing the previous flight Bali to Jakarta decided to continue the flight after having a air speed / altitude discrepancy, doing a important drop, declaring a PAN PAN, asking to return to DPS a few minutes in the flight....and then declaring "its OK now"
But did the whole flight on a much lower altitude than the original flight plan.
IMHO he took a huge risk, and was simply lucky.

 

[Juggler]

I dont think it was a pitot/ static issue that cause the incident..clear weather day light ,a pilot with 6k hrs would have gone vmc surely

 

[nd_eric_77]

I am curious about how the reaction against Lion Air will affect JT152 from CGK to SIN (aka the "Visa Run Express"). That flight is typically chock full of expats on weekdays; I wonder if people will opt to take different airlines instead.

 

[snpark]

I am curious about how the reaction against Lion Air will affect JT152 from CGK to SIN (aka the "Visa Run Express"). That flight is typically chock full of expats on weekdays; I wonder if people will opt to take different airlines instead.

On the contrary, seats now only 100rb, time to stock up!!

 

[William King]

On the contrary, seats now only 100rb, time to stock up!!

They could be free and I would not take them.

 

[vocalneal]

and when they tried to sleep they couldn't because they were so used to the engine whine

hahaha. Merchant Navy stuff. Off duty Engineers wake up when the main engine(s) stop.

 

[Fred]

The box data is reported as showing the air speed indicator was experiencing problems on several flights, not just two. Of course these are early reports so prone to error, but any truth in them would be extremely bad news for the airline and the whole aviation industry here.
They've worked hard to get rid of the old mess, doing very well until this accident.
Whoever is responsible must be punished, that including the manufacturers if they share any blame.
Should it turn out the airline didn't follow proper procedure, I would suggest all those responsible see a lot of years in a cell, that including any management that failed to control their employees in the proper manner.

 

[snpark]

The box data is reported as showing the air speed indicator was experiencing problems on several flights, not just two. Of course these are early reports so prone to error, but any truth in them would be extremely bad news for the airline and the whole aviation industry here.
They've worked hard to get rid of the old mess, doing very well until this accident.
Whoever is responsible must be punished, that including the manufacturers if they share any blame.
Should it turn out the airline didn't follow proper procedure, I would suggest all those responsible see a lot of years in a cell, that including any management that failed to control their employees in the proper manner.

Have they released that info already? Wow that sure was quick. Apparantly it takes 2-3 weeks to get the data from the black box and they only found it a couple of days ago?
Have you been reading the Mirror or the Sun again ?

 

[Fred]

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Have they released that info already? Wow that sure was quick. Apparantly it takes 2-3 weeks to get the data from the black box and they only found it a couple of days ago?
Have you been reading the Mirror or the Sun again ?

Of course these are early reports so prone to error,

Try again, dopey

 

[Fred]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ne-had-airspeed-problem-4-flights/1889396002/

National Transportation Safety Committee chairman Soerjanto Tjahjono said the problem was similar on each of the four flights, including the fatal flight on Oct. 29 in which the plane plunged into the Java Sea minutes after taking off from Jakarta, killing all 189 people on board.

Oh look, they have the data and you're talking poop

 

[snpark]

You said "the box data"
The data from the box has not been released

 

[Ruserious]

Boeing issues a sort of statement
https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/7/18073532/boeing-737-max-faa-lion-air-jakarta-indonesia

The worrying bit is “could cause the flight crew to have difficulty controlling the airplane, and lead to excessive nose-down attitude, significant altitude loss, and possible impact with terrain.”

 

[dafluff]

While there seems to be legitimate technical failures in this particular crash, it still doesn't absolve Lion's critical lack of safety culture. This Strait Times article is a scary, though not surprising, read.

The government safety inspector had spent all night at the Makassar airport, in eastern Indonesia, several years ago, poring over a Lion Air jet that suffered a hydraulic failure.

Telling airline employees that the plane was to be grounded until the problem was fixed, the inspector went back to a hotel for a quick shower.

When the inspector returned, the plane was on the runway, about to take off.

Furious, the inspector demanded that the passengers disembark. But a supervisor with Lion Air explained how the airline had gone over the inspector's head: Federal transportation officials in Jakarta, the Indonesian capital, had given permission for takeoff. The plane was in the air minutes later.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/s...ir-hid-equipment-failures-and-beat-regulators

 

[R Cameron]

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/s...ir-hid-equipment-failures-and-beat-regulators

Good thing it wasn't for a shower and a nap!

edit: I clicked and read the article... your quote didn't get to the next paragraph!

Furious, the inspector demanded that the passengers disembark. But a supervisor with Lion Air explained how the airline had gone over the inspector's head: Federal transportation officials in Jakarta, the Indonesian capital, had given permission for takeoff. The plane was in the air minutes later.

 

[dafluff]

Good thing it wasn't for a shower and a nap!

edit: I clicked and read the article... your quote didn't get to the next paragraph!

Ah yes, the most scary part. I will put it in....

Also, specifically for the 737 Max:

Even by its own admission, Lion Air has skimped on pilot training compared with other airlines. When pilots for Garuda, Indonesia's national carrier, train to fly the Max 8, the same new model that crashed last month, they travel to Singapore to practice on a Max simulator. Lion Air pilots, by contrast, take a three-hour online-learning programme.

 

[Fred]

While there seems to be legitimate technical failures in this particular crash, it still doesn't absolve Lion's critical lack of safety culture. This Strait Times article is a scary, though not surprising, read.




https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/s...ir-hid-equipment-failures-and-beat-regulators

several years ago

What a waste of time posting a story from years ago in an attempt to suggest Lion are still doing the same stuff. Post one from this year or stop wasting readers' time reading ancient history.

Lion air may or may not have problems, but posting old stuff hardly helps anyone decide.
Anyway, the focus at the moment seems to be leaning towards Boeing cocking up their procedures, something that could very well have caused this crash.

 

[Fred]

Mr Frank Caron, who was brought in as Lion Air's safety manager from 2009 to 2011 on orders from insurance firms, said the carrier had an average of one major engineering issue every three days, even though most of its fleet was new.

Anything from this week, or even this year?

Having to post history from a time before the big shake up suggests you have nothing of interest to post so, in a desperate attempt to sling mud, you use old reports.
It's a bit crap of you

 

[centurion]

The article says that they had online training for Boeing 737 Max 8 instead of training on the simulator, that should have been a recent event.

 

[dafluff]

Anything from this week, or even this year?

Having to post history from a time before the big shake up suggests you have nothing of interest to post so, in a desperate attempt to sling mud, you use old reports.
It's a bit crap of you

Here is the e-mail address of the Strait Times so that you may direct your complaint to the proper channel: [email protected]

 

[Fred]

Here is the e-mail address of the Strait Times so that you may direct your complaint to the proper channel: [email protected]

Flies eat shit, but you don't have to copy them

Please explain the point of posting out of date stuff from long before the big shake up - You used to wear nappies and crap yourself, but I'm sure you've stopped now.