An El Niño year…. 🌞

[Samoerai]

Melting glaciers in Greenland could block warm ocean currents at an accelerated rate, with major consequences for the global climate, 26 July 2023

Danish scientists believe they see the signs of a drastic consequence of climate change: the cessation of the ocean current that supplies Europe with heat. An event that will, among other things, lead to different precipitation patterns.
This could lead to an abrupt cooling of the regional climate, especially in Western Europe and North America, as early as 2025.

That's why I move to Indonesia

 

[flavus]

Melting glaciers in Greenland could block warm ocean currents at an accelerated rate, with major consequences for the global climate, 26 July 2023

Danish scientists believe they see the signs of a drastic consequence of climate change: the cessation of the ocean current that supplies Europe with heat. An event that will, among other things, lead to different precipitation patterns.
This could lead to an abrupt cooling of the regional climate, especially in Western Europe and North America, as early as 2025.

That's why I move to Indonesia

If the Gulf Stream stops, the UK (and coastal Western Europe) will get really cold... and their heating bill is already high now. Ouch.

And sea levels on the US Atlantic Coast will rise.

That's why I live far from the coast

Gulf Stream could collapse as early as 2025, study suggests

A collapse would bring catastrophic climate impacts but scientists disagree over the new analysis

www.theguardian.com

 

[Samoerai]

If the Gulf Stream stops, the UK (and coastal Western Europe) will get really cold... and their heating bill is already high now. Ouch.

And sea levels on the US Atlantic Coast will rise.

That's why I live far from the coast

Gulf Stream could collapse as early as 2025, study suggests

A collapse would bring catastrophic climate impacts but scientists disagree over the new analysis

www.theguardian.com

Also interesting read about tipping points ...

World on brink of five ‘disastrous’ climate tipping points, study finds

Giant ice sheets, ocean currents and permafrost regions may already have passed point of irreversible change

www.theguardian.com

 

[flavus]

YAlso interesting read about tipping points ...

World on brink of five ‘disastrous’ climate tipping points, study finds

Giant ice sheets, ocean currents and permafrost regions may already have passed point of irreversible change

www.theguardian.com

Yeah. The West Atlantic ice shelf is scary as F

 

[fastpitch17]

And not a damn thing we can do to stop it. Prepare for it, yes. Stop it, no.

Imagine the billions of dollars spent to study it and pay people to speak about it. Those dollars could have been better used to prepare for it.

All those people touting, we can stop this when we have known for decades that it was coming. I learned about it in 72-73 before people started pointing fingers at the human race.

 

[Samoerai]

If the Gulf Stream stops, the UK (and coastal Western Europe) will get really cold...

Fact or fiction
Anyone who thinks they have heard this scenario before, could be right. The 2004 film The Day After Tomorrow, starring Hollywood star Jake Gyllenhaal, has a similar plot. A sudden drop in ocean temperatures causes an abrupt and extreme weather reversal. New York turns into an ice field and Europe is covered by dozens of meters of snow. Time will tell.

 

[flavus]

Fact or fiction
Anyone who thinks they have heard this scenario before, could be right. The 2004 film The Day After Tomorrow, starring Hollywood star Jake Gyllenhaal, has a similar plot. A sudden drop in ocean temperatures causes an abrupt and extreme weather reversal. New York turns into an ice field and Europe is covered by dozens of meters of snow. Time will tell.

Yeah... good sci-fi disaster movies tend to have good science consultants. And Day after Tomorrow... does not

The Day After Tomorrow: A Scientific Critique

The 2004 film The Day After Tomorrow, in which global warming leads to a new ice age, has been vigorously criticized by climate scientists. Why is this? What mistakes in the film led Dr. Andrew Wea…

climatesight.org

Projections do show the UK will get colder if AMOC stops instead of getting warmer. Maybe not really cold so I was exaggerating a bit

Modeling what would happen to the UK if the Gulf Stream shuts down

A new study compares climate warming to climate warming + a tipping point.

arstechnica.com

Things are quite a bit different if the AMOC shuts down. Rather than rising, temperatures would actually drop by an average of 3.4°C. That drop would occur on a gradient, with northern Scotland cooling the most and southern England seeing the least impact and therefore seeing conditions similar to what it currently experiences.

 

[Samoerai]

The head of the Meteorology, Climatology and Geophysics Agency revealed that the El Nino phenomenon that occurred made this year's dry season drier and rainfall in the low to very low category. If rainfall is usually around 20 mm per day, he said, then in the dry season this figure becomes once a month or even no rain at all.

The peak of the dry season in Indonesia is predicted to occur in August to early September with conditions that will be much drier than in 2020, 2021 and 2022.

BMKG : Waspada ! Pertanian Jadi Sektor Paling Terdampak Perubahan Iklim - Siaran Pers - BMKG

PURWOREJO (1 Agustus 2023) – Kepala Badan Meteorologi, Klimatologi, dan Geofisika (BMKG) Dwikorita Karnawati menyebut bahwa pertanian merupakan sektor yang mengalami dampak paling serius akibat Perubahan iklim.

www.bmkg.go.id

 

[ChrisTex]

109 F(42+ C) the last two days at 5pm in the Dallas area. Funny thing is, coming from Jakarta, it doesn't feel too bad.

 

[flavus]

State of emergency and evacuations in British Columbia. I was in Vancouver in May and was surprised to hear news of out of control forest fires in neighboring Alberta - before summer even started! - the smoke fire blanketing Quebec, northeastern USA, and intermittently even the US midwest, followed a bit later

Canada wildfires: British Columbia declares emergency as 15,000 homes told to evacuate

About 15,000 households are told to evacuate in British Columbia, which has declared a province-wide emergency.

www.bbc.com

 

[Samoerai]

The head of the Meteorology, Climatology and Geophysics Agency revealed that the El Nino phenomenon that occurred made this year's dry season drier and rainfall in the low to very low category. If rainfall is usually around 20 mm per day, he said, then in the dry season this figure becomes once a month or even no rain at all.

The peak of the dry season in Indonesia is predicted to occur in August to early September with conditions that will be much drier than in 2020, 2021 and 2022.

BMKG : Waspada ! Pertanian Jadi Sektor Paling Terdampak Perubahan Iklim - Siaran Pers - BMKG

PURWOREJO (1 Agustus 2023) – Kepala Badan Meteorologi, Klimatologi, dan Geofisika (BMKG) Dwikorita Karnawati menyebut bahwa pertanian merupakan sektor yang mengalami dampak paling serius akibat Perubahan iklim.

www.bmkg.go.id

Today in the news (NOS) in The Netherlands(!), 28 aug 2023

Indonesian paddy fields are drying out due to climate change, rice is more expensive
All the result of climate phenomenon El Niño.

And according to him, El Niño is now more common than usual. "We called it a phenomenon that happened every 20 years. But now it happens once every six or seven years. And the phenomenon is also drier and hotter than normal." It is mainly the heat that has a major effect on rice cultivation.
Indonesia is now in the peak of the dry season. The current drought will last until at least early October. This causes major problems for rice cultivation. The country is the fourth largest rice producer in the world. But it hardly exports. With 140 kilos per year, the Indonesian is also the largest rice eater in the world. So the rice mainly stays in its own country.

But if the rice crops continue to fail, Indonesia will have to import. The problem is that the two largest rice exporters also have to deal with climate problems. There is a drought in Thailand and after floods India has limited the export of rice. According to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN, the price of rice rose by 3 percent in July to the highest price in twelve years.

And now that Indonesia also has to enter the world market, those prices will only increase further.

 

[serious_fun]

State of emergency and evacuations in British Columbia.

ja, horrible.

 

[fastpitch17]

20 or so years ago Indonesians were not as great of rice consumers. Other starches intertwined their starch demands such as cassava and potatoes. They need to seriously start to go back to their earlier practices.

 

[fastpitch17]

ja, horrible.

Someone should start associating all this smoke occuring from climate change to just what is feeding these changes. Nature and natural occurrences contribute greatly to the changes we are experiencing today. Add some volcanoes erupting and the atmosphere will naturally be affected. Forest fires clear the natural ground growth which if near water sources contribute to more flooding. Wildlife is lost too.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

The peak of the dry season in Indonesia is predicted to occur in August to early September with conditions that will be much drier than in 2020, 2021 and 2022.

BMKG : Waspada ! Pertanian Jadi Sektor Paling Terdampak Perubahan Iklim - Siaran Pers - BMKG

PURWOREJO (1 Agustus 2023) – Kepala Badan Meteorologi, Klimatologi, dan Geofisika (BMKG) Dwikorita Karnawati menyebut bahwa pertanian merupakan sektor yang mengalami dampak paling serius akibat Perubahan iklim.

www.bmkg.go.id

I remember 2018, no rain at all for 5 months and the wells were drying up. I don't think this year seems so bad. It rained last night for a start.

 

[fastpitch17]

I remember 2018, no rain at all for 5 months and the wells were drying up. I don't think this year seems so bad. It rained last night for a start.

I remember 2018. Thought something wrong with pump. Had a few over to check it out and each one fixed something only to have the same problem the next day. No one bothered to tell me that it was happening everywhere and was nature doing the bad deed. They got paid.

So far, the past 2 months have been pretty dry in Bandar Lampung. Only one maybe 5 minute sprinkle. Most days we see dark clouds move over us but they haven't produced any rain. A little north of here I understand to be quite a bit dryer and fields are not being fed much through irrigation. West and the paddies are suffering.

 

[serious_fun]

This .pdf may be of interest:

World Climate Declaration

 

[Bob]

This .pdf may be of interest:

World Climate Declaration

That's pretty light on data and long on the signatory list, and a lot of the signatories' credentials aren't very impressive. And I'm sceptical of man-made global warming and very sceptical of the EV craze.

 

[Samoerai]

remember 2018. Thought something wrong with pump. Had a few over to check it out and each one fixed something only to have the same problem the next day. No one bothered to tell me that it was happening everywhere and was nature doing the bad deed. They got paid.

yes, that's my point a couple of days ago in another thread .. here in Indonesia people don't trust eachother .. this only feeds to this behaviour / condition.

 

[serious_fun]

That's pretty light on data and long on the signatory list, and a lot of the signatories' credentials aren't very impressive. And I'm sceptical of man-made global warming and very sceptical of the EV crazy.

I suppose so, but it was a declaration rather than a research paper.

As you know, the official narrative is very difficult to go against for those in high profile positions (remember what happened to those who wanted objectivity during the "covid" operation?) Methinks that there are countless individuals who aren't willing to stand up and then lose a lucrative position or funding.