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[pantaiema]

In 2023 only ~40 percent of Indonesians aged 15 years and above had completed senior high school.

Indo has a HUGE number of adults with only a primary school education.

(I'm not criticizing those poor people, nor do I know the circumstances surrounding the lack of education)


high literacy rates?? I'd love to see the assessment items that determined that.

Indonesian schools are consistently ranked in the bottom 20% of the world. TEACHERS HERE ARE HORRIBLE...the poor students!! What kind of future will they have with such a system?

I'll attach screen shot taken from an online assessment developed/written by a (supposedly) well-respected school in West Java. I can assure you that this question was typical of the assessment...my kids and I didn't know whether to howl with laughter or bang our heads on the wall at such rubbish.View attachment 4818

It is statistical evidence, it is entirely different with an individual observation. Statistical evidence is derived from aggregated data, often representing trends or patterns in a population, while individual observation is anecdotal and not necessarily representative.

Also keep in mind your perception about literacy might be different with the national standard. For many, literacy is about be able to read and write.

Regarding the mandatory six years of elementary school, followed by three years each of middle and high school as outlined in the Law UU_No_20_2003, it is true that a reasonable number of adults still haven't completed this level of education. However, that's a separate issue, and I’ve already mentioned one possible reason for it in an earlier post. That said, have you personally come across anyone who can't count to ten, as someone in this thread has claimed? How many of them have you found can not read, write watch educational program on the TV including the impact of illegal dumping and flooding?

For the same compelling reason, even though people have seen the consequences of illegal dumping through the news, television, like flooding and disease in their communities, they may continue to do it simply because they lack any clear or accessible alternative.

Also if people see piles of garbage on the streets, rivers they pass by every day, while their own waste get collected regularly, they do not like it. I get that

 

[serious_fun]

For many, literacy is about be able to read and write.

umm...that's pretty much the standard definition.

You're correct that my perception may be different; a "high rate of literacy" is not the same thing as being able to think critically, to analyse data, to follow the rules of the road , etc. That's why I'd like to see the assessment tools or methods used to determine such a high percentage of Indonesians as being 'literate'.

96% literacy rate alongside such low levels of education???? No way.

 

[pantaiema]

The question remains.

The message is clear, simply put the pressure on, holding the local government accountable, not ordinary people. The funds, tax should be used to improve regular waste collection services and build recycling centres, not to boost officials' own salaries.

 

[Shadrach]

The message is clear, simply put the pressure on, holding the local government accountable, not ordinary people. The funds, tax should be used to improve regular waste collection services and build recycling centres, not to boost officials' own salaries.

Yea, but who is going to tell the High Sheriff not to do this?

 

[pantaiema]

Yea, but who is going to tell the High Sheriff not to do this?

This could be as simple as bringing public and media attention to the issue, much like what the individuals in videos #21 and #32 are doing.

It's not about labelling people as retarded, illiterate who can't even count to ten. Those who dump their trash on roadsides or in rivers and avoid getting caught might actually be doing so strategically as they are doing it under the cover of night when fewer people are around to witness or report them. And in many cases, they simply may not have a better option.

 

[pantaiema]

These activities are being carried out on an industrial scale, not just by individual households, individual house waste. Is the motivation behind it a lack of education, or are they trying to save on fuel, money and time?

Why would they continue doing this if there was a recycling or waste processing centre nearby that would allow them to dispose their waste.

The private contractors you pay to collect your rubbish regularly might actually be doing the same things with these guys, without your knowledge.

 

[john madden]

Missus village is Bangorejo.
Grajagan Beach (I think) is where they go now and then for a day at the beach or fishing.

Our home desa is Bulurejo, between Bango and Purwo. Sibling in Tegal Dlimo on the way to Grajagan. I've wet a line (without result) in the estuary there.

 

[Bob]

This sounds so nice, but Hey, just open your eyes and look around. You will see children that already are moving up year after year in school but can't even count to TEN! And are already in the fifth grade! This should not be allowed! Where is the accountability of the teachers and administrators? Without a proper education, what type of work are they going to be able to do? Push a broom all day, clean rooms, pump petrol, grow rice, sit at a market stall and sell a bungkus?
In these Modern times, where almost everyone has a Smartphone, there is no excuse for such ignorance!

Do you think you can properly grow rice if you can't count to ten?

 

[Bob]

In 2023 only ~40 percent of Indonesians aged 15 years and above had completed senior high school.

Indo has a HUGE number of adults with only a primary school education.

(I'm not criticizing those poor people, nor do I know the circumstances surrounding the lack of education)


high literacy rates?? I'd love to see the assessment items that determined that.

Indonesian schools are consistently ranked in the bottom 20% of the world. TEACHERS HERE ARE HORRIBLE...the poor students!! What kind of future will they have with such a system?

I'll attach screen shot taken from an online assessment developed/written by a (supposedly) well-respected school in West Java. I can assure you that this question was typical of the assessment...my kids and I didn't know whether to howl with laughter or bang our heads on the wall at such rubbish.View attachment 4818

At what age do Indonesians who complete their courses graduate from SMA? In the US most students do at 17 or 18.

 

[fastpitch17]

At what age do Indonesians who complete their courses graduate from SMA? In the US most students do at 17 or 18.

About the same here.

 

[Balifrog]

Do you think you can properly grow rice if you can't count to ten?

The Missus son has "upgraded" from being a daily worker in the field or construction site to work for a guy who is putting in "fake"(?) ceilings. A bit more upscale, less dirty and better pay.
But he will never be able to be an independant in that field, he is completely unable to take measurements and calculate the lenght or m2 of material needed for a job.

Most of the young people (under 30), waiter or waitress I have met in Bali here are completely unable to make basic additions by head.
Like 3 whiskies at 80k
+ 1 coke at 17k + 1 chicken nuggets at 20k.
And forget about geography or history....

 

[fastpitch17]

Tuition at state schools is officially free. Although teachers and principals, as civil servants, receive their salaries from the government and the school facilities are funded by the state, some public schools still impose additional charges on parents. However, this is a separate issue that needs to be addressed.

Just because it is officially free doesn't mean there is no cost to attend. Primary school has a cost for uniforms at a minimum and school supplies, Middle School have a fee of 3 to 4 juta before being accepted. No transparency as to where those funds go. Add cost for uniforms of which some have a different one for each day of the week, school supplies, and regular fund raising for school activities. High schools will require a 4 to 6 juta fee before you are accepted. Again, no transparency. Uniforms to fit the different one for each day, some with a monthly fee also, school supplies, cost for school activities. Some even require participation in paying for gifts for teachers birthdays.

Now, tell me how education is free. Want to know why so many end their education early? Simply because the poorer families can't afford these added cost. Some can get their kids into a Islamic based low cost school but still, there are cost. Indonesia's education system has all the designs and ignored corruption to make sure poor families can not get their kids educated. Many a great mind loses out on developing it just because they live in a kampung that is lower classed.

As for literacy test. Any middle schooler can grade well in those. No high school required. Remember, the literacy test are produced by those teaching the kids.

If you are concerned about the kids not getting an education, do something. Get involved. Go sponsor a couple of the brighter kids by covering their cost to be educated in a public school. Not only will you be contributing to a better educated child, you will be contributing to a better educated future of a nation.

Same goes for your condemnation of all the problems with your trash. You like to whine and complain and bitch about everything but really, tell us what you have contributed to remedy the problem? Like it or not you are now part of a community in Indonesia. Act like it. Get off your fat ass and do something. Your fingers must be tired by now of all the time you spend typing. Want to help? Sponsor a couple kids SMP through SMA. Teach. Visit classes studying about something you know well. Besides whining. Trust me, you'll feel better.

 

[fastpitch17]

The Missus son has "upgraded" from being a daily worker in the field or construction site to work for a guy who is putting in "fake"(?) ceilings. A bit more upscale, less dirty and better pay.
But he will never be able to be an independant in that field, he is completely unable to take measurements and calculate the lenght or m2 of material needed for a job.

Most of the young people (under 30), waiter or waitress I have met in Bali here are completely unable to make basic additions by head.
Like 3 whiskies at 80k
+ 1 coke at 17k + 1 chicken nuggets at 20k.
And forget about geography or history....

Easy to see the problems by just watching a cashier make change even when the amount is in the receipt.

Ask someone directions and you never know where you might end up.

Government doesn't want them to know history unless it fits into their nationalistic education.

 

[Shadrach]

Easy to see the problems by just watching a cashier make change even when the amount is in the receipt.

Ask someone directions and you never know where you might end up.

Government doesn't want them to know history unless it fits into their nationalistic education.

If the student doesn't learn the year's teachings in Mathematics, then they should not be allowed to advance to the next grade! Plain and simple. After another year, the same! Allowing these students to advance upward every year without learning basic Mathematics, will only hurt them, and the country. A major problem here in this country is people are not encouraged to think independently! For example, try to introduce a new type of food, say Sauerkraut, Pickles, Kim Chee, or Thai food, to a person here in Bali, and they will say, We don't eat that here! As if the entire group of People here are all the same!
And as far as I know, most Governments in the World, only allow the History being taught to be what the Current Administration wants the People to know. Example = America, and Australia teaches that the White European settlers were welcomed into the countries, and lived in Harmony with the Indigenous People already there? I don't know what is being taught here about the Suharto Presidency? I do know Educating the young people, is the future for the country, so it should be done well and be the No. 1 priority!

 

[centurion]

Most of the young people (under 30), waiter or waitress I have met in Bali here are completely unable to make basic additions by head.
Like 3 whiskies at 80k
+ 1 coke at 17k + 1 chicken nuggets at 20k.
And forget about geography or history....

That is why they are waiters and not stockbrokers.

 

[centurion]

If the student doesn't learn the year's teachings in Mathematics, then they should not be allowed to advance to the next grade! Plain and simple. After another year, the same! Allowing these students to advance upward every year without learning basic Mathematics, will only hurt them, and the country. A major problem here in this country is people are not encouraged to think independently! For example, try to introduce a new type of food, say Sauerkraut, Pickles, Kim Chee, or Thai food, to a person here in Bali, and they will say, We don't eat that here! As if the entire group of People here are all the same!

Bali has the best international cuisine in whole Indonesia, nonsense argument.

 

[centurion]

Easy to see the problems by just watching a cashier make change even when the amount is in the receipt.

Ask someone directions and you never know where you might end up.

Government doesn't want them to know history unless it fits into their nationalistic education.

If they know too much they will complain too much. Elites sending their kids to elite schools, and that is enough for running the country.

 

[Bob]

The Missus son has "upgraded" from being a daily worker in the field or construction site to work for a guy who is putting in "fake"(?) ceilings. A bit more upscale, less dirty and better pay.
But he will never be able to be an independant in that field, he is completely unable to take measurements and calculate the lenght or m2 of material needed for a job.

Most of the young people (under 30), waiter or waitress I have met in Bali here are completely unable to make basic additions by head.
Like 3 whiskies at 80k
+ 1 coke at 17k + 1 chicken nuggets at 20k.
And forget about geography or history....

That's pretty sad. Somewhat surprisingly I encountered a lot of the same in Singapore. Figuring a bill or making change without a calculator is magic to many.

 

[Bob]

Bali has the best international quisine in whole Indonesia, nonsense argument.

Do the locals eat it though? They do in Jakarta.

 

[Shadrach]

Bali has the best international quisine in whole Indonesia, nonsense argument.

Bali has the best international quisine in whole Indonesia, nonsense argument.

I was referring to the local people. They don't have a clue about international cuisine unless they work at a classy reastaurant!