Vaccine effectiveness and Herd Immunity

[Missnaughty]

Now people get hysterical with me giving a "medical advice" for everyone to get the covid19 to build super immunity. Now, why bother to make a research if we just gonna ditch it?? you all push me to accept the research that suit your opinion and it is wrong for me to quote the research that suit mine? what a double standard..

 

[Missnaughty]

Literally, no one was selling the vaccine as a miracle solution.






That's exactly what they have been saying all along!

Here is the answer for the Question why don't they tell us that the vaccine can only prevent the severe illness and death from the beginning .... because they don't have a clue!! they go along as the reality hit!

And I am back with my argument.. how can someone make a mandate to something that is still in the process of trial and monitoring. A young healthy man (and for sure it is a lot more) died of vaccine, where he actually have 97% chance to survive Covid19. Even if it is only 1 soul, it is not fair! It is cruel. You don't solve a problem by creating another problem and call it a solution!

 

[Balifrog]

Literally, no one was selling the vaccine as a miracle solution.

You're joking I hope ?

Just ONE example.....

Pfizer and BioNTech Conclude Phase 3 Study of COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate, Meeting All Primary Efficacy Endpoints | Pfizer

Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose; 170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the vaccine group Efficacy was consistent across age, gender, race and...

www.pfizer.com

• Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose;170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the vaccine group
• Efficacy was consistent across age, gender, race and ethnicity demographics; observed efficacy in adults over 65 years of age was over 94%

Woaw....95% efficacity.... and 94% over 65 y old ! And see the part I put in bold.
Many studies have now showed this to be completely wrong...

So, with now 1 year "experience" what is the REAL efficacity rate ?

Claiming 95% efficacity when everybody knows that a flu vaccine, tested and improved every year since 10 years has only 70% efficacity.....
What do you call that ?

Marketing tricks or manipulation ?

 

[Nimbus]

Oh hell yes... I am quoting the "expert with medical background"... you will get super immunity by getting a breakthrough infection... so I am agreeing with your scientist.. still not happy?

Do experts actually suggest that people should purposely get infected? I don’t read that anywhere, so that’s your own medical opinion. Therefore, just like you did, we ask for your medical credentials.

 

[Nimbus]

I had an argument with hubs last nite and he gave me the seat belt analogy... seriously??? no one can come up with their own version analogy?? .. yikes!

I mean, 2+2 has always equaled 4 from the beginning of human history. Nobody has come up with a different solution, so we must be lacking in creativity.

 

[William King]

You're joking I hope ?

Just ONE example.....

Pfizer and BioNTech Conclude Phase 3 Study of COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate, Meeting All Primary Efficacy Endpoints | Pfizer

Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose; 170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the vaccine group Efficacy was consistent across age, gender, race and...

www.pfizer.com

• Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose;170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the vaccine group
• Efficacy was consistent across age, gender, race and ethnicity demographics; observed efficacy in adults over 65 years of age was over 94%

Woaw....95% efficacity.... and 94% over 65 y old ! And see the part I put in bold.
Many studies have now showed this to be completely wrong...

So, with now 1 year "experience" what is the REAL efficacity rate ?

Claiming 95% efficacity when everybody knows that a flu vaccine, tested and improved every year since 10 years has only 70% efficacity.....
What do you call that ?

Marketing tricks or manipulation ?

Proof that you do not understand research nor the reporting of research.

Which is not an indictment, after all it takes most doctors 12 years of study to get there.

 

[Missnaughty]

I mean, 2+2 has always equaled 4 from the beginning of human history. Nobody has come up with a different solution, so we must be lacking in creativity.

With this matter, 2+2 is not 4. Therefore there are arguments. You guys just repeating what others say. 1 person (the one you like) went viral with mandatory seat belt analogy.. all just repeating it over and over again.

the worst of it you all know that while it is not 100% safety guarantee, you have nothing to lose by wearing a seat bealt. But this new vaccination, there are side effect, even death. What a cruel ignorant society that pushes such risks under the reason of “for greater good!”.

 

[Balifrog]

Proof that you do not understand research nor the reporting of research.

Which is not an indictment, after all it takes most doctors 12 years of study to get there.

And of course you are a experienced, qualified doctor I guess ?

 

[El_Goretto]

With this matter, 2+2 is not 4. Therefore there are arguments. You guys just repeating what others say. 1 person (the one you like) went viral with mandatory seat belt analogy.. all just repeating it over and over again.

the worst of it you all know that while it is not 100% safety guarantee, you have nothing to lose by wearing a seat bealt. But this new vaccination, there are side effect, even death. What a cruel ignorant society that pushes such risks under the reason of “for greater good!”.

ffs, ALL medicine have side effects! It's always a matter of balancing the risks vs reward. No vaccine means far more people will die of covid vs the tiny percentage of people who will have an adverse reaction to the vaccine. What's so hard to understand about this?

You're like a broken record who keeps complaining about how the vaccine is not perfect so we shouldn't use it. So what's the alternative? What do you propose that would have the outcome of LESS deaths than using the vaccine?

 

[ChrisTex]

Literally, no one was selling the vaccine as a miracle solution.

Not here on the forum, but I have seen people selling it and acting like it is the miracle solution on other places.

 

[Balifrog]

Does this kind of declaration by the top brains of the W.H.O. seems to you to be appropriate and intelligent ?

Redirect Notice

"A surge of Omicron cases will push European health systems towards the brink, the World Health Organization's top official in the continent has warned."

For me this kind of hysteric declaration is poor leadership, bad situation control, fear mongering, stupidity. And of course all media will enhance it !
And for every government it will be a good excuse for more strict regulations, limitations of freedom, population control.

Pure madness at every level. Anybody who has been leading people at management level knows this is the absolute wrong way of handling a crisis.

 

[centurion]

Covid Omicron: European nations reinstate restrictions

As the Omicron variant spreads across the continent, countries tighten curbs to brace for another wave.

www.bbc.com

The headline has been changed in the meantime. Same news, different headline.

 

[Balifrog]

Covid Omicron: European nations reinstate restrictions

As the Omicron variant spreads across the continent, countries tighten curbs to brace for another wave.

www.bbc.com

The headline has been changed in the meantime. Same news, different headline.

Shit, they're reading my posts ?

 

[Balifrog]

Remember :
"We have nothing to fear but fear itself."

Be careful and prudent, but don't abdicate from normal life based on fear.

 

[Dave70]

More than a million doses of expired COVID-19 vaccines donated to Nigeria were destroyed...


I wonder if there are any expired vaccines in Indonesia, and how it was disposed off.

 

[Missnaughty]

I don’t

ffs, ALL medicine have side effects! It's always a matter of balancing the risks vs reward. No vaccine means far more people will die of covid vs the tiny percentage of people who will have an adverse reaction to the vaccine. What's so hard to understand about this?

You're like a broken record who keeps complaining about how the vaccine is not perfect so we shouldn't use it. So what's the alternative? What do you propose that would have the outcome of LESS deaths than using the vaccine?

I DO NOT SAY not to use it. But not making it Mandatory, as it has side effect include death. For people like you, who know the side effecf and want to have it.. go ahead. What is so difficult to understand the difference between antivaxx and someone who wants to have freedom to choose?

 

[R Cameron]

But not making it Mandatory, as it has side effect include death.

You keep using this red herring. Where is the vaccine mandatory? In what country is the army or police coming to your door and injecting you? I unequivocally oppose such measures (if they are indeed happening anywhere) and I think everyone else here would agree.

Requiring vaccination to participate in certain public activities or have certain jobs is not a violation of your freedom. It's part of a social contract. If you want to stay at home and tend your garden in peace, no one is going to come inject you.

 

[Missnaughty]

If you are not vaccinated you CAN NOT go to school, CAN NOT travel, CAN NOT eat in the restaurant, CAN NOT work, CAN NOT go to hospital … ….. mmmh…. my posts gave the reasons not to put the blame nor fear the unvaccinated …

 

[El_Goretto]

I don’t

I DO NOT SAY not to use it. But not making it Mandatory, as it has side effect include death. For people like you, who know the side effecf and want to have it.. go ahead. What is so difficult to understand the difference between antivaxx and someone who wants to have freedom to choose?

There is no difference. If you refuse to get vaccinated then you are antivax.

But that's the problem, to eradicate the spread of a virus such COVID-SARS-2, the majority of the population should be vaccinated. It's an all or nothing type of deal.

Now, due to a slow roll-out and people refusing to get vaccinated, we are dragging this pandemic longer and longer with new variants.

Also, this freedom to choose is laughable. Unless you have a medical condition that puts you at a high risk, it makes you look extremely selfish because you CHOOSE not to get vaccinated knowing* that it is for the greater good so that we can move on from that crisis. It comes down to the fact that you don't want to face this minuscule personal risk, knowing* that the more people don't vaccinate, the more people will get infected and have serious consequences including deaths and overcrowding of hospitals.

As time goes on, I get more and more irritated by people like you because YOUR CHOICE impacts MY LIFE (and countless others far worse, I still consider myself lucky) because I cannot travel, I face the risk of overcrowded hospitals and new variants and so on. All because of people like you. Well, enjoy the travel restrictions, quarantine and inability to live a normal life for god knows how long.

(*) I choose the word "know" carefully because I refuse to believe that by now you do not know or understand the consequences of not vaccinating.

 

[Hawk256]

Now, due to a slow roll-out and people refusing to get vaccinated, we are dragging this pandemic longer and longer with new variants.

Also, this freedom to choose is laughable. Unless you have a medical condition that puts you at a high risk, it makes you look extremely selfish because you CHOOSE not to get vaccinated knowing* that it is for the greater good so that we can move on from that crisis. It comes down to the fact that you don't want to face this minuscule personal risk, knowing* that the more people don't vaccinate, the more people will get infected and have serious consequences including deaths and overcrowding of hospitals.

There in no proof that the variants would have come at the same rate with or without vaccination. Variants are expected and part of being a virus.

I never thought freedom to choose was laughable. As of now most women in the US can choose to terminate a pregnancy and a lot of people really support that choice. 100% of those cases results in a loss of life. Debate the details all you want. What is the mortality rate of COVID?