That would be great but it's not on the horizon. So the question still remains.
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I knew Pizza Hut was a classy joint!I was referring to the local people. They don't have a clue about international cuisine unless they work at a classy reastaurant!
That's my perception also. My question was more to see why the line was drawn at 15. Or maybe it was a typo.
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No mate, they are waiting for you to show them the international cuisine.I was referring to the local people. They don't have a clue about international cuisine unless they work at a classy reastaurant!
Local people come in many shape and forms -poor, rich, middle classs, and in Bali they all have access to everything for everybody's budget.
You can make jokes but Bali is always in top something islands in the world despite garbage and overcrowding. Competition is fierce in the F&B sector, with excelent chefs, cooks, both foreign and locals. I have not eaten burger or pizza in Bali that is bad, while I got poisoned in Koi Kemang.Hah, and what small village is this international cuisine in? Bangli?
Actually Made's warung has excellent pizza. And you can find pizza in Bangli as well.
Educational issue comes to this thread as some people in this thread have suggested that the main reason trash ends up in rivers and roadsides is because people lack basic education. They argue that because they see their own trash is collected regularly and they pay for that service, those who dump waste irresponsibly must be lacking of basic education.
However, as I mentioned earlier, while a lack of education and awareness may play a role, it doesn’t seem to be the root cause. Take rubbish in the public markets, for example (Post #32) Waste is dumped in the designated spots, yet it’s left to rot because it’s not collected regularly.
There’s also evidence that large-scale dumping is happening on an industrial level, not just by individual households (post #46). So, is this really due to lack of basic education, or are these people trying to cut costs, save fuel, time, or money?
I also shared a previous post where a ‘Banjar’ refused to collect rubbish from certain residents because they hadn’t paid enough towards 'ogoh-ogoh' where they ask minimum of one million rupiah.
My main argument is that many people might be dumping rubbish illegally simply because they feel they have no other option, it is less to do with basic education or awareness. Even when collection points exist nearby, service is inconsistent. In post #37, a spokesperson from the local authority even acknowledged this issue.
As for the point about education, basic education for children is indeed mandatory in Indonesia, as stated in Law UU_No_20_2003 on the National Education System. Tuition at state schools for children are officially free. However, like in other countries, free tuition, basic education for children, doesn’t cover everything, parents still have to pay for uniforms, stationeries, etc. And some parents in Indonesia spend millions, even hundreds of millions of rupiah a year in tuition fees for their children simply because they opt for private or National Plus School.
In Indonesia, if certain state schools are still unlawfully charging extra fees, the teachers does not turn up in the class even they are shamelessly collecting their civil servant salaries regularly, that's a different matter. Nevertheless, there are indeed state schools that offer completely free tuition fee without any illegal charges. A clear example can be found in government funded schools located in remote villages, where the majority of parents work as farmers or fishermen.
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Indeed, it may not seem like a solution is in sight. But isn’t that often the case with major societal issues? At first, solutions appear distant or even impossible. However, once these problems gain public attention and go viral, they are often addressed, at least temporarily or begin to improve over time. Corruption in Indonesia remains a significant problem, but to some extents there has been a gradual improvement. One clear indicator of this is the improvement when compared to the Suharto era.
We have seen many serious issues around the world get resolved, or at least mitigated, once becomes public outcry, government then get embarrassed forces them to act. A good example from Indonesia is the trafficking of Indonesian workers to countries like Myanmar and Cambodia, where they were forced into criminal activities and, in some cases, subjected to torture and even organ trafficking. It seemed unimaginable, yet after the issue went viral, the Indonesian government stepped in and took action to rescue them. About rubbish collection, just refer to Post #37 where the local government at least act temporally after the case was exposed to public and they got embarrassed by this fact.
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The school issue has been well and widely known for more than a few decades. How much progress has been made?
The trafficking to Myanmar and Cambodia is more recent.
Here’s a question, what could schools do to raise needed funds considering help isn’t available from the government?
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John Madden . I live at Grajagan Pantai/Beach . I stopped surfing here years ago due to constant infections from the filth in the water . Houehold rubbish , sewerage , waste from fishing boats , rubbish dumped in rivers , streams that washes into the main river then the ocean with every rain . We have a regular , twice weekly rubbish collection that all gets dumped and burnt along the side of the road into town , the stench is choking . I wouldn't eat a thing out of the river here with all the filth that goes into it yet all the weekend visitors swim in amongst the rubbish as if it's not there !!!
Underfunding has always been a persistent issue, not just in Indonesia but globally. This problem is deeply rooted in human nature, the tendency to never feel satisfied and to constantly strive for more. Also, in Indonesia some times people keep shouting about limited funding availability, but they mysteriously find money to fund free school meals for school children which cost about Rp280T a year.
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When it comes to salary, teachers and headmasters in state-funded schools in Indonesia are not necessarily underpaid compared to other civil servant roles or even many teachers in private schools. This is evident from the high number of applicants for civil servant teaching positions, despite the limited number of jobs. Additionally, the pay scale for other Indonesian civil servants reflects this competitive salary of these civil servant teachers & headmasters. There is nothing to prevent them to move to private schools, but why you hardly ever see this story ?
Where salaries can vary significantly in some cases higher, but in others, could be much lower. It is important to note that private schools in Indonesia can charge anywhere from a few million to hundreds of millions of rupiah per year. However, since they are privately run, they must provided their own building and facilities, cover their own operational costs, including staff salaries and facility maintenance, with very minimum state subsidy. Also many teachers in private schools get paid much lower than their civil servants counter part. Many of them are getting paid below minimum wage as low as low as Rp2m. Depending on their teaching hours some of them are even getting less than that. https://www.linovhr.com/gaji-guru-swasta/
Many private schools don't have the flexibility to raise tuition fees easily, as doing so could make education unaffordable for parents or lead to a loss of student enrolment. It is the teachers in certain private schools like this who are in need of support, not those in the state schools employed as civil servants; while happily maintaining their civil servants teacher profession they keep complaining not getting paid enough, illegally collecting money from parents.
When you see garbage piling up and rotting by the roadside in your neighbourhood, roads in very bad conditions, full of potholes, and state schools with broken desks, chairs, and buildings, often without enough furniture for the children, one strategy is to find a way to get the minister or president to visit the area, or at least pass through it. Chances are, things will get fixed quickly before their visit. Local authorities usually fear being scrutinised, especially when it comes to explaining how they’ve spent the central government funding, local taxations and any money they've collected through questionable means. Alternatively, make it viral in the social media until it gets attentions.
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I find that amount of money towards school lunches unbelievable. Someone along the way is pocketing money, before it goes towards the kids. Just look at what a lunch here in Indonesia would be. Mostly white rice, a little meat, sauce, and vegetable, maybe 1 piece of fruit! A small bottle of water? I'm sure the schools are underfunded. Because look how the kids coming out don't even know basic Mathematics! History, global geography, language, etc! The teachers need more training first!Underfunding has always been a persistent issue, not just in Indonesia but globally. This problem is deeply rooted in human nature, the tendency to never feel satisfied and to constantly strive for more. Also, in Indonesia some times people keep shouting about limited funding availability, but they mysteriously find money to fund free school meals for school children which cost about Rp280T a year.
Rp 71 Trillion Short, Free Meal Program Will Drain Rp 140 Trillion Budget for July-December 2025Rp 71 Triliun Kurang, Program Makan Bergizi Gratis Bakal Sedot Anggaran Rp 140 Triliun untuk Juli-Desember 2025
Anggaran Rp 71 triliun untuk program Makan Bergizi Gratis tahun ini bakalan kurang. Zulhas bilang perlu tambahan anggaran sebesar Rp 140 triliun lagi.www.tempo.co
When it comes to salary, teachers and headmasters in state-funded schools in Indonesia are not necessarily underpaid compared to other civil servant roles or even many teachers in private schools. This is evident from the high number of applicants for civil servant teaching positions, despite the limited number of jobs. Additionally, the pay scale for other Indonesian civil servants reflects this competitive salary of these civil servant teachers & headmasters. There is nothing to prevent them to move to private schools, but why you hardly ever see this story ?
Where salaries can vary significantly in some cases higher, but in others, could be much lower. It is important to note that private schools in Indonesia can charge anywhere from a few million to hundreds of millions of rupiah per year. However, since they are privately run, they must provided their own building and facilities, cover their own operational costs, including staff salaries and facility maintenance, with very minimum state subsidy. Also many teachers in private schools get paid much lower than their civil servants counter part. Many of them are getting paid below minimum wage as low as low as Rp2m. Depending on their teaching hours some of them are even getting less than that. https://www.linovhr.com/gaji-guru-swasta/
Many private schools don't have the flexibility to raise tuition fees easily, as doing so could make education unaffordable for parents or lead to a loss of student enrolment. It is the teachers in certain private schools like this who are in need of support, not those in the state schools employed as civil servants; while happily maintaining their civil servants teacher profession they keep complaining not getting paid enough, illegally collecting money from parents.
When you see garbage piling up and rotting by the roadside in your neighbourhood, roads in very bad conditions, full of potholes, and state schools with broken desks, chairs, and buildings, often without enough furniture for the children, one strategy is to find a way to get the minister or president to visit the area, or at least pass through it. Chances are, things will get fixed quickly before their visit. Local authorities usually fear being scrutinised, especially when it comes to explaining how they’ve spent the central government funding, local taxations and any money they've collected through questionable means. Alternatively, make it viral in the social media until it gets attentions.
I'm amazed by the young people I meet at this clinic I stay. They are all coming from a Japanese University to work here free for 3 months as apprentices! They don't know any English, or Japanese, and can barely check blood pressure. They don't have any individual thinking, but act like clones all from the same mold! They are unbelievably shy, if you fart, they jump out of their skin! What kind of work are going to do in Japan? I wonder?
And if the teachers are so underpaid in private schools, then why don't they quit? And the local Mosque,Temples, Government officials already know about the situation. They only care about money in their own pockets! (Stupid is, as Stupid Does!) They don't care about the Mountains of rubbish, as long as it's not in their backyard! Make the Plastic Corporations pay to clean it up, and tax the hell out of them to sell the plastic!
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That was a screenshot from an online assessment that one of my children was working on. The entire assessment was a joke...What that assessment real? The English was terrible, and the question didn't make any sense. This question was from a Teacher? If so, it's no wonder students lack any knowledge!
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I can't find the source for my post at the moment; sorry. I believe that the age of 15 years is used because the Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) looks at how well 15-year-old students are prepared for life.
This webpage provides an overview of the pathetic Indonesian "educational system".
Apparently more education policy changes are on the way...
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wow! You're out of touch with the cultural revolution! School curriculum in formerly majority White nations teach students that White settlers were racist slaveholders and killers who destroyed the peaceful and saintly indigenous people... and the environment... White = bad / Non-White = victim.
It's called the woke revolution....
May it die ASAP.
