The Various Court Cases Against Donald Trump

Hawk256 said:
The biggest problem is that abortion has become the leading method of birth control, Check the numbers.
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I can't tell anymore if your ignorance is enormous, or you are genuinely arguing in bad faith. This is so far from correct that you should either be laughed out of the 'building' or escorted out. And attempting to appear factual with your "check the numbers" comment. So, show me those number then!
  • ">99% of sexually experienced U.S. women aged 15–44 have used at least one contraceptive method as of 2008."
  • "Among sexually active women who were not seeking pregnancy, 88% were using a contraceptive method in 2016, and this proportion has remained steady since 2002"
  • "In 2018, 65% of U.S. women aged 15–49 were using a contraceptive method."
Source link.

  • "The abortion rate in 2017 was 13.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44, down 8% from 14.6 per 1,000 in 2014. This is the lowest rate ever observed in the United States; in 1973, the year abortion became legal, the rate was 16.3."
  • "At 2014 abortion rates, about one in four (24%) women will have an abortion by age 45."
Source link.
 
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Brian86 said:
I can't tell anymore if your ignorance is enormous, or you are genuinely arguing in bad faith. This is so far from correct that you should either be laughed out of the 'building' or escorted out. And attempting to appear factual with your "check the numbers" comment. So, show me those number then!
  • ">99% of sexually experienced U.S. women aged 15–44 have used at least one contraceptive method as of 2008."
  • "Among sexually active women who were not seeking pregnancy, 88% were using a contraceptive method in 2016, and this proportion has remained steady since 2002"
  • "In 2018, 65% of U.S. women aged 15–49 were using a contraceptive method."
Source link.

  • "The abortion rate in 2017 was 13.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44, down 8% from 14.6 per 1,000 in 2014. This is the lowest rate ever observed in the United States; in 1973, the year abortion became legal, the rate was 16.3."
  • "At 2014 abortion rates, about one in four (24%) women will have an abortion by age 45."
Source link.
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To be fair there was a little spike recently, but ya..I don't wanna get involved in this discussion.😅



www.guttmacher.org

Despite Bans, Number of Abortions in the United States Increased in 2023

www.guttmacher.org www.guttmacher.org
 
Brian86 said:
Even if abortions went 10x, the numbers are still not even close. 65% versus under 2%.
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Yeah without wanting to involve, I also think abortions instead of the pill and condoms is a "bit" over the top.
 
Hawk256 said:
I can't believe you would use the name Trump and organzied in the same sentence. Chaos I buy with Tump I buy, orgainzed anything not so much.
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He did say organzied which is more believable for Trump / Tump lol
Or even orgainzed
 
snpark said:
Religion or religious motives (forgot the word) beliefs should not be part of the constitution

Just because some Catholics disagree on it doesn't mean abortion should be banned for the whole country
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That idea would have been truer in the 1980's when the only significant group in the US opposed to abortion was Catholics.
Two things have happened since then. There are more Catholics as a share of the population, and more importantly a whole lot of Protestants went from ambivalent or apathetic about abortion to strongly opposed.
 
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Brian86 said:
I can't tell anymore if your ignorance is enormous, or you are genuinely arguing in bad faith. This is so far from correct that you should either be laughed out of the 'building' or escorted out. And attempting to appear factual with your "check the numbers" comment. So, show me those number then!
  • ">99% of sexually experienced U.S. women aged 15–44 have used at least one contraceptive method as of 2008."
  • "Among sexually active women who were not seeking pregnancy, 88% were using a contraceptive method in 2016, and this proportion has remained steady since 2002"
  • "In 2018, 65% of U.S. women aged 15–49 were using a contraceptive method."
Source link.

  • "The abortion rate in 2017 was 13.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44, down 8% from 14.6 per 1,000 in 2014. This is the lowest rate ever observed in the United States; in 1973, the year abortion became legal, the rate was 16.3."
  • "At 2014 abortion rates, about one in four (24%) women will have an abortion by age 45."
Source link.
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I guess it's just that enormous. Tell me how you see these figures and come to another conclusion. Other than financial (which could be argued is still unwanted) here are the health, rape and incest numbers. Explain to me what I missed. The majority of abortions are done as birth control. Spin it how you want.

In 2021, there was roughly one abortion for every five newborn children in the US.

usafacts.org

How many abortions occur in the US? | USAFacts

In 2021, there was roughly one abortion for every five newborn children in the US.
usafacts.org usafacts.org

www.usatoday.com

Rape and incest account for hardly any abortions. So why are they now a focus?

Just 1% of women obtain an abortion because they became pregnant through rape, and less than 0.5% do so because of incest.
www.usatoday.com

www.medicalnewstoday.com

The reasons for abortion: Statistics, safety, and access

There are many reasons for abortion, ranging from serious health risks and family planning to financial concerns. Learn more here.
www.medicalnewstoday.com www.medicalnewstoday.com
 
Brian86 said:
Those are not at all the same thing.
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Then I made an error in the wording of my first statment. I think you well knew the intent and what point I was trying to make. I stand by the second statement in full which was the intent of my first one.
 
The morning after pill or "pill" is not abortion

Afaik that stops a foetus being created

Abortion is actually terminating the foetus at like 3 months etc. Which is usually when a woman finds out she accidentally got pregnant.

You can even be on the pill (or use condoms) and still get pregnant. So then what? You find out after 2 months you are pregnant. But you don't want a baby. The condom split. The pill didn't work.

So you terminate. But now SCOTUS says not so fast. Pro-life. Until it's born anyway.

Then send it to school where it will probably get shot with an AK47
 
Hawk256 said:
Then I made an error in the wording of my first statment. I think you well knew the intent and what point I was trying to make. I stand by the second statement in full which was the intent of my first one.
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Are you going to use your first amendment?
Or call a friend
 
This a subject, that should be more in the hands of Women to decide! All these old Men and Women trying to control younger Women, that may be Poor, Abused, Beaten, Raped, is an outrage! The older people don't want to take, and raise these unwanted children! This World is far too overcrowded, already! I say give the Women of the World, more control with this Subject! We shouldn't be forcing overpopulation, due to Archaic Religious beliefs! It is a crime to force Women to give birth, and bring these unwanted children, into a world of Poverty, Hunger, Abuse, lack of Education!
 
Shadrach said:
This a subject, that should be more in the hands of Women to decide! All these old Men and Women trying to control younger Women, that may be Poor, Abused, Beaten, Raped, is an outrage! The older people don't want to take, and raise these unwanted children! This World is far too overcrowded, already! I say give the Women of the World, more control with this Subject! We shouldn't be forcing overpopulation, due to Archaic Religious beliefs! It is a crime to force Women to give birth, and bring these unwanted children, into a world of Poverty, Hunger, Abuse, lack of Education!
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Calm down....given power to women is a VERY BAD idea, see Von Der Leyen ....
Concerning abortion, birth control, etc in the US : hopeless, they are a bunch of religious bigots with a Middle Age mentality !
 
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