Customs Officials in KPK Crosshairs

[Helpful Herbert]

It's below the minimum wage, so no. But even if the basic is 6, various allowances they get would increase it much higher

 

[jstar]

Minimum wage

You can not compare the system here with western countries. It‘s really for laborers in medium and large companies, micro companies etc. are excluded. And as @Helpful Herbert states, for government officials there are (other) compensation schemes.

Mayors in the DKI for instance, get quite a lot of money for expenses, which they can use for miscellaneous purposes. The expense compensation is based on the taxes that province/regency collects. The bigger the better. Now if you add this to the base, it puts them on the same salary level as VP’s in larger western companies (excl. bonus of course). But that’s for the DKI, in rural areas it’s much less.

This guy Esha Rahmanshah Abrar, works as an Employee of the Ministry of State Secretariat Gol 3C, He is head of a Subsection. The salary of 3C class civil servants is between Rp 2,802,300 and Rp 4,602,400. Let’s say he will end up with 10 juta net or so, that obviously is not enough to afford such a lifestyle.
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[jstar]

for government officials there are (other) compensation schemes

Translation of regional regulation for government employees (PNS):

The salary components of civil servants are: Basic salary, Family Allowance, Position Allowance/Certain Functional Allowance/General Functional Allowance, Rice Allowance and PPh Allowance Article 21.

The basic salary amount has been determined in the salary table, adjusted to the work process and the group. For example, a Civil Servant Group III/a with a working period of 7 years, the amount of basic salary is 2,696,200. For Civil Servants Group III/b with a working period of 12 years, the amount of basic salary according to the salary table is 3,84.200.

Family Allowance, for civil servants who are married, husband/wife allowance and child allowance (maximum 2 children) whose amount is 10% and 2% of the basic salary, respectively.

Position/structural allowances are given to civil servants who head an organizational unit or lead a work unit. The amount of job allowance for Echelon 4A is 540,000, Echelon 3B 980,000, Echelon 3A 1,260,000 and Echelon 2B 2,025,000 and so on.

Certain Functional Allowances are given to a group of positions that contain functions and tasks related to functional services based on certain skills and skills (there are 42 types of functional positions), for example, education personnel, health workers, archivist and others. The amount of allowance is different for each position, distinguished based on expertise and expertise, and given based on the appointment decision of the authorized official. For example, for teachers with group IV, the amount of allowance is 389,000.00, for nurses the amount of allowance is 850,000.00.

General Functional Allowance is given to civil servants who do not receive position/structural allowances or certain functional allowances. The amount of allowances for groups I, II, III and IV are 175,000, 180,000, 185,000, and 190,000 respectively.

Rice allowance is given to officials and their families in the form of money as much as 10 kg/person, and the price of rice is currently set at 7,242.00 per kilogram. For a husband/wife and 2 children, the amount of the rice allowance is 289,680.00 (4 souls x 10 x 7,242.00).

Tax deduction…. etc.

 

[pantaiema]

You think it comes as a surprise to them?
Also im obviously against corruption but how can a mid level government employee only have a salary of 4 juta per month? The system is broken

It's below the minimum wage, so no. But even if the basic is 6, various allowances they get would increase it much higher

Yes, I agree .. with salaries that low, it opens the door for corruption. Yet, I doubt this employees salary would be 4 juta. That cannot be right?

IDR 4m is only the basic salary. Civil servants in Indonesia officially have multiple allowances as part of their official incomes. So it is difficult to compare with other countries without taking this into consideration.

This is just one example of the official salary of the civil servant e.g Vice Chancellor / Chancellor in Indonesia in a state university in Indonesia.

Gaji Rektor di Indonesia, Ini Besaran Nominalnya - Dunia Dosen

Gaji rektor di suatu perguruan tinggi besarannya ditentukan dari beberapa faktor. Ini besaran nominal rata-rata gaji yang diterimanya.

www.duniadosen.com

Basic salary: IDR 4.4 million.
General civil servant benefits (total): IDR 2 million.
Honor allowance : IDR 4.4 million.
Additional allowance due to Professorship: IDR 5.5 million.
Professional allowance (certification): IDR 4.4 million.
So while basic salary is IDR 4.4 million, their official salary they legally receive will be IDR 20.7 million. Apart from this there are also various small allowances but if it is combined could be meaningful. Example of that is suit/clothing allowance, travel allowances (different with the reimbursement of the travel cost), etc.

In Addition to this, like in other countries the Indonesian civil servants have a very good guaranteed pension schemes. This is by far more superior compared to their counterpart in private sector pensions which the employers hardly ever contibute to their own employees pension pot.

This is average salary in Indonesia per Sector of business from Indonesian own statistical bureau:

Badan Pusat Statistik

Website Badan Pusat Statistik.

www.bps.go.id

Yes the system is broken but keep in mind the current government inherited the system from accumulation of problem from the former governments. As previously mentioned during Suharto Regime Indonesia was either the Most Corrupt Country in the world or among the top ten most corrupt countries in the world. The current government / president have revealed so many corruptions / grafts cases and put people in jail more than all former Indonesian presidents combined.

Indonesia will need an iron fist president that rule for multiple terms who himself is not corrupt to change this corrupt mentality, to eradicate this pandemic. A good example in south East Asia is the former Malaysian President Mahathir Muhammad.

Another one that hinder Indonesian development is religious extremism.

 

[snpark]

Despite their claims nobody these days becomes a politician to help others
It's purely to get rich line their own pockets

Even kids don't want to be musicians. They want to be pop stars. Celebrities. Not a talent.
Just get rich and be famous.
Don't fall for the Taylor Swift nonsense.
Worth hundreds of millions. Too cheap to buy her back catalogue herself
So cries about it

Then rerecords every song and begs her fans to buy them all again since she owns the masters and thus can now make double the money again.

And like Trumps lemmings they do what she says. And now paying $300 a ticket to watch her "live" for 2 hours from 150m away with 50,000 other people lol
One born every minute

Like the famous people doing a gofundme for funeral or medical expenses here hahahaha

 

[R Cameron]

Despite their claims nobody these days becomes a politician to help others
It's purely to get rich line their own pockets

Even kids don't want to be musicians. They want to be pop stars. Celebrities. Not a talent.
Just get rich and be famous.
Don't fall for the Taylor Swift nonsense.
Worth hundreds of millions. Too cheap to buy her back catalogue herself
So cries about it

Then rerecords every song and begs her fans to buy them all again since she owns the masters and thus can now make double the money again.

And like Trumps lemmings they do what she says. And now paying $300 a ticket to watch her "live" for 2 hours from 150m away with 50,000 other people lol
One born every minute

Like the famous people doing a gofundme for funeral or medical expenses here hahahaha

Wow Taylor Swift really struck a nerve with you, huh? Discussing corrupt politicians committing crimes and stealing public funds, and that leads your mind to ... Taylor Swift??

 

[Samoerai]

Wow Taylor Swift really struck a nerve with you, huh? Discussing corrupt politicians committing crimes and stealing public funds, and that leads your mind to ... Taylor Swift??

Every people gets the leaders (or the government) it deserves,” comes from a French counter-revolutionary named Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821). With his 'Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite', he argued that the inhabitants of a country are ultimately jointly responsible for the deeds and misdeeds of the leaders they themselves have put on their shields.

 

[ChrisTex]

Get rich or die tryin'-50 Cents

 

[Ruserious]

A good example in south East Asia is the former Malaysian President Mahathir Muhammad.

Really? I thought he was synonymous with corruption and croynism with a heavy dose of racism too.
The better eaxample would be Lee Kuan Yew.

 

[pantaiema]

Really? I thought he was synonymous with corruption and croynism with a heavy dose of racism too.
The better example would be Lee Kuan Yew.

Lee Kuan Yew is one of the example of good prominent SE leaders but he has never faced a challenge with Corruption, where corruption is a pandemic, rooted like sub-culture among their citizens.

Regarding Mahathir Muhammed, he was re-elected despite his age due to Malaysian people see the raise of corruption to alarming level under Najib Razak government. You might be right regarding cronyism, nepotism and racism.

 

[jstar]

The better eaxample would be Lee Kuan Yew.

Lee Kuan Yew …… has never face a challenge with Corruption, where corruption is a pandemic, rooted like culture.

Huh? You realize there is a shared history between Malaysia and Singapore?

I like some of his quotes.

Like:
A strong political leadership needs a neutral, efficient, honest civil service. Officers must be recruited and promoted completely on merit. They have to share the same nation-building philosophy and development goals of the political leaders. They must be adequately paid so that temptations would not be difficult to resist.

And…
…if you give aid to a corrupt government, the aid just trickles right down the drain… if you want to pull yourself up, you’ve got to do it by your bootstraps. Nobody can do it for you…

A CPIB which is fully supported by its own government can not be compared with a KPK that does not even get empowered by the DPR(D) btw

Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau Website

The Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB), an independent agency, is responsible for the investigation and prevention of corruption in Singapore....

www.cpib.gov.sg

 

[pantaiema]

Huh? You realize there is a shared history between Malaysia and Singapore?

I like some of his quotes.

Like:
A strong political leadership needs a neutral, efficient, honest civil service. Officers must be recruited and promoted completely on merit. They have to share the same nation-building philosophy and development goals of the political leaders. They must be adequately paid so that temptations would not be difficult to resist.

And…
…if you give aid to a corrupt government, the aid just trickles right down the drain… if you want to pull yourself up, you’ve got to do it by your bootstraps. Nobody can do it for you…

A CPIB which is fully supported by its own government can not be compared with a KPK that does not even get empowered by the DPR(D) btw

Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau Website

The Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB), an independent agency, is responsible for the investigation and prevention of corruption in Singapore....

www.cpib.gov.sg

From your link.

Singapore Ranked 5th Least Corrupt Country in Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index 2022

The Transparency International (TI) Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) 2022 has ranked Singapore the 5th least corrupt country in the world...

www.cpib.gov.sg

Singapore Ranked 5th Least Corrupt Country in Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index 2022, 31 JAN 2023.

So while Lee Kuan Yew is one of the example of successful model of a prominent Asian leader that have contributed significantly making Singapore one of the most prosperous countries in the world, he is not a good example of a leader who successfully fought the corruption as has never been put into that test. SG has never been in the situation where corruption is in alarming level.

 

[jstar]

Singapore has never faced a challenge where corruption is in alarming level.

I think you really need to catch up a bit on your history….

Read this for instance:

https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/PAP-04-2022-0037/full/pdf?title=lee-kuan-yews-role-in-minimising-corruption-in-singapore

And yes, from 1995 until now, Singapore has consistently been ranked as the least corrupt Asian country according to Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI). But it definitely wasn’t always like that. As any other ex-colony I might add. And after the colonial period the Japanese presence also cultivated this. And then they were ‘blessed’ with one of the most corrupt statesman, Lim Yew Hock.

Corruption was huge in Singapore because of many factors, including inadequate laws, unwillingness in the government, insufficient manpower in the enforcement and anti- corruption agency, great disparity in pay between the public and private sectors, lack of commitment amongst enforcement officers etc. Sounds like Indonesia, right?

I hope here it won’t take decennia to get a good CPI ranking.


NB. Don‘t see the use of mentioning the Suharto era, it has nothing to do with whether Singapore was corrupt or not. We are talking about the 50ies and 60ies here, while there was no CP Index yet. And Suharto was still commander in Central Java.

 

[pantaiema]

I think you really need to catch up a bit on your history….

Read this for instance:

https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/PAP-04-2022-0037/full/pdf?title=lee-kuan-yews-role-in-minimising-corruption-in-singapore

And yes, from 1995 until now, Singapore has consistently been ranked as the least corrupt Asian country according to Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI). But it definitely wasn’t always like that. As any other ex-colony I might add. And after the colonial period the Japanese presence also cultivated this. And then they were ‘blessed’ with one of the most corrupt statesman, Lim Yew Hock.

Corruption was huge in Singapore because of many factors, including inadequate laws, unwillingness in the government, insufficient manpower in the enforcement and anti- corruption agency, great disparity in pay between the public and private sectors, lack of commitment amongst enforcement officers etc. Sounds like Indonesia, right?

I hope here it won’t take decennia to get a good CPI ranking.

Yes SG was not like today the Singapore Ranked 5th Least Corrupt Country in Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index 2022, 31 JAN 2023. But it has never faced a challenge like Indonesia under Suharto regime, where Indonesia was either the Most Corrupt Country in the world or among the top ten most corrupt countries in the world.
Singapore has always been among the top least corrupt countries in the the world, on the list published by transparency International based on Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI). Corruption is everywhere, even until today you still see corruption exist in developed world.

This is the data in 1995 for instance, it could be observed CPI year by year from transparency international.
In 1995 (still under Suharto Regime) while Indonesia was the most corrupt country in the world, Singapore was still Top 10 least corrupt countries in the world.

https://files.transparencycdn.org/images/1995_CPI_EN.pdf

 

[Bob]

Is it true that all is well and forgiven if they gave zakat or sadaqa?

You know there are adherents of more than just one religion involved, right?

 

[Bob]

Really? I thought he was synonymous with corruption and croynism with a heavy dose of racism too.
The better eaxample would be Lee Kuan Yew.

LKY would certainly be a better example of eliminating corruption amongst the rank and file. Not so much for those at the top though.

 

[Dave70]

You know there are adherents of more than just one religion involved, right?

Yes, some have the same religion as me, and it's even simpler, just pray, confess your sin and ask for forgiveness. Voila! All is well and forgiven. But I don't believe in that because 1. how do I know God has really forgiven me as there is no direct confirmation from God, 2. I believe in karma.

 

[Bob]

Yes, some have the same religion as me, and it's even simpler, just pray, confess your sin and ask for forgiveness. Voila! All is well and forgiven. But I don't believe in that because 1. how do I know God has really forgiven me as there is no direct confirmation from God, 2. I believe in karma.

Sounds like it's not the same religion then but that's your business.

 

[snpark]

That's the Hollywood religion. I'm sorry I got caught

 

[jstar]

The detention of the regent Ben Brahim S Bahat and his wife Ary Egahni is currently hot in the news. Ben has been the Regent of Kapuas for two periods. His wife Ary had become a member of the DPR RI Nasdem Party Faction.

According to the Deputy Chairman of the KPK Johanis Tanak, both of them became suspects in the alleged corruption case of the Kapuas Regency Regional Work Units (SKPD) in Central Kalimantan. The amount mentioned is 8,7 billion rupiah.

Ben and Ary were kept in the KPK detention center after being interrogated by investigators. "For the need for investigation, the team detained their respective suspects for the first 20 days," said Johanis Tanak during a press conference yesterday at the KPK Building.

In good times….

And bad…

(Did he get a hair transplant?)


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Interesting article summing up corrupt couples….

https://nasional.kompas.com/read/20...-ditahan-kpk-ini-deretan-pasutri-yang-korupsi.

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