Bali is Having Serious Problems

Did you report all your overseas assets and revenues, and get it taxed in Indonesia, as required by the regulations?

If not, you are one of the free riders, same as retirees and nomads that, btw, are probably contributing to the local econoomy more than you are.
Not that it is any of your business, but I have complied with all my tax obligations. And anyway, why would you call anyone who pays income tax on their employment in Indonesia a free rider?
 
Not that it is any of your business, but I have complied with all my tax obligations. And anyway, why would you call anyone who pays income tax on their employment in Indonesia a free rider?

if NOT
meaning if you DIDN'T pay tax
 
Not that it is any of your business, but I have complied with all my tax obligations. And anyway, why would you call anyone who pays income tax on their employment in Indonesia a free rider?
You or anybody elso do not pay tax on your salary. Employer does in employee's name. And in 99,9% all these foreigners do not report their overseas income, companies, pensions etc, all taxable in Indonesia btw. That makes them free riders. Paying few millions of taxes per year and eating in local warung makes them thinking they are great contributors with a high moral ground.

When Russian tycoon tanks his yacht in Bali with 20-50 tons of fuel he makes bigger contribution in one day than a random foreigner for a year, That is how it is.
 
if NOT
meaning if you DIDN'T pay tax
But I previously wrote in post #11 that I did pay income tax... So I guess one has to prove 100% perfect tax compliance in every aspect of life here not to be a free rider? I'd reckon no one in Indonesia is that perfect..
 
You or anybody elso do not pay tax on your salary. Employer does in employee's name. And in 99,9% all these foreigners do not report their overseas income, companies, pensions etc, all taxable in Indonesia btw. That makes them free riders. Paying few millions of taxes per year and eating in local warung makes them thinking they are great contributors with a high moral ground.

When Russian tycoon tanks his yacht in Bali with 20-50 tons of fuel he makes bigger contribution in one day than a random foreigner for a year, That is how it is.
Wrong. My agreed salary is deducted to pay my income tax, so I received only a lesser amount net of tax.

Btw, who is taking the high moral ground if not you? I simply observed that people who receive the economic benefit of foreigners living here permanently on social visit passes shouldn't then complain about the social ills that some of these foreigners create.
 
Im curious if snpark (who previously stated he paid a bit of tax so felt it was enough) and has significant income from property in Bali is paying the tax on that or is what centurion calls " a free rider".
 
When Russian tycoon tanks his yacht in Bali with 20-50 tons of fuel he makes bigger contribution in one day than a random foreigner for a year, That is how it is.

Yes but that is the 0.001% or less. What about the others? How about the russians running motorbike rentals which i suspect is not an approved foreign owned business and is in direct competition with the local Balinese.

Also what about the digital nomads who are often very cheap and spending hardly anything - which is why they chose Bali in the first place. Are they contributing with paying no tax and spending little? There are thousands and thousands of them.
 
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Im curious if snpark (who previously stated he paid a bit of tax so felt it was enough) and has significant income from property in Bali is paying the tax on that or is what centurion calls " a free rider".



Well unfortunately just like Cheeto over the pond, I also don't actually take my income

It's reinvested into the company to fund the construction of the other projects.

In fact the best way to do it is take a loan from the company and let my "income" be for the loan repayments

Anyway is it income or return of the original investment that I lent them?
 
You or anybody elso do not pay tax on your salary. Employer does in employee's name. And in 99,9% all these foreigners do not report their overseas income, companies, pensions etc, all taxable in Indonesia btw. That makes them free riders. Paying few millions of taxes per year and eating in local warung makes them thinking they are great contributors with a high moral ground.

When Russian tycoon tanks his yacht in Bali with 20-50 tons of fuel he makes bigger contribution in one day than a random foreigner for a year, That is how it is.
Me being here means that my wife gets to employ 25 Indonesians full time and has so for the past 15 years or so and will contiue to do so. I don't do anything but me being here means that my wife does. Does that make me a freeloader too?
 
Two thirds of Bali's GDP is coming from tourism (directly, and indirectly). They were crying during covid.
And very happy with the "poor pensioners" who decided to continue to live here and spend money.
Keeping restaurants working, so they continued to buy vegetables and meat from.local producers, who then had money to pay their staff, etc...

And this media blown up stories about Russians is laughable. These people spend a lot of money here.

Personally, Bali is the only place I would live in Indonesia. Cities with mega pollution, no thank you...And the lovely local kampung, well you know what I think about it !
 
And very happy with the "poor pensioners" who decided to continue to live here and spend money.
Keeping restaurants working, so they continued to buy vegetables and meat from.local producers, who then had money to pay their staff, etc...

And this media blown up stories about Russians is laughable. These people spend a lot of money here.

Personally, Bali is the only place I would live in Indonesia. Cities with mega pollution, no thank you...And the lovely local kampung, well you know what I think about it !
When I saw the traffic in Bali last time I got doubts about no pollution, it was terrible on some days. Then again, yeah compared to megacities like Jakarta, especially the hot spots, it's something else of course. From my experience. For having a western lifestyle Bali is probably still the number 1 choice here in Indonesia, but there are surely more relaxed places for living. Bali by now is not the only place in Indonesia with beach resort apartments or other nice living places. And again, when I see the people per square mile and traffic these days then I can't help but being happy that I don't live there. Wouldn't want to live in Jakarta or a jungle kampung either. Yeah pro and cons for everything. I get why people choose Bali but it's not really for me, except for a few days visiting family or so.
 
While Bali is one place I would never move to and have no desire to even visit again, I am sure while there are areas with serious problems, there are also areas that are really nice and would be comfortable to live in.

I just feel that putting so much dependency on tourism can lead to problems. With having a Tourism Minister that keeps saying more and more no matter where you come from, no matter who you are, and no matter your intentions, I can understand residents being concerned. Right now that Minister is out saying, hey tourist, you better not work on a tourist visa but it seems to be just words that fit with the current wind of complaints. I haven't heard of much enforcement.

Wasn't it this current administration and the current tourism minister proclaiming 10 new Balis? We all knew they couldn't do it but have they done anything? Krue was on the list. Now, 2 international surfing competitions a year. Certainly an increase of Australian surfers year round now since the once secret surf area for Australians became more public. Still, not a hotel built in the immediate area. All still surf camps with high prices. Beach front property jumping to 1 million dollars per 100 x 300 meter lots. Had an air port for years already. Small planes only. Someone has converted a house and call it a resort for families. 9 just per week and only weekly rentals. Finding a beer can take some effort but not impossible. Tourist and locals get along fine but there isn't a tourist every time you turn around. Beautiful area though.
 
Well unfortunately just like Cheeto over the pond, I also don't actually take my income

It's reinvested into the company to fund the construction of the other projects.

In fact the best way to do it is take a loan from the company and let my "income" be for the loan repayments

Anyway is it income or return of the original investment that I lent them?
If paid 10% on rent, job is done.
 
Me being here means that my wife gets to employ 25 Indonesians full time and has so for the past 15 years or so and will contiue to do so. I don't do anything but me being here means that my wife does. Does that make me a freeloader too?
If you are 15 years on your spouse support....
 
Also what about the digital nomads who are often very cheap and spending hardly anything - which is why they chose Bali in the first place. Are they contributing with paying no tax and spending little? There are thousands and thousands of them.
@snpark said he rents kos for 1.000$/month. That is hardly nothing, and these nomads eat, drink, goaround, rent cars, bikes...per nomad you get 2-3.000$ a month for the economy.
 
Wrong. My agreed salary is deducted to pay my income tax, so I received only a lesser amount net of tax.
Employer deducts the tax and pay in employee's name (there is no consensual element here).

Everyone who does not report his/hers worldwide income (foreign salaries, gains, pensions, fees etc) and assets is a free rider in Indonesian in some sense.
 
Everyone who does not report his/hers worldwide income (foreign salaries, gains, pensions, fees etc) and assets is a free rider in Indonesian in some sense.
Except if there a bilateral non-double taxation agreement between Indonesia and your country of origin, and you pay already revenue tax there.
 
Employer deducts the tax and pay in employee's name (there is no consensual element here).

Everyone who does not report his/hers worldwide income (foreign salaries, gains, pensions, fees etc) and assets is a free rider in Indonesian in some sense.

No. Why? You only report it if you have to. If it's non taxable here why do I need to report it

Of course anything taxable here I report. But I don't pay tax here on my savings in the UK. I pay tax there. They tax the interest
And I paid on the original income also when I earnt it. Then what I managed to save, they tax it again
 
No. Why? You only report it if you have to. If it's non taxable here why do I need to report it

Of course anything taxable here I report. But I don't pay tax here on my savings in the UK. I pay tax there. They tax the interest
And I paid on the original income also when I earnt it. Then what I managed to save, they tax it again
Another free rider.
 

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