Air traffic controllers warn of collision risks at Soekarno-Hatta.

[Vanhelsing]

The Indonesian Air Traffic Controllers Association (IATCA) complained on Wednesday about the decision by state-run air navigation company AirNav to regularly allow 84 take-offs and landings an hour at the airport, as occurred recently during the Hari Raya Puasa exodus last month.

.... it also violates Transportation Ministerial Instruction No. 8/2016, which caps the use of the airport's runways at 74 aircraft per hour and four irregular flights for emergencies.

Air traffic controllers had to order a Garuda flight to abort its landing as there was still a Sriwijaya Air aircraft on the runway that had earlier aborted its take-off.

Last year, two Lion Air planes collided on the ground at Soekarno-Hatta airport, fortunately no injuries reported.

Mr Andre suspected the soaring traffic may be a result of airlines bending regulations to add more flights beyond their approved slots.

Full article http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...arn-of-collision-risks-as-flight-volumes-rise

 

[waarmstrong]

I feel better about flying out of Halim next week.

 

[Daniel50]

I am not sure how other airports handle traffic but if they are breaking their rules for # of aircraft per hour that is not good. If the controllers are speaking up they must be concerned. If there was an accident it may be covered up. Those are some of the problems with life in Indonesia. Rules being made to be bent if the price is right, lack of maintenance, safety standards and oversight.

 

[Davita]

Air Traffic Control (ATC) structures a segmented procedure to control aircraft, whether in the sky or on the ground, and each segment is handled by different controllers. So it isn't just at the airports that Indonesia lacks control....the whole structure of Indonesian ATC is creaking under the expansion of the commercial airline industry, due to demand, and a lack of a matching expansion of ATC management, controller training and equipment.
Most countries that suffer similar technical knowledge restrictions invite developed nations to assist while they gain more experience and management techniques. Indonesia is so xenophobic and rejects foreign help they have to make their own same mistakes many others have made before they get the message...it thus becomes 'a time and place' waiting for a serious accident to happen before any reaction. The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) then have to step in ...as happened before.

 

[fastpitch17]

No problem air travelers. The problem has been fixed. All complaining Air Traffic Controlers have been transferred. Now you can rest easily.

 

[waarmstrong]

I am not sure how other airports handle traffic but if they are breaking their rules for # of aircraft per hour that is not good. If the controllers are speaking up they must be concerned. If there was an accident it may be covered up. Those are some of the problems with life in Indonesia. Rules being made to be bent if the price is right, lack of maintenance, safety standards and oversight.

Don't disagree, but am wondering how does one cover up an airplane crash?

 

[Daniel50]

Don't disagree, but am wondering how does one cover up an airplane crash?

I was thinking blame error on air traffic controllers instead of violation of 'Transport Ministerial Instruction i.e. 74 aircraft per hour and 4 irregular flights for emergencies'.

 

[Davita]

Don't disagree, but am wondering how does one cover up an airplane crash?

Out of all accidents/incidents in any public transport, in any country, I doubt if any are more scrutenized than aircraft accidents.
I've personally attended one aircraft accident review board as an expert witness, and another as a member of a judicial review, and can attest to the facts that nothing is covered-up.
Reviews take time and are subject to a professional approach, not emotional, which of course is an element when people die. The results are declared and it is then up to political authorities, not only in Indonesia but everywhere else, to decide what to do with the results.

That, maybe, is when a cover-up is attempted.
We can all recall MH370...which is still missing. I know I'm boring the ass out of this story but it is a classic example of political cover-up. Evidence shows the Malaysian Authorities knew well the A/C had turned back over Malaysia travelling west...and yet sent all the rescue people on a wild goose chase east, into the ocean, off South Vietnam.

 

[Daniel50]

Reviews take time and are subject to a professional approach, not emotional, which of course is an element when people die. The results are declared and it is then up to political authorities, not only in Indonesia but everywhere else, to decide what to do with the results.

That, maybe, is when a cover-up is attempted.
We can all recall MH370...which is still missing. I know I'm boring the ass out of this story but it is a classic example of political cover-up. Evidence shows the Malaysian Authorities knew well the A/C had turned back over Malaysia travelling west...and yet sent all the rescue people on a wild goose chase east, into the ocean, off South Vietnam.

I realize you don't know but in your opinion what are some possibilities of why Malaysian Authorities took that approach? As you indicated the facts were certainly scrutinized yet the presentation was muddled/unclear/uncertain.

 

[Davita]

Re; post No. 9
It's my opinion that the Malaysian Gov't decided at the outset, to save their ass, and blame anyone else for causing an accident to their airline.
This nationalistic fervour was obvious from every spokesperson before even knowing what had happened...very characteristic of Malays and Indonesians.
Western analysts were ultimately procured when the Malaysian Gov't was 'out of its depths' with its ability and, correctly, handed over the search to the Australians.
The situation is now one of recovery but the impetus, at the front end, is lost.
BTW the Malaysian Gov't promised a report by the end of 2017...I doubt if that will happen.
The reality is no-one knows. It's easy for me to suggest what went wrong with the Malaysian ATC system but that isn't reliable nor understands what happened. Eventually the truth will emerge....I hope I live long enough to learn.

 

[Anglian]

Out of all accidents/incidents in any public transport, in any country, I doubt if any are more scrutenized than aircraft accidents.
I've personally attended one aircraft accident review board as an expert witness, and another as a member of a judicial review, and can attest to the facts that nothing is covered-up.
Reviews take time and are subject to a professional approach, not emotional, which of course is an element when people die. The results are declared and it is then up to political authorities, not only in Indonesia but everywhere else, to decide what to do with the results.

That, maybe, is when a cover-up is attempted.
We can all recall MH370...which is still missing. I know I'm boring the ass out of this story but it is a classic example of political cover-up. Evidence shows the Malaysian Authorities knew well the A/C had turned back over Malaysia travelling west...and yet sent all the rescue people on a wild goose chase east, into the ocean, off South Vietnam.

I agree Dave, when politics become involved cover ups occur, Concorde is an example