Election fraud

[MamangDudul]

Lo siento no hablo Espanol. Pero comprende bastante

You should only worry if your GF speaks 10 languages lol

I guess that's true.

 

[MamangDudul]

Lo siento no hablo Espanol. Pero comprende bastante

You should only worry if your GF speaks 10 languages lol

Maybe something like that..in 10 different languages

 

[atlantis]

Very insightful @atlantis So if they already received 100,000 from one candidate and then the opposition offers them 150,000, what do they do? Turn it down? Take both and vote for the 150 candidate?

Sorry for the late answer @Brian86,

Most of us come from old democracies and have a form of political consciousness, a form of political identity. In this we may be very different from many people here. We define ourselves as being from Left, Right, the Center or the extremes, we like or dislike capitalism, liberalism, socialism...etc.

Here it is very different. Indonesian political parties differ very little on party policy or ideology. Basically. the only major difference is on how Islam should play a role in public affairs, with two different type of parties, the nationalist one or the religious one. No Right, Left or Center. So for the voters there is little risk to vote for someone with ideas very opposite of what they think/believe in.

For the Presidential elections many people here had a Champ way before Election Day, many people were Prabowo, were Banjar or Anies. But for the DPR or DPR-D it was very different and most had no idea who they would be voting for, and perhaps more importantly they didn't really give a toss about it. This is why money could so easily buy votes, and in fact was necessary to help people to decide who to vote for at the DPR/DPD/DPR-D level.

If the Tim Sukses have lobbied the voters long before, the distribution of money and/or subsidies occurred just in the very last few days/hours. This made it easier for parties to control the voters and their vote. The parties minions distributed money and subsidies but often also registered KTPs of recipients and were definitely welcoming their “supporters” at the TPS which in itself was a form of intimidation and probably limiting the risk of a last minute change of mind.

On Saturday one of my kid work with us since he doesn’t attend College He is sharing my office space and seat in front of me at the moment. I have asked him casually “did you receive money from any political party for the last Election”. Answer with no surprise: “Yes, of course”. Me, digging: “How much?”. Him: “250K”. Me:

Apparently, he has been approached by cronies of three different parties for the DPR and DPR-D election and choose to take the money of the one he already decided to vote for anyway.

Honestly, I never realized it before I talked to my son a few minutes ago but it obviously makes sense: Political parties may have had different "packages" depending on who/what social background their target was. I guess that 100K only wouldn’t gain much attention from a well off kid, at the difference of any of my staff or PRT.

I need to talk to my wife and ask her how much she got (and ask for my share).

 

[jstar]

Hmm, not so sure about that O. Especially in your neck of the woods there are families where one is ‘born’ into a political party. Think Golkar for instance. The same applies to other parts of the country with PDI-P for instance. The loyalty is definitely there. Of course young kids often rebel and want to choose their own way.

 

[harryopal1]

Another element but no idea as to how significant it is, it seems many quite well educated people here had no interest in the election as they are disillusioned about the likely results whichever party comes through.

 

[atlantis]

Hmm, not so sure about that O. Especially in your neck of the woods there are families where one is ‘born’ into a political party. Think Golkar for instance. The same applies to other parts of the country with PDI-P for instance. The loyalty is definitely there. Of course young kids often rebel and want to choose their own way.

People who are "born" into a political party are part of the elite and are very far from being a majority or even a strong minority. They are also often the old generation, particularly the Golkar colored one if I may say.

Even though Golkar remains a strong political force at the national level, being now the second political force behind PDI-P in number of seats at the DPR, it has lost most of its influence and power here in Sulut. Golkar had 4 seats at the first post-Soeharto PiLeg DPR SulUt, slipped to 2 at the second legislature post Soeharto, then to only 1 for the last legislature and will get 1 again for the coming one.
Golkar in SulUt only barely survive at the DPR-D level and even there, hasn't win more than 1 seat per Daerah Pemilihan for the past 2 legislatures. They will get only 6 seat out of 45 for the coming one,

What is interesting in my region is that despite a sizeable increase of our Muslim community, mainly due to the recent settlement of immigrants from other provinces attracted by higher salaries, it did NOT translate in a shift of balance in the seats won by Nationalist parties vs Religious parties. It's in fact even the contrary which happened. For the first two legislature post-Soeharto we had 1 seat won by the PPP. For the subsequent 2 we had 1 seat for PAN and since 2019, none (again none in 2024).

PDI-P has been the strong party here in Sulut for the past decade+ and we massively voted for PDI-P candidates both for PilPres and Pileg DPR... In 2019 in Sulut, the ticket Joko-Ma'ruf Amin, supported by PDI-P, managed to get 3,5 times more suara dan Prabowo-Uno. But in 2024 Prabowo the candidate of Koalisi Indonesia Maju got almost 5 more times suara than Ganjar, the PDI-P candidate. So much for loyalty to a party here.

At the National level, in 2019 the PDI-P candidates (Joko) got elected with some 89 millions of votes while in 2024 the PDI-P candidate (Ganjar) barely managed 27 millions voters
In 2019 Prabowo gathered 68 millions voters, in 2024 he convinced 96 million voters.
It is due to the lack of political awareness, the lack of political identity and the lack of political loyalty from voters that so many millions of votes can shift from one man to another so easily.
It is also rich that Prabowo, who was recurrently mocked by many (including me) for failing several times to win the heart of Indonesian for a Presidential election is now the President who has received the highest number of vote ever in an Election in Indonesian history. In this he has surpassed Joko, the precedent record holder, by more than 10 million voters.

In a lot of Daerah Pemilihan in SulUt interesting shifts of balance have occurred, perhaps indicating too that political loyalty is definitely something flexible.

 

[atlantis]

Another element but no idea as to how significant it is, it seems many quite well educated people here had not interest in the election as they are disillusioned about the likely results whichever party comes through.

The only educated people I know who have an interest in the election results are... kontraktor. Wonder why...

 

[MamangDudul]

Another element but no idea as to how significant it is, it seems many quite well educated people here had no interest in the election as they are disillusioned about the likely results whichever party comes through.

Rightfully so in many countries these days, just my humble opinion.

 

[snpark]

I think you should visit the official website for the right information.

which is ?