The Various Court Cases Against Donald Trump

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I know this thread will probably derail pretty fast but Iam interested in people's opinion about it anyway. Given the newest events that the court found Donald Trump guilty in the so called "hush money" trial.

Do y'all think all of the cases against Trump are justified or do you think it's kind of a witch hunt (not my words) and other ex-presidents haven't been or would not be persecuted that strictly and rigorously?

Or is it somewhere in between? Just curious about what people think.
 
I think Trump is guilty as charged, he could be the first ex-president to sit in jail.
Iam a bit behind and unsure with the timeline, that's why I find this topic kinda interesting. Out of pure curiosity, haven't these cases all been known before his first presidency? If so why did it take until know, it feels like since he announced his new candidacy, to bring them up?
Before someone jumps at me, Iam not that deep into the subject. Just from the outside and looking at tihe timing it seems a bit like a political move ...well, at least partly. I could be wrong though, like I said Iam not totally sure about all the details. And of course that doesn't mean he isn't guilty or something, that's not what I wanna say .
 
The first convicted felon elected for a president. Orange is the new black.
I don't think there is any chance of that. Watching social media there are post after post of his support and how he will get the presidency because of it. Looking at the posters they are all the same people who have always been maga. What you will first notice on Twitter is that twitter has put some kind of priority on these maga post because you get an endless supply of them. Still, same people with multiple postings.

Hey, trump has his cult and there will be no changes to that. It is still a minor percentage of overall voters so no reason to celebrate. They are claiming he just raised 50 million because of the rulling. No proof of that yet but even so, everyone knows most never gets to the campaign itself.

The US Judicial system worked just as it was supposed to work. 13 individuals who all agreed with each other. A judge that put up with a lot to reach a trial conclusion. A dependent that if anyone else would have been jailed the first time he opened his mouth.

Let's face it. Trump has sailed above the law his whole life. Now, things are catching up to him. He got a grace period by running in 2016 and then through his time in office. He might have even stayed above the law if he didn't piss off all those because of Jan 6. Then the ideot steals Classified documents and obstructed those who wanted them back. That was just a stupid move on his part and I hope whenever it does hit the courts they lock him up forever.

This hush money case will probably see no jail time. NY history on these types of cases for 1st offenders is mostly probation up to a few months. Probably a fine too. He could actually face 4 years max for each count but NY caps it at 20 years. He will appeal and will probably lose that. An appeal wouldn't be decided until after the election. Personally I doubt he gets jail time but would like him to be handed over, processed, and spend a couple days in jail. When he finally gets prison, I vote for Leavenworth. No need for SS. They have the US Marines.
 
He should have known running for or being President he would get examined

Oh look guess what. The witch hunt found some witches. Lots of them.

However trivial it may seem, he has broken the law and committed crimes and has been found guilty.

By a jury of 12 peers that his team helped assemble and even the other cases his own team and staff testify against him with evidence in courts run by his own judges.

How can he complain? Can you imagine any one else being found in contempt a dozen times and still not spending 5 mins in a cell
 
Iam a bit behind and unsure with the timeline, that's why I find this topic kinda interesting. Out of pure curiosity, haven't these cases all been known before his first presidency? If so why did it take until know, it feels like since he announced his new candidacy, to bring them up?
Before someone jumps at me, Iam not that deep into the subject. Just from the outside and looking at tihe timing it seems a bit like a political move ...well, at least partly. I could be wrong though, like I said Iam not totally sure about all the details. And of course that doesn't mean he isn't guilty or something, that's not what I wanna say .

I think for this topic best to read up before you comment tbh
 
Anyway, even convicted, even in jail he can still run for president.

Convinction or jail time doesn't make you non-eligible.


 
Sure, he can run but it doesn't say he would be released to serve. He could attempt that self pardon he so readily throws out there but I doubt anyone would find that legitimate. If a State case, nothing he could do for himself.
 
It just shows corruption at it's finest! He has his fingers in so many pockets, he has a teflon coating! If any normal person did a fraction of the crimes he did, they would be in prison already! If he becomes President, America, and the World, are in for a lot of trouble!
 
I think for this topic best to read up before you comment tbh
Yeah, Iam at it. That's why I don't jump to any conclusions, just was asking a few questions. Since as always when it's about Trump, there are so many things to read that go in various directions .😅
 
It seems like many people with wealth, much of Trump's wealth had accumulated with a considerable range of cutting corners and providing whatever figures are thought needed to get additional loans. He would feel bitter knowing how many others have profited using the same ends justifies the means approach to financial management and they have got away with it which is partially why he refers to it all as an unfair witch hunt. The term witch hunt also has a lot political value confirming for so many of his supporters that he is being hard done by. His other slogan "making America great again" resonates with many Americans who believe that it is wishy washy leftists who have led America to be seen as less than great. I have read one analysis which suggests Trump may lose the votes of many older, conservative Republican supporters. However sharp Biden may be he looks a bit doddery so this outcome may not be enough to get Biden back over the line. Interesting times.
 
It's nowhere near over at this point. He was chaged with crimes that were meant to be used in cases like Enron and required a second crime that did not need to be proven. They had to do a lot dancing around to get the charges to fit. Some legal experts agree that there is a really good chance to win this in an appeal. Also of mention, the main attoney that actual mislabeled the expenses was not called to testify on record and had said off record that the payee was a lawyer so he filed it under legal. Seems like an important point. The following are not my words but word for thought.

The novel legal strategy taken by the district attorney in this case may also provide grounds for appeal.
Falsifying business records can be a lower-level misdemeanour in New York, but Trump faced more serious felony charges because of a supposed second crime - an illegal attempt to influence the 2016 election.
Prosecutors broadly alleged that violations of federal and state election laws, along with tax fraud, applied to this case. But they did not specify to the jury exactly which one was broken.
Legal experts say there are questions around the scope and application of the federal law, which could form a basis for appeal. Never before has a state prosecutor invoked an uncharged federal crime, and there’s a question if the Manhattan District Attorney had the jurisdiction to do so.
 
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It was actually for electoral interference not for hush money etc

That was how it started, he falsified accounts to pay someone to keep quiet during election
 
It was actually for electoral interference not for hush money etc

That was how it started, he falsified accounts to pay someone to keep quiet during election
Not worth getting into senanitcs about a Trump case but it is a lot more complicated than that. If it was that simple we wouldn't be where we were. Quite a few witnesses not called to the stand that were key players. You have to ask yourself why? I'm not a fan of Trump but I will say that his legal charges are always somewhat questionable in their scope. They wouldn't have dusted off a law this convoluted to charge him with if there were no reason.
 
But they did and 12 jurors found him guilty of all 34 charges within 12 hours
 
No arguing with that point. I said years ago that there was no way he would not be convicted of some crime if he tried to run for president again.
If he is found guilty, then why is he walking a free man? 34 charges?
 
It's nowhere near over at this point. He was chaged with crimes that were meant to be used in cases like Enron and required a second crime that did not need to be proven. They had to do a lot dancing around to get the charges to fit. Some legal experts agree that there is a really good chance to win this in an appeal. Also of mention, the main attoney that actual mislabeled the expenses was not called to testify on record and had said off record that the payee was a lawyer so he filed it under legal. Seems like an important point. The following are not my words but word for thought.

The novel legal strategy taken by the district attorney in this case may also provide grounds for appeal.
Falsifying business records can be a lower-level misdemeanour in New York, but Trump faced more serious felony charges because of a supposed second crime - an illegal attempt to influence the 2016 election.
Prosecutors broadly alleged that violations of federal and state election laws, along with tax fraud, applied to this case. But they did not specify to the jury exactly which one was broken.
Legal experts say there are questions around the scope and application of the federal law, which could form a basis for appeal. Never before has a state prosecutor invoked an uncharged federal crime, and there’s a question if the Manhattan District Attorney had the jurisdiction to do so.
The outcome in not important. Important is to attach"convicted felon" at least until campaign ends.

Polls show he loses 6% if he is convicted fellon,that is what Democrats are aiming for. However this drop could be only temporary only, or backfire if he is perceived a victim.
 

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