Trumponomics

[Ruserious]

I've been following a USaid story and dug into it a little bit. In my opinion both sides are wrong...Musk et al. for exaggerating what the money was used for and USaid for using any part of taxpayer money for what clearly should be a charity with voluntary donations. If anyone has more info on the story please contribute. It started with this video:

TikTok - Make Your Day

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So the wife of a ex UK politician is getting $1m from Usaid to teach Afghan aslyum seekers about modern art? Sounds insane!!!!!

So i dig a bit deeper. The charity involved (https://www.turquoisemountain.org/) was actually founded way back in 2006 by King Charles (Prince then) and does seem to have done some good things such as helping to restore heritage buildings and supporting artisan craftsmanship that could otherwise disappear. But i dont doubt that some of the money was used for modern art lessons and that most of the money was used by very rich people to try to make them look more noble and charitable. So on the balance of things to me in this case Trumponomics is correct and they should not be using tax payer money for such things. I presume there are thousands of these things hidden within USaid and there i agree that it needed pausing and a complete overhaul.

 

[Shadrach]

I've been following a USaid story and dug into it a little bit. In my opinion both sides are wrong...Musk et al. for exaggerating what the money was used for and USaid for using any part of taxpayer money for what clearly should be a charity with voluntary donations. If anyone has more info on the story please contribute. It started with this video:

TikTok - Make Your Day

www.tiktok.com

So the wife of a ex UK politician is getting $1m from Usaid to teach Afghan aslyum seekers about modern art? Sounds insane!!!!!

So i dig a bit deeper. The charity involved (https://www.turquoisemountain.org/) was actually founded way back in 2006 by King Charles (Prince then) and does seem to have done some good things such as helping to restore heritage buildings and supporting artisan craftsmanship that could otherwise disappear. But i dont doubt that some of the money was used for modern art lessons and that most of the money was used by very rich people to try to make them look more noble and charitable. So on the balance of things to me in this case Trumponomics is correct and they should not be using tax payer money for such things. I presume there are thousands of these things hidden within USaid and there i agree that it needed pausing and a complete overhaul.

OK, You are right about Musk exaggerating! This Art restoration project, is only one aspect of what USaid is doing. Do you think they should stop feeding children, and providing medicine to Aids patients? It is Now being held up in ports, and in time will become rotten and useless!
Maybe Musk should look into wasteful Military spending! Where Millions of $ are going unaccounted for?

 

[Ruserious]

Maybe Musk should look into wasteful Military spending! Where Millions of $ are going unaccounted for?

Yes he has said that is coming and i hope it does. Such wastage.

Yet again you only take one side of what i said and ignore the other part. But since you like to dream of perfect environments, imagine living in a place where your tax is relatively low but that all that money is used for actual things that are benficial to you. Better roads, better schools, better police. You can then take all the money you saved on tax and then give it to the charities that you want to support (and since you keep going on about it I hope you do give away a lot to charity) rather than letting a government decide.

 

[fastpitch17]

I've been following a USaid story and dug into it a little bit. In my opinion both sides are wrong...Musk et al. for exaggerating what the money was used for and USaid for using any part of taxpayer money for what clearly should be a charity with voluntary donations. If anyone has more info on the story please contribute. It started with this video:

TikTok - Make Your Day

www.tiktok.com

So the wife of a ex UK politician is getting $1m from Usaid to teach Afghan aslyum seekers about modern art? Sounds insane!!!!!

So i dig a bit deeper. The charity involved (https://www.turquoisemountain.org/) was actually founded way back in 2006 by King Charles (Prince then) and does seem to have done some good things such as helping to restore heritage buildings and supporting artisan craftsmanship that could otherwise disappear. But i dont doubt that some of the money was used for modern art lessons and that most of the money was used by very rich people to try to make them look more noble and charitable. So on the balance of things to me in this case Trumponomics is correct and they should not be using tax payer money for such things. I presume there are thousands of these things hidden within USaid and there i agree that it needed pausing and a complete overhaul.

That is what I have been saying. If one is to find the problems in an Agency you dig in and find the problems and correct them. This shutting the doors or reducing a workforce by 90% is not fixing the problem, just creating more. So far trumponomics is not fixing the problems.

 

[Hawk256]

I've been following a USaid story and dug into it a little bit. In my opinion both sides are wrong...Musk et al. for exaggerating what the money was used for and USaid for using any part of taxpayer money for what clearly should be a charity with voluntary donations. If anyone has more info on the story please contribute. It started with this video:

TikTok - Make Your Day

www.tiktok.com

So the wife of a ex UK politician is getting $1m from Usaid to teach Afghan aslyum seekers about modern art? Sounds insane!!!!!

So i dig a bit deeper. The charity involved (https://www.turquoisemountain.org/) was actually founded way back in 2006 by King Charles (Prince then) and does seem to have done some good things such as helping to restore heritage buildings and supporting artisan craftsmanship that could otherwise disappear. But i dont doubt that some of the money was used for modern art lessons and that most of the money was used by very rich people to try to make them look more noble and charitable. So on the balance of things to me in this case Trumponomics is correct and they should not be using tax payer money for such things. I presume there are thousands of these things hidden within USaid and there i agree that it needed pausing and a complete overhaul.

Latest news. Take it for what you will. We aren't talking peanuts here.

DOGE says it found nearly untraceable budget line item responsible for $4.7T in payments

DOGE identified a nearly untraceable code linking payments to the U.S. Treasury to a budget line item, accounting for nearly $4.7 trillion in payments.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Shadrach]

Yes he has said that is coming and i hope it does. Such wastage.

Yet again you only take one side of what i said and ignore the other part. But since you like to dream of perfect environments, imagine living in a place where your tax is relatively low but that all that money is used for actual things that are benficial to you. Better roads, better schools, better police. You can then take all the money you saved on tax and then give it to the charities that you want to support (and since you keep going on about it I hope you do give away a lot to charity) rather than letting a government decide.

Excellent Idea! I am so Ready! Pop the Champagne!

 

[Shadrach]

Latest news. Take it for what you will. We aren't talking peanuts here.

DOGE says it found nearly untraceable budget line item responsible for $4.7T in payments

DOGE identified a nearly untraceable code linking payments to the U.S. Treasury to a budget line item, accounting for nearly $4.7 trillion in payments.

www.yahoo.com

Well, I bet it's safe to say this untraceable budget line item is Not. Feeding, Educating, or Providing Medicine to Hungry, Starving Children and Adults around the World!

 

[Ruserious]

I just spent some time on the doge website (https://doge.gov/savings) and looked at some of the links for contracts that they claim they are cancelling. They link to something called the FPDS which shows government contracts which i have to presume is legit. You can then google the companies that won the contracts. All LLC's and after a while you will feel they are all the same type of companies. Maybe Musk etc is bullshitting this but looking at these links etc it doesnt feel like it. I always dismissed the swamp analogy but im starting to think its more realistic.
There is a similar one in the UK showing government contracts. Always interesting to follow the money (and its very big money)

 

[Balifrog]

you dig in and find the problems and correct them

That is close to impossible in a HUGE organization like USAid with 100's of department, section, etc.
And a management that wants to protect his job above all.
Closing down the whole thing is the best (and fastest) way.

 

[Shadrach]

That is close to impossible in a HUGE organization like USAid with 100's of department, section, etc.
And a management that wants to protect his job above all.
Closing down the whole thing is the best (and fastest) way.

Yes, for sure there must be some aspects than can be eliminated, but do you really want the USAid to stop providing food, shelter, and medical needs, for all the starving, hungry, homeless, people in the World, because of a few parts of USAid that are wasteful? I agree with FP17 and it would better to dig in, and find the problems, get rid of those, but not eliminate the critical ones, that are truly Life Saving!
We have to understand them going after USAid, is a smoke screen to cover up the bigger picture of What Musk is really wanting to do. Eliminate The FAA, and the Office of Budget and Management, and others, because these Department put a Crimp on his Businesses. SpaceX, and Tesla, for example. It's a joke, and a conflict of interest, when he is in charge of eliminating wasteful spending, But He is Immune to investigation.
The latest development is Trump saying Musk is not in Charge of DOGE, but just a White House advisor. By doing this, he will have Executive Immunity and be above the Law!
This guy is a business Genius! As soon as Trump got sworn in, Musk made Billions of dollars in Government contracts, but doesn't have to show a penny of where it went!

 

[Ruserious]

but do you really want the USAid to stop providing food, shelter, and medical needs, for all the starving, hungry, homeless, people in the World, because of a few parts of USAid that are wasteful

Yes. Because why is that the responsibility of the US taxpayers? Why is tax money being used on foreign charities?

As soon as Trump got sworn in, Musk made Billions of dollars in Government contracts,

Put your links and prove this. The contracts have been in pace for years including ones awarded under the biden administration.

 

[fastpitch17]

Well, I bet it's safe to say this untraceable budget line item is Not. Feeding, Educating, or Providing Medicine to Hungry, Starving Children and Adults around the World!

Yeah, take it for what you will but dig just a bit farther please. The coding for where they went is an optional entry code and more than likely the vast majority are completely legit. Of course not claiming the entire thing fits doge way if reporting, This optional coding has been in place for a long long time, even under trump. The system has now been changed to all entries must have a code. If they weren't just after negative headlines and got off their lazy asses they could reference the paper trail to see were every cent went. I suppose they could assign people to do that but they would have to hire many back.

I suppose next you are going to tell us about all the over 100 year olds are receiving SS or the 4.7 trillion paid out last year when they only pay out 1.7 trillion a year. How about all the ones that have been receiving SS for 90 years when SS only started 70 years ago? C'mon, all these claims and has anyone been shown any evidence big enough to actually make a difference. Musk has all these computer geniuses working for him but they know nothing about coding. Odd, I say. If they do, they are spreading intentional lies which is probably a daily thing.

 

[Hawk256]

I suppose next you are going to tell us about all the over 100 year olds are receiving SS or the 4.7 trillion paid out last year when they only pay out 1.7 trillion a year. How about all the ones that have been receiving SS for 90 years when SS only started 70 years ago? C'mon, all these claims and has anyone been shown any evidence big enough to actually make a difference. Musk has all these computer geniuses working for him but they know nothing about coding. Odd, I say. If they do, they are spreading intentional lies which is probably a daily thing.

DOGE is finding SS fraud and I know for a fact it exists. Even in my small town there were several cases of people not reporting deaths to SS and getting checks for years. Once that is compounded to the federal level, it's a lot of money. So far DOGE says it's it's in millions. They have never claimed billions or trillions or that people have been getting if for 90 years. What they have said is that there are millions of people over 100 and up to 137 years of age still getting checks but I'm sure everything is fine.

 

[Shadrach]

Yes. Because why is that the responsibility of the US taxpayers? Why is tax money being used on foreign charities?


Put your links and prove this. The contracts have been in pace for years including ones awarded under the biden administration.

Yea I guess you're Right. Why should US taxpayers help foreign Charities feed and cloth, and provide medicine, to poor hungry, some starving Women, and Children when that good money can be spent on Bombs, and Israel!
Better yet, Take away all these wasteful Programs, and give huge Tax breaks to the Wealthy, and Corporations! Oh sure, soon as Trump became Prez. Elon's contracts just happened to come in. What a coincidence!

 

[Ruserious]

Oh sure, soon as Trump became Prez. Elon's contracts just happened to come in

Again what contracts are you talking about? You rant and rave and have ZERO supporting evidence everytime (and please no more memes to support your claims). I gave you links and then researched some of the companies listed. Do some more ground work and dig a bit. Give some facts otherwise its all bullshit.

 

[Shadrach]

Again what contracts are you talking about? You rant and rave and have ZERO supporting evidence everytime (and please no more memes to support your claims). I gave you links and then researched some of the companies listed. Do some more ground work and dig a bit. Give some facts otherwise its all bullshit.

Hey lighten up Man. I just listen to the news presented on Youtube. They speak of these contracts. You need to look in the mirror about Ranting and Raving. Chill out, and don't blow a fuse over this stuff!
I heard on the news that those supposed people that old are on the records from when SS was create , for some kind of example, or references for trainee's. None of these people 137 years old are getting payments.
Of course there is some fraud with SS. But someone getting a fraudulent check is not that much. Even if it was a lot. It is a pittance compared to the Military budget, that has billions of unaccounted money, that can't be traced. And what about the billions given to Israel over the years. Hasn't it been enough already? On the News it shows almost all of Gaza has been blown to bits by the Israel's with American Bombs! Do you think these photos are false? And the Israel's are just a bunch of kind open hearted people?
Obviously I am a Liberal minded person. I Don't want the funds Wasted either! But I do have Compassion for the needy and would rather the money go to them, than to greedy rich people and corporations. It's sad that my wanting Equality and Justice for all is seen as a Rainbow dream, by some on here and they criticize me with angry words!
What do they want?

 

[Shadrach]

Yeah, take it for what you will but dig just a bit farther please. The coding for where they went is an optional entry code and more than likely the vast majority are completely legit. Of course not claiming the entire thing fits doge way if reporting, This optional coding has been in place for a long long time, even under trump. The system has now been changed to all entries must have a code. If they weren't just after negative headlines and got off their lazy asses they could reference the paper trail to see were every cent went. I suppose they could assign people to do that but they would have to hire many back.

I suppose next you are going to tell us about all the over 100 year olds are receiving SS or the 4.7 trillion paid out last year when they only pay out 1.7 trillion a year. How about all the ones that have been receiving SS for 90 years when SS only started 70 years ago? C'mon, all these claims and has anyone been shown any evidence big enough to actually make a difference. Musk has all these computer geniuses working for him but they know nothing about coding. Odd, I say. If they do, they are spreading intentional lies which is probably a daily thing.

All this explanation about coding is above my pay grade. Could you please put this in layman's term, so I might understand better. Thanks
I heard that much of what being presented as wasteful spending is be over exaggerated and falsely told. Such as $50.000.000 going to Gaza for condoms.The truth was, that money was sent to Africa nations to prevent the spread of AIDS. These so called facts being presented should be fact checked to see if they're true or false claims.

 

[harryopal1]

Wherever there is to be large government expenditure and whatever the noble aspirations as to the purposes sharks gather to feed. The US and many other countries have numerous inspector generals whose purposes are to audit expenditure and guard against misuse. IGs in America have been credited with saving enormous amounts of money over the years by exposing and stopping fraudulent misuse of funds. A rational approach to cutting back on waste would be to convene a conference of IGs and seeking extra efficiency. But there are always vested interests with good political connections who can use their influence to avoid close scrutiny. And Presidents and Governors are anxious not to upset special "friends' which would be sure to happen if a broad review and sweep were to take place.

DOGE is a way of ensuring control and only targeting those sectors which lack the political clout and ensuring that special friends are not embarrassed.

Take the giant US corporation Halliburton with a revenue of $24 billion in 2024 despite a long history of fraudulent, dishonest behaviour. Between 1994 and 2003 millions of dollars were paid to corrupt Nigerian officials for oil deals.

Dick Chaney the former Vice President and CEO of Halliburton had gained a $7 billion dollar contract without tender to provide supplies during the Iraq War and made enormous profits by over charging and invoicing the military and government departments for fuel supplies, and devices such as charging several hundred dollars for a minor piece of hardware and invoicing for millions for providing trucks while actually delivering beat up wrecks. Cheney resigned from the company with a severance package of $36 million.

In 2006 an accountant whistle blower reported Halliburton for fraudulent accounting illegally concealing billions of dollars.. The case went on for years but eventually charges against Halliburton were proven.

In Australia John Cain, a former premier between 1982 and 1990 gained enormous popularity by cutting back on costly and wasteful practices of members of parliament. During his term an MP had to apply for permission for air travel. Cain's whole performance was scrupulous but he set up a fund to encourage business and the sharks gathered and looted the fund and basically undid the Premier's standing.

So back to DOGE. The savaging of the US aid program has achieved the kind of populist response that the President loves. And no doubt there will be millions of savings. But do these processes indicate good government? Meanwhile I think we can be assurred that those companies with the right connections can safely go on feeding from the public trough.

 

[Hawk256]

Hey lighten up Man. I just listen to the news presented on Youtube.

And we all know and respect Youtube as a credible news source. How many Pulitzers have they won already? A few dozen? You should check out Reddit too where all conservative posts are deleted or downvoted into oblivion. Should be right up your alley since you only have to hear the things you want to hear whether they are true or not.

 

[Hawk256]

And no doubt there will be millions of savings.

They are already finding billions wasted and trillions with no explanation on what they went for. Millions are pocket money comparatively. So far the only people complaining are the democrats that budgeted the money and the parties receiving the money. Of course the media is against it as well because they anti conservative except FOX. The same scrutiny should be applied to all media and not just FOX. They all have an agenda these days.