Indonesia & Corruption: a few articles in the past few weeks

[snpark]

So what does the word in the middle really mean?

Don't know if you joking or not but it means how that country is perceived to be corrupt or not, not that it actually is

I mean in Arabic there is a word "wasta" which is like "hadiah" Hadiah is a gift, Arabs often bring gifts to my meetings, evenn just kurma or bakhoor or a gallon of Zamzam etc etc

But wasta is like official bribe money, basically paying for fast track service wink wink

 

[Balifrog]

"money is the most important thing in life" does not necessary mean corruption. It just means pure or exaggerated materialism.

And getting it by any means....

 

[pantaiema]

A bunch of international groups/institutions try to measure global corruption. Beside the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI), there are others such as the World Justice Project (WJP) Rule of Law Index, the OECD Public Integrity Indicators (OECD PIIs), the Global Corruption Barometer (GCB), and the Financial Secrecy Index (FSI).

When come to measuring domestic public-sector corruption (bribery, judicial integrity, administrative red tape), e.g corruption within the country, Singapore & Hongkong Ranks as one of the cleanest nations on Earth if you use CPI & WJP. Indonesia is one of the most corrupt countries based on this measure. I believe those who have been living in Indonesia long enough, will agree with this.

However when come to Financial Secrecy & Offshore Abuse (FSI) Singapore & Hong Kong rank among the worst. Indonesia is much cleaner/better. Many people who have seen how the corruption in Indonesia happen could see it why. Unlike Singapore, Hong Kong, the Indonesian conglomerates do not operate a massive global offshore, international financial business hub network. They rely on preferential treatment, protection, plundering the country asset, natural resources which could only work effectively within the countries. Also the collusion between the legislative, executive and judicial power which is hardly found in other countries, is not uncommon in Indonesia.

When come to the household name and the benchmark of macro level corruption the CPI is widely accepted and quoted. But just like big metrics in economics, development or poverty, it also gets its fair share of legitimate criticisms.

Here’s the thing: since corruption happens under the table, it's super hard to measure let alone to quantify it with hard numbers. That’s why broad tools like the CPI end up leaning heavily on expert vibes and perceptions. Since it launched back in 1995 as the first major public index to actually rank countries on corruption, it had a massive head start, which is a big reason it's still the most famous one today.

 

[Balifrog]

since corruption happens under the table, it's super hard to measure let alone to quantify it with hard numbers

Based on my personal experience having worked / lived there several years :

- Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam : VERY corrupt at every level.

- South Korea : Corrupt, but mainly at high level. Just see the list of presidents jailed for it. Same for P.M.

Five former South Korean presidents have been sent to jail following their time in office.

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• • Chun Doo-hwan (served 1980–1988): Convicted of mutiny, treason, and corruption; initially sentenced to death in 1996, later commuted to life imprisonment and pardoned.
  • Roh Tae-woo(served 1988–1993): Convicted on similar treason and corruption charges and sentenced to 22 years in prison, later pardoned
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  • Park Geun-hye d 2013–2016): Impeached and convicted on multiple counts of abuse of power, coercion, and bribery; sentenced to over 20 years in prison, later pardoned.
    
    
  • Lee Myung-bak (served 2008–2013): Convicted of embezzlement and bribery and sentenced to 17 years in prison, later pardoned.
  - Hong Kong : Corruption present mainly in the business world. Not always in cash, but often in gifts or what I call "facilitations" or a "helping hand" for promotion, inciting to sell property, hiring or "replacing" somebody "difficult" by a more "flexible" person.
  
  
  
  I have seen an Italian engineer, going by the books, and hence a obstacle for the smooth working of the "Chinese way" being pushed out by his Chinese superior on demand of "X". The superior being rewarded by "X" with a 6 months old Rang Rover Sport.
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[Balifrog]

Another example of HKG's corruption involving politicians, triads and police :

The event you are referring to is the 2019 Yuen Long attack, which took place on July 21, 2019, at the Yuen Long MTR station in Hong Kong. During this incident, a armed mob of over 100 men dressed in white T-shirts indiscriminately assaulted pro-democracy protesters and regular commuters with metal rods and wooden poles, leaving at least 45 people injured. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Key Details of the Attack

• • The Perpetrators: The attackers were widely suspected and later confirmed by police to have deep ties to local triad organized crime syndicates, specifically groups like the 14K and Wo Shing Wo. [1, 2]
  • The Targets: Armed with batons and sticks, the mob targeted individuals dressed in black (the signature color of the 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests) who were returning from a rally, as well as bystanders, journalists, and a lawmaker. [1, 2, 3]
  • The Scene: Attackers stormed the station concourse, breached closed entrances, and even entered stopped train carriages to beat trapped passengers. [1, 2]

The Aftermath & Controversy

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• • Delayed Police Response: The Hong Kong Police Force faced immense criticism for taking nearly an hour to respond to emergency calls. This triggered severe public backlash and allegations of collusion between law enforcement and triad gangs, though police officials strongly denied these claims. [1, 2, 3]
  • Legal Convictions: Dozens of individuals have since been arrested. In the years following, the Hong Kong District Court has convicted multiple white-shirted attackers for rioting and wounding, handing down prison sentences ranging up to seven years. Conversely, several pro-democracy figures who were present at the scene, including former lawmaker Lam Cheuk-ting, were also later charged and convicted of rioting by the government. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  
  
  

  2019 Yuen Long attack - Wikipedia

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[pantaiema]

Those who against the death penalty for heavy corruption in Indonesia, especially those international NGOs who do not understand the reality in the ground for the country like Indonesia; They should watch this real episode happen in Baturiti, Tabanan, Bali. This is not an isolated incident. Similar cases have occurred multiple times across Indonesia, where people have been subjected to severe punishment, often killed by the mob for stealing relatively low-value items such as chickens, motorcycles, or other petty property.

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Chicken thief killed by mob, his little daughter cries hysterically when father's body arrives at funeral home.
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This is not to justify a thief, but compare that with the case of Deputy Chief of the State Prosecutor Febrie Adriansyah who were detained for Corruption and Money Laundry allegation. It was reported nearly half a trillion rupiah of cash and 74 kg of gold bars, were found in the properties linked to him, yet he was not even handcuffed and wear the orange detainee vest during his arrest. Eager to watch the next episode of this orchestrated drama.

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The father (KD) of this little girl was almost certainly the family's breadwinner and may have resorted to stealing simply to provide for his family's basic needs. In contrast, the children of people such as Febrie Ardiansyah (If convicted) or other major corruption suspects in Indonesia may inherit enough wealth to support several generations.

It is also not uncommon for those convicted of large-scale corruption to serve only a fraction of their prison sentences, sometimes as little as one-third. There have also been longstanding public concerns that some well-connected inmates receive preferential treatment, allowing them to spend much of their sentence under conditions that are far less restrictive such as spent on their own home, than those faced by ordinary prisoners.

Unlike many developing countries, Indonesia is richly endowed with natural resources, including oil and gas, minerals, forests, marine resources, and vast areas of fertile agricultural land. It is the large-scale corruption has deprived many Indonesians of the benefits of this wealth. As a result, people like KD, the father of this little girl, may feel driven to steal simply to provide for their family's basic needs, with some ultimately becoming victims of mob.

Is this justice ????

As is often the case when corruption or major criminal cases unfold in Indonesia, common people can end up becoming the victims.

The latest development in the Febrie Ardiansyah case is particularly disturbing. His household helper has reportedly died under circumstances that have raised questions about whether the death was truly natural or whether the person may have been murdered.

If the allegations are proven to be true, this could be highly significant. The household helper may have been a potentially important witness because he reportedly had access to and knowledge of the daily activities at the house where trillions of rupiah in cash and 74 kg of gold bars were allegedly found.

The death of someone who could potentially provide information about what happened inside that house naturally raises serious questions.

This news has reportedly been circulating for about a week in the newspaper, yet there are still many unanswered questions. This is just one of many example

If this was not a natural death, who benefits from the death of a potential witness? And what did this person know?