DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

[nd_eric_77]

Rapid Test Jabar, Ridwan Kamil Sebut 300 Orang Positif Corona

Rapid Test tersebut dilakukan dalam sepekan terakhir di 27 kabupaten dan kota di Jawa Barat.

m.cnnindonesia.com

So how does this fit into everything? The way I understand it is that 22.000 tests were done and out of that came 300 cases of infection. But they havent been officially acknowledged as cases as they do a second test, the swab one, before they can be confirmed?

Given the false negative rate of the "rapid response tests", using them at all seems like an exercise in futility at best, and a public health danger at worst.

 

[Euc-]

Given the false negative rate of the "rapid response tests", using them at all seems like an exercise in futility at best, and a public health danger at worst.

I think thats too strong of a statement, especially considering countries like Korea who have basically flattened the curve by using these on a massive scale. Spain got faulty testkits, there are better ones on the market. And even for the accuracy issues, there are no other real alternatives, thats why they use this as first step and then the swab test to confirm.

What is an addition to my previous message however is that this is an antobodies test, it therefore should mean that those 300 people do not necessarily have the virus right now, but could have had it in the last few weeks and gotten better already.

 

[waarmstrong]

I think that's the test for me, as I need something to convince those in authority that I am OK to board my flight to Jakarta.

 

[fastpitch17]

It was just reported in the Lampung news that a group of people that died in West Lampung did not die of the coronavirus. The ALL died due to shortness of breath. Are they really trying that hard to cover this up? Are they really that stupid to not know that that the coronavirus leads to lungs filling with fluids thus causing a very severe shortness of breath. A prime example of no testing or that they want to make sure they get buried in family plots.

 

[atlantis]

that they want to make sure they get buried in family plots.

This will undoubtedly become an issue in Indonesia, especially among the less educated who may not understand the issue at stake. Not being able to honor and bury their loved one may push them to silly decisions.

 

[rabbit_39]

On tests, I would think:

• a broad test that may provide false negatives but definitely identifies the positives is needed for people who don't have any symptoms and/or not suspected of having the virus
• a specific test that may provide false positives but definitely identifies the negatives is needed for those who are suspected of having the virus and/or have symptoms

 

[Vanhelsing]

It was just reported in the Lampung news that a group of people that died in West Lampung did not die of the coronavirus. The ALL died due to shortness of breath. Are they really trying that hard to cover this up? Are they really that stupid to not know that that the coronavirus leads to lungs filling with fluids thus causing a very severe shortness of breath. A prime example of no testing or that they want to make sure they get buried in family plots.

This is just the beginning of the ridiculousness, deceit and stupidity.

 

[dafluff]

In a worst-case scenario, the city may be looking at the possibility of handling up to 8,000 COVID-19-positive cases, Jakarta Military Command chief Maj. Gen. Eko Margiyono estimated.

“Based on a simulation [discussed in a meeting] of Jakarta’s Forkopimda [Leadership Communications Forum], the worst-case scenario may give us between 6,000 and 8,000 positive cases in the city,” Eko said in a press conference last week.

They think the worst case scenario for Jakarta is 8,000 cases...I don't even know what to say...

COVID-19: Jakarta not ready to face worst-case scenario: Experts - City - The Jakarta Post

Home to more than 10 million people, Indonesia’s capital is already the epicenter of the COVID-19 outbreak in the country, but it may have to deal with a sixfold increase in infections that experts say the city administration would not be ready to handle.

www.thejakartapost.com

 

[fastpitch17]

We have officially 8 positive cases and one confirmed death. Sounds good but since there isn't any testing, there were 64 suspected cases and for some reason if any of those die, it has to be from the underlying problems because hey, not confirmed coronavirus.

 

[centurion]

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/s...n-arrivals-transits-to-curb-further-spread-of


Foreigners, source of all evil in Indonesia.

 

[atlantis]

We have officially 8 positive cases and one confirmed death. Sounds good but since there isn't any testing, there were 64 suspected cases and for some reason if any of those die, it has to be from the underlying problems because hey, not confirmed coronavirus.

We have the same situation here. Pasien 58 was our first positive case in Manado. The poor guy apparently recovered and got tested negative twice. He then died 4 hours after the second test, officially from kidney failure.

 

[fastpitch17]

We have the same situation here. Pasien 58 was our first positive case in Manado. The poor guy apparently recovered and got tested negative twice. He then died 4 hours after the second test, officially from kidney failure.

I believe this problem exist nationwide. Hard to wrap your head around the way the government has approached this. LG is donating 50,000 test kits from S Korea. Bet they never leave the Jakarta area. I can see hundreds if thousands of deaths in Indonesia in the next couple of months. If course, the way things are being reported, the majority will not have been tested so they may have become suspected cases and in the end, cause of death will be whatever underlying problem they may have had.

If the government is going to stay their current course they need to lock down the nation. This may be the only was to stop the spread. With the current thoughts in the Central Government, this will never happen and now they have taken that option away from Regencies and Districts. The only thing the National Emergency policy accomplishes is protection for the government, not the people. They think it is going to stop riots and protest. If people feel they are being ignored or just forgotten it the government does nothing for them, they will riot and protest. They may even loot and cause destruction of businesses and then private homes. These people have mob mentalities and are easily swayed to follow. It could get very ugly if the government doesn't act in the populations favor soon.

 

[Tupai Hitam]

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/s...n-arrivals-transits-to-curb-further-spread-of


Foreigners, source of all evil in Indonesia.

It is slightly disturbing, to see how the local media and international media have framed/headlined this story. The correct headline should be that "Indonesia to Temporarily Suspend All New Foreign Arrivals", as the foreign minister has said ITAS and ITAP holders will be exempt. (Not that many foreign residents of Indonesia are presently jetting abroad for quick trips and then coming back to Indonesia.) Still, the headlines reinforce the narrative that foreigners are the cause and are to blame. However, that's all pretty trivial compared to the imminent suffering of the needy who might not be able to access the upcoming social safety net benefits.

 

[Nimbus]

They think the worst case scenario for Jakarta is 8,000 cases...I don't even know what to say...

COVID-19: Jakarta not ready to face worst-case scenario: Experts - City - The Jakarta Post

Home to more than 10 million people, Indonesia’s capital is already the epicenter of the COVID-19 outbreak in the country, but it may have to deal with a sixfold increase in infections that experts say the city administration would not be ready to handle.

www.thejakartapost.com

Worst case scenario for a city of 11 million is 8000 cases? Based on what? Positive thoughts and prayers?

 

[harryopal1]

Of course it makes sense to put in place whatever measures are possible to slow the spread of
Covid 19 even including this incredible level of spraying while not really knowing how effective it is and if effective how long any benefit might be. The main value of all this is any delay in spread might ease pressure on over stretched health services But basically it really doesn't seem possible to contain the virus. And the most rational expert advice I have seen indicates that it is impossible to say that somehow the virus will just fade away and everything will be okay in twelve months time. And the notion that a vaccine is just around the corner is wishful thinking.

It seems that 80% of most infected people will recover without treatment but may be at a risk to others for 8 to 10 days.

The testing processes are less than reliable. Most tests across a spectrum of health concerns have false positive results and false negative results. Cases are documented of people having three negative tests results for Corona and then being found positive after the fourth test. And with many countries still struggling to get enough test kits it becomes nigh impossible to know who has had Corona or a simple flu.

We are having to process enormous economic impact on world economies so again, the notion of returning to some normality is not realistic. One great irony is for western countries, and this is certainly so in Australia, old conservative notions about limiting social support are being seen as totally inadequate. Six months ago the Australian conservative government was looking at legislating a 3 month waiting period for unemployed young people before they would be eligible for benefits. Now, this same government is rushing through a great swathe of measures providing cash for people who have lost jobs and others who are in urgent need of assistance. The penny has dropped... we are all in this together.

Final outcome of all this might be that governments and societies will stop thinking of unemployed and poor people as a burden on societies and think more in terms of overall social well being and us all being members of the human family

 

[nd_eric_77]

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...-social-restrictions.html?src=mostviewed&pg=/
The above is an uninformative & lazy article... Uninformative because the title says that Jokowi has imposed large scale social restrictions... but never tells exactly what those restrictions are. Lazy because it is basically a minimally edited Google Translation of an equally uninformative Kompas article.

 

[Euc-]

It is slightly disturbing, to see how the local media and international media have framed/headlined this story. The correct headline should be that "Indonesia to Temporarily Suspend All New Foreign Arrivals", as the foreign minister has said ITAS and ITAP holders will be exempt. (Not that many foreign residents of Indonesia are presently jetting abroad for quick trips and then coming back to Indonesia.) Still, the headlines reinforce the narrative that foreigners are the cause and are to blame. However, that's all pretty trivial compared to the imminent suffering of the needy who might not be able to access the upcoming social safety net benefits.

Exempt, BUT:

(1) Pelarangan sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 2
dikecualikan terhadap:
a. Orang Asing pemegang Izin Tinggal Terbatas dan Izin
Tinggal Tetap;
b. Orang Asing pemegang Visa Diplomatik dan Visa
Dinas;
c. Orang Asing pemegang Izin Tinggal Diplomatik dan
Izin Tinggal Dinas;
d. Tenaga bantuan dan dukungan medis, pangan dan
alasan kemanusiaan;
e. Awak alat angkut; dan
f. Orang Asing yang akan bekerja pada proyek
strategis nasional.
(2) Orang Asing sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) dapat
masuk Wilayah Indonesia setelah memenuhi persyaratan:
a. surat keterangan sehat dalam bahasa inggris dari
otoritas kesehatan di masing-masing negara;
b. telah berada 14 (empat belas) hari di wilayah/negara
yang bebas virus Covid-19;
c. pernyataan bersedia masuk karantina selama 14
(empat belas) hari yang dilaksanakan oleh
pemerintah Republik Indonesia.


If they follow this its not possible for us to enter, as we must have been for 14 days in a corona free country prior to entry, and then subject ourselves to a 14 day government quarantine. No thanks.

 

[Euc-]

Full regulation for those interested.

 

[dafluff]

it is basically a minimally edited Google Translation of an equally uninformative Kompas article.

That's basically JakPost's business model.

 

[make_batik_great_again]

This website shows the numbers: https://covid19.kemkes.go.id/
still showing less than 2500 tests.

That website claims that 6,663 tests have been performed. Does someone know if this is the official number of the government or how is this number derived?