Discussion about expat salaries and perks as English teacher in Indonesia

[Pak Tani]

To put the Rp33 juta a bit in a perspective (from Kompas):

The highest group is the upper class where they are the most prosperous economically. The level of per capita expenditure is relatively high, namely more than IDR 6 million per person per month.

 

[Samoerai]

To put the Rp33 juta a bit in a perspective (from Kompas):

We already discussed the middle class in another thread. As I remember the wages of the middle class ranges from 6 juta (lower middle class) up to 45 juta (upper middle class).

Post in thread 'What is the reality of having helpers in Indonesian households?' https://www.expatindo.org/community...pers-in-indonesian-households.7378/post-98752

 

[snpark]

Easy to find Western food in Jakarta of not bad quality and price - even on Grab you can order from Excelsio coffee shop a nice grilled dory with fettucini and lemon butter sauce for 80rb

Also one in rolled oats with salad and roast potato for around 80 also

Just examples, there are some surprising good dishes from unlikely sources
A few of the chinese takeaway style places in lotte you can get 4 or 5 dishes delivered hot for under 200rb total ok not exactly western but whats western? fish and chips? curry?

 

[Balifrog]

ok not exactly western but whats western? fish and chips? curry?

This :

Well, at least for a French.
The cost of aperitif and wine is usually higher than the food itself....

 

[Balifrog]

I love certain posts in this tread.....
Made by the people who call out the "penniless old Bali retirees"..

Or what was the expression used ?

 

[pantaiema]

Recently I just found out that if you want to send a child (18 years old) to university (let's say UI), the tuition fees for a bachelor's degree total about 110 juta. So kos-kosan and other expenses are not included. That is why parents, who can afford to spend this kind of money, choose to send their children to universities in places like Singapore. Almost the same cost.

This could be the non-subsidized route at the state university or private university. The regular subsidized route typically wouldn't be this expensive. The non-subsidized route is usually for students who don't pass the entrance exam but can afford the higher non subsidised fees. Currently, about 50% of students admitted to state universities in Indonesia enter through the non-subsidized route. University staff favour this route because the funds are collected locally and managed directly by the university.

Unlike those at private universities, administrative staff, lecturers, and lab technicians at state universities in Indonesia are civil servants, receiving their salaries from the government. Additionally, the government funds the facilities and buildings. The money collected through the non-subsidized route is actually intended for development. However, in the past, there have been many instances where this money was distributed among the staff and management, with very little being used for actual development.

 

[snpark]

I would never put French food in with Western tbh
It's a bit above that

 

[snpark]

 

[pantaiema]

When comparing salaries, people should consider the salary levels within the same country. Conversely, people should also be asking about the wages expatriates are giving their helpers and nannies. Are these wages comparable to those in Western countries?

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You can also easily see this in job advertisements. Many English teaching jobs are posted on Dave's ESL Cafe, where you can readily observe these figures.

People with higher qualification such as Assistant Professor, Asc. Professor, Professors teaching at the university in Indonesia are earning less than IDR15m

 

[Balifrog]

I would never put French food in with Western tbh
It's a bit above that

Well, I agree, but I don't want to sound too arrogant...
But it's sure way above fish and chips....

 

[Balifrog]

People may also be curious about the wages expatriates are giving their helpers and nannies. Are these wages comparable to those in Western countries?

Well, are their skills comparable ?
Will my "cook" be able to cook proper traditionnal French food ?
Will the nannie be able to take care and basic educate (table manners, toilet...) my kid in the Western style ?
Do they speak proper English, or my home language ?

 

[centurion]

I would never put French food in with Western tbh
It's a bit above that

Dutch and English food are outliers-the worst quisine in the West.

 

[centurion]

When comparing salaries, people should consider the salary levels within the same country. Conversely, people should also be asking about the wages expatriates are giving their helpers and nannies. Are these wages comparable to those in Western countries?

If they have to pay western salaries they would clean and cook by themselves.

 

[Balifrog]

Dutch and English food are outliers-the worst quisine in the West.

English food has improved dramatically compared to the 70's !

 

[harryopal1]

Everything changes. Immediate post war there were a few top but very expensive restaurants in Melbourne with most eating places offering a very narrow range in their menus with steak and eggs, eggs and chips being high on most lists. The only variation was that of Chinese cafes which were found in almost every suburb. These days Melbourne has 3500 restaurants with 70 different nationalities offering a pretty diverse range of food. Whatever may be the narrow tastes of the average English person, London has a spectacular variety of cuisines. I wonder how many nationalities are represented with eating places in Bali? And I daresay there would be many with wages above average when it comes to getting good cooks.

 

[snpark]

Yes we talking basic food not fine dining

Asian food ok deduct the rice what is left. Meat in a sauce
Seafood? Sashimi can be 25rb a piece or 1jt
Sushi Tei to Nobu Patagonian Dogfish ooops sorry "black cod" lol

Steamed stir fry veggies can get 4 or 5 persons in a mall even for 30-50rb each

Just saying there are some hidden gems.

When I'm not trolling here I sometimes randomly go through grab food examining menus and restaurants add putting in a basket so next time it's already there and I can save time.

I still can't see the point of going to Alto 4 seasons Italian and paying 1jt for pasta and noodles etc.
Fish. Meat. Maybe. If it's superb
But for 1/4 the price some mall outlets can be good kwalateee

Just gotta know
Ok back to teachers

 

[jstar]

Also in the US you pay a lot for an (overrated) Italian restaurant. And the prices for steakhouses are exorbitant right now.

Just as it is short-sighted to refer to western food, it is ridiculous to refer to Asian food. Those people have not been anywhere or living in their own bubble.

 

[jstar]

And talking about the difference with your ‘home land’, @MamangDudul is completely right of course that you can do more here on a budget, I’d even say over here it simply is cheaper. I’m not talking about Philippines or India now, but for the countries from the ‘approved’ list. And yes, you will have to skip the strawberries imported from Japan or South Korea, pralines from Belgium, Nutella on your bread, imported leek, …

An example of what some consider high dining: If you would be so crazy to have a spaghetti at Alto, even there your would not pay more than $20 (excl.) for a simple spaghetti, while a comparable restaurant in NYC would easily charge $30 (excl.). A lot depends on the booze and wine; if you don’t drink life could be very cheap here. And then I’m not talking K5 or warung.

 

[Balifrog]

. A lot depends on the booze and wine; if you don’t drink life could be very cheap here.

Correct !
Having usually 1 aperitif (65 k) and 2 glasses of wine (each 70k) sometimes if I just have a main course the drink bill will be higher than the food.
But hey, I am not gonna eat a Boeuf Bourguignon or salmon with a Coca Cola.....

 

[centurion]

English food has improved dramatically compared to the 70's !

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