CIA Front Group Preparing A "Color Revolution" In Indonesia?

[centurion]

You mean, the "Manchurian candidate" is the best for Indonesia?

He is "our" Machurian candidate, groomed by the US. Maybe he will soften the ridiculous visa rules or improve the foreign investment regulations.

 

[centurion]

And you would like him to start on his fantastic idea of building 40 cities like Jakarta?

At least Baswedan acknowledges the existence of the systemic and endemic corruption, and calls out the white elephant projects. Not much about that from others. What are the others offering?

 

[centurion]

Don't forget the free gas for all.

Prabowo an kid offers free meals for all schoolkids. Somebody calculated it costs 28 billion USD/year. Good luck with that.

From all of these guys, Anies is the most sober.

 

[harryopal1]

Well, I guess so much is just hot air that makes them sound exciting during the campaign. And then after the dust is settled they just have to deal with a million things all requiring attention. Ahh well, there are the big limousines, overseas flights hither and thither and people queueing up to give money for their attention. I think the first rules once I were in power would be, "Don't wake me before 10 am and don't bring bad news."

 

[MamangDudul]

Well, if you see how things work here and in other countries, then you can assume that the one on the top is the biggest ...... of all.
This circus is always fun to watch, every few years the choice between bad and worse. And people still go at each others throat for this.

Personally Iam not too afraid when it comes to radicalism. Like I said, it's a give and take here. When I look at the people, luxury and a nice lifestyle are still the top priorities. As long as it stays that way it won't be too bad, at least in terms of radicalism. Just my opinion.

 

[Hawk256]

Prabowo an kid offers free meals for all schoolkids. Somebody calculated it costs 28 billion USD/year. Good luck with that.

From all of these guys, Anies is the most sober.

What are they planning on feeding them that would cost that much? That really seems like crazy number. *Edit I made a huge mistake with my orginal numbers. Would be better to know the specifics and then I can figure again. *Maybe it's not as off as I orginally thought. Hate figuring big numbers, add or remove 1 zero and the calculation goes to hell.

 

[John indonesia]

From all 3 candidate pairs, Anies is the best,

I would disagree.
Much as Anies often comes over very well, his old corruption cases might very well come back to bite him in the ass. That and he needs to answer questions about his involvement with a bunch of CIA front groups. Toss in a few accusations of racism and he comes over badly with me - but maybe not the locals.
Prabowo has a history that a lot won't like, especially his work in East Timur. I heard he was involved in the suppression of student protest in 98 as well (I don't really know). The other thing about him is he could be too strong/unpredictable/hot headed.
Ganjar comes over as a thinker, but I question his backbone. The bit where he had a go at Prabowo for buying second hand fighters was a stupid mistake. The French aircraft have a lot of advantages, one pointed out by the manufacturer - They give a lot more operational independence than buying aircraft from some other countries.
I saw a little of the debates and he always come over as looking for help when he spoke. Being president isn't the same as running a province.

I think the big thing here is not so much internal policy, but international politics. The US wants China limited in, or out of, Indonesia, but most of the local infrastructure is Chinese funded. Dumping the Chinese (as Anies looks like he wants) isn't going to be good for Indonesia. That's the other thing that makes me wonder if Anies is working for another country. Saying that, I have every confidence the Chinese are up to something on some level as well. I haven't seen any news on that one, but that doesn't mean they aren't doing it.

I'm glad I don't have to choose.

 

[centurion]

I would disagree.
Much as Anies often comes over very well, his old corruption cases might very well come back to bite him in the ass.

Nothing sticks on Anis till now.

From the other side there are Prabowo's food estate projects, thousands of hectares of forests from Orde Baru time, alleged kidnapping and execution of 1998 activists...and many more, Gibran's "venture capital funding" from conglomerates of his "successful" businesses, and Ganjar's name on list of e-KTP project bribery recepients.

Comparing to them, Anies looks like Mother Theresa, even taking in account his identity politics, and Jakarta administration and Ministry of Education mismanagment.

On the top of it, US connection is a positive thing, comparing to be a water carrier for communist China. He should get a medal for that, not to answer questions.

 

[Dave70]

On the top of it, US connection is a positive thing, comparing to be a water carrier for communist China. He should get a medal for that, not to answer questions.

Henry A. Kissinger Quote

To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal

www.azquotes.com

 

[Bob]

Nothing sticks on Anis till now.

From the other side there are Prabowo's food estate projects, thousands of hectares of forests from Orde Baru time, alleged kidnapping and execution of 1998 activists...and many more, Gibran's "venture capital funding" from conglomerates of his "successful" businesses, and Ganjar's name on list of e-KTP project bribery recepients.

Comparing to them, Anies looks like Mother Theresa, even taking in account his identity politics, and Jakarta administration and Ministry of Education mismanagment.

On the top of it, US connection is a positive thing, comparing to be a water carrier for communist China. He should get a medal for that, not to answer questions.

Is that Mother Theresa the public image or Mother Theresa as described by Christopher Hitchens?

 

[Bob]

I would disagree.
Much as Anies often comes over very well, his old corruption cases might very well come back to bite him in the ass. That and he needs to answer questions about his involvement with a bunch of CIA front groups. Toss in a few accusations of racism and he comes over badly with me - but maybe not the locals.
Prabowo has a history that a lot won't like, especially his work in East Timur. I heard he was involved in the suppression of student protest in 98 as well (I don't really know). The other thing about him is he could be too strong/unpredictable/hot headed.
Ganjar comes over as a thinker, but I question his backbone. The bit where he had a go at Prabowo for buying second hand fighters was a stupid mistake. The French aircraft have a lot of advantages, one pointed out by the manufacturer - They give a lot more operational independence than buying aircraft from some other countries.
I saw a little of the debates and he always come over as looking for help when he spoke. Being president isn't the same as running a province.

I think the big thing here is not so much internal policy, but international politics. The US wants China limited in, or out of, Indonesia, but most of the local infrastructure is Chinese funded. Dumping the Chinese (as Anies looks like he wants) isn't going to be good for Indonesia. That's the other thing that makes me wonder if Anies is working for another country. Saying that, I have every confidence the Chinese are up to something on some level as well. I haven't seen any news on that one, but that doesn't mean they aren't doing it.

I'm glad I don't have to choose.

Which bunch of groups are those CIA fronts?

 

[pantaiema]

I would disagree.
Much as Anies often comes over very well, his old corruption cases might very well come back to bite him in the ass. That and he needs to answer questions about his involvement with a bunch of CIA front groups. Toss in a few accusations of racism and he comes over badly with me - but maybe not the locals.
Prabowo has a history that a lot won't like, especially his work in East Timur. I heard he was involved in the suppression of student protest in 98 as well (I don't really know). The other thing about him is he could be too strong/unpredictable/hot headed.
Ganjar comes over as a thinker, but I question his backbone. The bit where he had a go at Prabowo for buying second hand fighters was a stupid mistake. The French aircraft have a lot of advantages, one pointed out by the manufacturer - They give a lot more operational independence than buying aircraft from some other countries.
I saw a little of the debates and he always come over as looking for help when he spoke. Being president isn't the same as running a province.

I think the big thing here is not so much internal policy, but international politics. The US wants China limited in, or out of, Indonesia, but most of the local infrastructure is Chinese funded. Dumping the Chinese (as Anies looks like he wants) isn't going to be good for Indonesia. That's the other thing that makes me wonder if Anies is working for another country. Saying that, I have every confidence the Chinese are up to something on some level as well. I haven't seen any news on that one, but that doesn't mean they aren't doing it.

I'm glad I don't have to choose.

There is a saying in politics that friends and enemies are not permanent, but rather, it is one's enduring interests that matter. Winston Churchill has echoed this sentiment for generations.

Being close to the rising superpower with the potential to become the largest economy in the world is nothing bad. Also I do not think the current Indonesian government is against the US and the rest of the West and favouring China. Keep in mind the Indonesian government keep sending and funding the bright Indonesian students to study at good universities in these countries.

Having two rich and powerful friends that you could choose at your own discretion at anytime is better than one. Just refer to the Japanese car and technology presence in Indonesia. After several decades of dominating the car industry in Indonesia, what technologies do they transfer to Indonesia? It is only after the Korean and Chinese cars start penetrating the Indonesian market it starts to change.

Also compare it with high-speed train technology from China.

China helps Indonesia hit the fast track

Chinese officials plan to transfer the technology to Indonesia to enable the nation to independently operate a high-speed railway system in coming years. To achieve this goal, China has trained more than 45,000 Indonesian personnel.

asianews.network

And you do not need permission to terminate a friendship with others at any time, do you?

 

[Bad_azz]

Every time this thread pops up in the forum my brain reads it as font group hehe.
It gets me every damn time & the colour revolution may be one thing but I want to know when there will be a bold and italic revolution too.

 

[serious_fun]

... I want to know when there will be a bold and italic revolution too.

When Helvetica freezes over.

 

[snpark]

When Helvetica freezes over.

Ah and then we will have Times New Roman

 

[Ruserious]

Somebody calculated it costs 28 billion USD/year

There are 50 million school kids and approx 240 school days per year. That makes it 36k idr per meal which seems high for Indonesia.

 

[Bob]

There are 50 million school kids and approx 240 school days per year. That makes it 36k idr per meal which seems high for Indonesia.

How much would it cost to administer a nationwide program though?

 

[snpark]

Cheaper to take them all to St Regis every Sunday and tell them eat up and get a doggy bag

 

[fastpitch17]

There are 50 million school kids and approx 240 school days per year. That makes it 36k idr per meal which seems high for Indonesia.

Don't forget to include all the lunch ladies. Cost of providing areas to administer lunches too. How many schools have cafeterias? I'm sure there will also be a few politicians with open pockets not to mention the ones who suddenly set up catering businesses and immediately get contracts to supply lunches. Totals always mount up with these grand ideas.

 

[Dave70]

Don't forget to include all the lunch ladies. Cost of providing areas to administer lunches too. How many schools have cafeterias?

No need for cafeterias, they get lunch boxes and eat it in their classrooms.