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I own four guns, I carry one daily and leave a pistol at home with my wife, she did the required training so she knows the drill. To me, it's just a tool to use in certain situations, a Wuhan China flu crisis would rank among them.
What I find surprising is that liberal LA is rabidly anti-gun and it's kind of hypocritical that they're buying guns when they so fervently discouraged others from doing so.
 

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First generation Asian immigrants typically didn’t grow up with guns, and they were raised in societies where guns are only owned by the police, military, and criminals. You can say there’s a psychological stigma attached to guns, so most of these folks don’t actively seek firearms unless they feel threatened.

There’s enough hypocrisy to go around. Conservatives are supposedly anti socialism, until the government sends them $1200 in the mail for doing nothing.
 

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As with farmers... maximize your profits.... socialize your losses.
 

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First generation Asian immigrants typically didn’t grow up with guns, and they were raised in societies where guns are only owned by the police, military, and criminals.
Notable exception being the Philippines and filipinos.
 

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Notable exception being the Philippines and filipinos.
Singaporeans and South Koreans can be exceptions too, since all their men are conscripted and have to serve in the military for a year or two. They’re familiar with military firearms, but the guys don’t normally have access to them as civilians.
 

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Singaporeans and South Koreans can be exceptions too, since all their men are conscripted and have to serve in the military for a year or two. They’re familiar with military firearms, but the guys don’t normally have access to them as civilians.
Nor would you say that they are raised with them. for many conscription is the first time they handle and fire a weapon.
 

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I have a Red Rider BB gun in the garage to encourage the deer to finish munching on the flowers and exit the back yard. Does that count?
 

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Singaporeans and South Koreans can be exceptions too,
I don't think they are. The Philippines are very different in that matter. Much closer to what the US are.
Filipinos can carry guns by law as long as they are licensed and you have almost 2 million license owners in the country.
I spent some time in the Philippines two decades+ ago and it came as a shock for me to see the father of my then girlfriend carrying a gun in his bakery shop which also had a private security guard with a machine gun (or whatever it is called) at the entrance! A bakery shop FFS! :oops:
 

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I don't think they are. The Philippines are very different in that matter. Much closer to what the US are.
Filipinos can carry guns by law as long as they are licensed and you have almost 2 million license owners in the country.
I spent some time in the Philippines two decades+ ago and it came as a shock for me to see the father of my then girlfriend carrying a gun in his bakery shop which also had a private security guard with a machine gun (or whatever it is called) at the entrance! A bakery shop FFS! :oops:
Interesting. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s influenced by USA. The Philippines was a U.S. territory after all.
 

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Interesting. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s influenced by USA. The Philippines was a U.S. territory after all.
It is undoubtedly influenced by their historical links to the US and by the huge filipino community who have migrated to the US and still keep tight relations with their native country..
 

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No golf courses within BB gun range, but now that the ground is thawed and soft, gophers and moles are a serious problem. Poison worms and trip-spring ground penetrating spikes are more effective.
 

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No golf courses within BB gun range, but now that the ground is thawed and soft, gophers and moles are a serious problem. Poison worms and trip-spring ground penetrating spikes are more effective.
Poison corn that is available in farm and home stores does a good job.
 

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I was there in May 98. Even though I’m not Chinese, I wished I had a real gun.

When there’s no rule of law, you have no option but to take the law into your own hands.
I too was in Jakarta in May 98 and had zero desire to possess a real gun. Caucasian-looking foreigners were not major targets at that time. I bajaj-ed, walked and took a taxi through riots and looting from South Jakarta to Central Jakarta to West Jakarta and back. On May 13-14 itself, rioters around Roxy (Jl Hasyim Ashari) and Jl Gajah Mada were quite gleeful. It was an atmosphere of excited, frenzied mayhem. Looters were taking things to extremes, stripping shops bare, then even taking empty shelves. Suddenly, every other low-income family or warung seemed to have a new TV, while kids were selling looted laptops at traffic lights. Most of the approx 1,200 fatalities were looters, trapped inside malls that were set alight to create maximum chaos. There were also the military provocateurs, inciting the rape and murder of ethnic Chinese females in parts of West and North Jakarta. I felt more afraid of the soldiers at that time, than I did of the unarmed idiot looters. Many smiled at me, shouting hello mister and proudly displayed their freshly looted goods. Obviously, it wasn't a good time to look Chinese (in addition to local ethnic Chinese, some Koreans and Japanese were attacked). What if I had owned a gun at that time and pointed it at the shrieking mobs? Incitement for them to attack me. The atmosphere was extremely tense around Kedoya and Grogol, especially when just the soldiers and the short-haired men in military boots and civvies were on the street on May 13, before most of the mass looting and fires started. It was safe for a white-looking Westerner to walk through the unfolding devastation. Some days later, I was in a taxi at a traffic light in Kebayoran Baru one night, when a couple of youths smashed one of the back windows and demanded my money. The driver and I both told them off, as we were shocked and the boys weren't armed. Different story if they had had guns. Later that year, and the following year, I was again more scared of the military and police, which had taken to randomly murdering students and other innocent civilians in response to demands that the military/police lose their free seats in the national parliament. It was around this time that Wiranto, Habibie, Hamzah Haz and some senior police (Nugroho Djajoesman) funded the creation of the Islamic Defenders Front (FPI) to use religious extremism to combat civilian protesters. In return, the FPI got to run protection rackets, but rarely attacked foreigners. Previously, Tommy Suharto had funded Islamic militants to counter pro-democracy protesters in July 1996. This situation also saw the rise of Betawi protection racket groups -- which exist to this day and will still take money from crooked politicians and security officials to do their dirty work (see the anti-Ahok protests). Next was the Ambon/Maluku violence, triggered partly by long-simmering religious tensions that came to the boil after Suharto fell and exacerbated by generals (deploying the Laskar Jihad forces) aiming to destabilize then-president Gus Dur. Anyway, the idea of owning a gun for self-defense in Jakarta is stupid. If everyone were able to get a gun "just for self defense" then the incidence of gun crimes would soar. If/when coronavirus-19 leads to mass unemployment, food shortages, triggering social jealousy and desperate hunger, easily incited into riots for nefarious political purposes, would I feel safer with a gun? No. I don't expect a murderous mob to arrive at my doorstep. Rich communities pay for military/police protection of their neighborhoods. It's possible that satpams could be overwhelmed or flee if a massive mob arrives, but it's more likely that angry mobs could be led to lower-income enclaves of ethnic Chinese. Alas.
 

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